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igotthisguitar

Joined: 08 Apr 2003 Location: South Korea (Permanent Vacation)
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Posted: Sun May 14, 2006 1:22 am Post subject: Opposition Grows to US-Canada Border Passport Plan |
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Opposition Grows to US-Canada Border Passport Plan
Sat May 13, 05:34 PM EST
By David Ortiz
NEWPORT, Rhode Island (Reuters) - Five Canadian provinces and six Northeast U.S. states agreed on Saturday to fight U.S. legislation that would require passports or "sophisticated" ID cards to enter the United States from Canada.
The new rules to take effect from 2008 -- aimed at tightening security after the September 11 attacks -- would create a bureaucratic nightmare, damage trade and shake up border life, said the U.S. states and Canadian provinces.
"The impact would just be devastating," Quebec Premier Jean Charest told the annual Conference of New England Governors and Eastern Canadian Premiers.
"This needs further thought before it's implemented. We need to bring a real sense of urgency to this," he said.
Porous in vast stretches and often invisible, America's 5,500-mile border with Canada is drawing closer scrutiny after President Bush, Mexican President Vicente Fox and Canadian Prime Minister Stephen Harper agreed in March to work together on border security.
Residents in some towns on the world's longest undefended border have long entered the United States with little more than a wave of a hand or a flash of a driver's license.
Under rules written by the U.S. State and Homeland Security departments designed to implement legislation passed by Congress in 2004, passports or credit card-sized PASS cards with biometric features will be required for anyone crossing into the United States from Canada by land starting on January 1, 2008.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biometrics
Senior officials from the five Canadian provinces and U.S. border states said the rules could drive a wedge between border communities that are culturally and economically entwined, and strain the world's biggest trading relationship by slowing the $1.1 billion in trade flowing each day across the border.
More than 300,000 people travel between the United States and Canada each day. Only about 20 percent of U.S. citizens and 40 percent of Canadians hold passports, which cost nearly $100. The PASS cards would cost about half that price.
In a draft statement released at the end of the two-day conference, the governors or senior officials from Connecticut, Rhode Island, Maine, Massachusetts, Vermont and New Hampshire, and the premiers of Quebec, Nova Scotia, New Brunswick, Newfoundland and Prince Edward Island said they would urge the U.S. Congress to delay implementation of the law.
They also agreed to explore other options that would have less negative economic and social impact. Only two states sent governors, although all sent representatives to the conference. Four of the five Canadian provinces sent premiers.
Vermont Gov. James Douglas said the new regulations would make daily life much more difficult along the border where children have long played sports in both countries.
Rhode Island Gov. Donald Carcieri said: "We shouldn't be thickening the border, what we should be doing is working together, the two nations, to protect North America."
"I think a lot of Americans don't fully understand or appreciate what is at stake here," he said |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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Posted: Sun May 14, 2006 3:49 am Post subject: |
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Yeah, but who/what are the people of the US going to blame if a terrorist makes it successfully from Canada into the US? Its a tough situation. I lived in Maine so its not like Im greeting this passport situation with glee, but its not like the border is being sealed. |
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Tiger Beer

Joined: 07 Feb 2003
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Posted: Sun May 14, 2006 5:13 am Post subject: Re: Opposition Grows to US-Canada Border Passport Plan |
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article wrote: |
Residents in some towns on the world's longest undefended border have long entered the United States with little more than a wave of a hand or a flash of a driver's license. |
So true.. done it many times from Michigan into Ontario and back.
However, I don't see whats the big fuss.. flashing a passport instead of a drivers license.. who cares.
Can people be that incredibly lazy to take a passport photo, write a check and mail in an application for a passport? It should be more excitement if you've never had one..
Why does it equate into some impossible chore that means they will never ever take the drive over ever again.  |
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plattwaz
Joined: 08 Apr 2005 Location: <Write something dumb here>
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Posted: Sun May 14, 2006 5:54 am Post subject: Re: Opposition Grows to US-Canada Border Passport Plan |
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Tiger Beer wrote: |
Can people be that incredibly lazy to take a passport photo, write a check and mail in an application for a passport? It should be more excitement if you've never had one..
Why does it equate into some impossible chore that means they will never ever take the drive over ever again.  |
I think it's more the cost of a passport rather than being lazy. A lot of the population where I live simple can't afford the extra $150 that getting a passport ends up costing (photos, courier fees, passport fee, etc).
There's a good point about kids playing sports too -- every sports team I played in as a child was a league that included US teams, or at least we played US teams regularly in tournaments. Plus, even in elementary school we had 2 or 3 tournaments that were over the border. In a rural area where there just isn't the population to draw from for sports teams (on BOTH sides of the border), it adds to recreational life.
I'm not saying that kids sports teams are a reason to NOT put this in place, but that maybe there is an alternative, cheaper option? |
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mindmetoo
Joined: 02 Feb 2004
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Posted: Mon May 15, 2006 5:12 am Post subject: |
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I remember a number of years ago congress wanted everyone entering by car to fill out an I94. The border states weren't really paying attention until the law was about to come into effect. They did the math... like x number of car trips per day, filling out an I94 would triple the amount of time it took a car to clear customs... the lines, the lines...
They quickly got Clinton to delay and then eventually killed the law. |
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