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Iran Declares War
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sundubuman



Joined: 04 Feb 2003
Location: seoul

PostPosted: Fri May 12, 2006 5:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

another thing not being pointed out by the media....


Iran saw itself as "victorious" against the US in the hostage crisis.

What they were victorious against was Jimmy Idiotarian Carter. They wisely agreed to release the hostages after Reagan's election. These aren't idiots we're dealing with.

They are not like Saddam's defeated and caged Iraq.

They have swagger, and they support terror, they want to destroy Israel. Good thing they are sandwiched.

Let's just hope the saner heads in Tehran rise up and depose this madman, before all hell breaks lose.
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Nowhere Man



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PostPosted: Fri May 12, 2006 6:43 am    Post subject: ... Reply with quote

Thanks, Joo.

It's some kind of magic night on here.

Bottom line: I don't think you can parse people down based on religion.

Kuros,

Fair enough. Was I using the quote inappropriately?
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sundubuman



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PostPosted: Fri May 12, 2006 7:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

for what it's worth....."Iran" is not really a united people as is Korea. It's a smorgasbord of competing and oftentimes hostile ethnic groups.....maybe that's why the leaders try to use religion so fervently....

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/0b/Iran_peoples.jpg
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Bulsajo



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PostPosted: Fri May 12, 2006 7:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

sundubuman wrote:

What they were victorious against was Jimmy Idiotarian Carter. They wisely agreed to release the hostages after Reagan's election. These aren't idiots we're dealing with.

And then they turned around and duped Idiotarian Reagan too.
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Gardimus



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PostPosted: Fri May 12, 2006 9:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It was pretty cool how in the 90s Iran was well on its way to becoming a moderate Islamic nation. Then of course the US invaded Iraq and gave every arab a boner for militant extreamists. What can you do?
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bucheon bum



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PostPosted: Fri May 12, 2006 9:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

good point there. (in reference to bulsajo)

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On the other hand



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PostPosted: Fri May 12, 2006 10:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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What they were victorious against was Jimmy Idiotarian Carter.


Sundub:

What do you think Jimmy Carter should have done to get the hostages out?
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Bulsajo



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PostPosted: Fri May 12, 2006 10:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gardimus wrote:
It was pretty cool how in the 90s Iran was well on its way to becoming a moderate Islamic nation.

I think picking up a copy of Robert Baer's See No Evil might change your mind on that account.
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Then of course the US invaded Iraq and gave every arab a boner for militant extreamists. What can you do?


And do you REALLY see the present Iranian leadership as being a direct result of US actions in Iraq?!? Confused
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee



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PostPosted: Sat May 13, 2006 1:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gardimus wrote:
It was pretty cool how in the 90s Iran was well on its way to becoming a moderate Islamic nation. Then of course the US invaded Iraq and gave every arab a boner for militant extreamists. What can you do?



You mean Ali Khamani would have allowed a moderate to become president were it not for the US invasion of Iraq?
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ddeubel



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PostPosted: Sat May 13, 2006 4:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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And do you REALLY see the present Iranian leadership as being a direct result of US actions in Iraq?!?


I do. Especially since if you walk around Tehran you will see enough one legged, no legged guys begging to make the point clear. U.S. arms and military assistance in the iraqi war is what I mean. It would be more than enough to confirm the U.S. as the "great Satan", if I had a kid forced to go to battle against an enemy supported and abetted by the pocket book and profit (military) mongering of the U. S. of A. Anyone got a good photo of Rumsfeld shaking Saddam's hand to flash????? Oh found one...



DD

More later.......Joo, keep whipping up the war rhetoric!!!! Yeah, Al Qaeda is an "offensive" movement but also don't make it into anything but some wackos shouting out. Islam is not made of this stuff, unless it is reacting with a hardon to U. S. actions which totally disregard the integrity of other cultures to run their own affairs and make and think in their own way....
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Bulsajo



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PostPosted: Sat May 13, 2006 4:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ddeubel wrote:
U.S. arms and military assistance in the iraqi war is what I mean.

You've picked one selective point in a very long "he said, she said" chain of events...
I say "Would the US have given assistance to Iraq if not for the hostage crisis?"
And then you say "But, but- SAVAK!!!!!"
If it goes on long enough, eventually we'll discuss Saudi, Russia, Lebanon, etc.
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sundubuman



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PostPosted: Sat May 13, 2006 5:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

On the other hand wrote:
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What they were victorious against was Jimmy Idiotarian Carter.


Sundub:

What do you think Jimmy Carter should have done to get the hostages out?


He should have stated unequivocally that takeing American embassy staff hostage was an act of war, and that if they weren't released within 72 hours that the US would declare war and drop a nuclear bomb on Tehran and destroy Iran.

That's what he SHOULD have done.
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ddeubel



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PostPosted: Sat May 13, 2006 5:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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He should have stated unequivocally that takeing American embassy staff hostage was an act of war, and that if they weren't released within 72 hours that the US would declare war and drop a nuclear bomb on Tehran and destroy Iran.

That's what he SHOULD have done.


Thank you for stating so truthfully and pointedly why the rest of the world doesn't think highly of America (the righteous) and why it is so similiar to Iran. I am sure your thinking , bigoted and erroneous, is the thinking of the vast majority of beer swilling, freedom loving, belching and credit card slaveholding Americans.

Couldn't have said it better. God help us. Go out and watch another Fighting club video -- oh no, you guys prefer to stay at home where the food bucket is close at hand.

DD

DD
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On the other hand



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PostPosted: Sat May 13, 2006 5:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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On the other hand wrote:
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What they were victorious against was Jimmy Idiotarian Carter.


Sundub:

What do you think Jimmy Carter should have done to get the hostages out?


He should have stated unequivocally that takeing American embassy staff hostage was an act of war, and that if they weren't released within 72 hours that the US would declare war and drop a nuclear bomb on Tehran and destroy Iran.

That's what he SHOULD have done.


And if the Iranians call his bluff, then what? Drop the bomb on Tehran and hope that the hostages get out alive?
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Ya-ta Boy



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PostPosted: Sat May 13, 2006 6:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Personally, I think it's the height of wisdom anytime hostages are taken to kill all of them along with all of the hostage takers. It sends a great message to potential hostage takers. I'm not quite sure what that message is, but I'm sure it's a great message.

I've always enjoyed the irony that Reagan was elected by the Iranians. I think it shows just how fuzzy the concept of 'sovereignty' is. It also calls into question the patriotism of conservatives, but then conservatives don't seem to care what foreigners think except when it comes to serving the foreign countries' agenda.
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