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ella



Joined: 17 Apr 2006

PostPosted: Tue May 16, 2006 10:40 am    Post subject: Smoking Reply with quote

I just read the "Anti-smoking Day at my Elementary School" thread. It sounds like it's okay smoke anywhere, anytime and people do. Restaurants, coffeeshops, malls, PC bangs, workplaces, even in fitness clubs it's okay to smoke? Is that true?
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Qinella



Joined: 25 Feb 2005
Location: the crib

PostPosted: Tue May 16, 2006 11:16 am    Post subject: Re: Smoking Reply with quote

ella wrote:
I just read the "Anti-smoking Day at my Elementary School" thread. It sounds like it's okay smoke anywhere, anytime and people do. Restaurants, coffeeshops, malls, PC bangs, workplaces, even in fitness clubs it's okay to smoke? Is that true?


Sort of. The people with the real cultural pass are males of at least 40 years old. For women... I don't know--never seen one blatantly smoking in public. They're always hidden away in an alley or drunk in a pub. There was one time I saw a reeaallllly old lady power-walking and sporting a stoge at a tilt, but that was once.

That being said, you may have gotten the wrong idea from the way people talk about ajeoshis on here. Basically, there are some places where smoking is verboten. Namely, coffee shops, department stores, bookstores, and other similar places where smoke would be extremely offensive. In such scenarios, it's usually okay to smoke in the bathroom. I've often seen an ash tray built right in to the wall next to urinals.

Q.
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ella



Joined: 17 Apr 2006

PostPosted: Tue May 16, 2006 11:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If it's okay to smoke in the restrooms in places that are otherwise "non-smoking," does that mean there are no truly non-smoking places?
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SPINOZA



Joined: 10 Jun 2005
Location: $eoul

PostPosted: Tue May 16, 2006 3:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

They're few and far between, Ella.
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ella



Joined: 17 Apr 2006

PostPosted: Tue May 16, 2006 5:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wow. Being a Los Angelean, I never even considered that. Thanks for the info.
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Wangja



Joined: 17 May 2004
Location: Seoul, Yongsan

PostPosted: Tue May 16, 2006 5:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ella wrote:
Wow. Being a Los Angelean, I never even considered that. Thanks for the info.


That is the good news.

The even better news is that you CAN drink al fresco.
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RACETRAITOR



Joined: 24 Oct 2005
Location: Seoul, South Korea

PostPosted: Tue May 16, 2006 6:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I worked with a female Canadian once who smoked. Our boss told her she'd have to quit if she wanted to keep her job. He said she was only allowed to smoke in cafes and bathrooms. We almost lost a major contract (all my students) because one of the fathers saw her smoking outside, away from any kids. Every time we were away from work and she lit up in public, she got ugly stares from tons of people. She lasted exactly one month.
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Hollywoodaction



Joined: 02 Jul 2004

PostPosted: Tue May 16, 2006 6:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ella wrote:
If it's okay to smoke in the restrooms in places that are otherwise "non-smoking," does that mean there are no truly non-smoking places?


It's illegal to smoke in schools and hospitals (washroom or not), but that doesn't seem to stop anyone. It's because of the lax enforcement from the police and the lack of non-smokers who confront these louts.
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ella



Joined: 17 Apr 2006

PostPosted: Tue May 16, 2006 6:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am not a smoker. It's not good news for someone with asthma/RAD. I may have to look for another country. I'll give it some more thought. I meant as a Los Angelean it didn't occur to me that there wouldn't be many non-smoking places. Where I'm from, it's the smoking places that are few and far between; they're almost non-existent.
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Wangja



Joined: 17 May 2004
Location: Seoul, Yongsan

PostPosted: Tue May 16, 2006 6:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ella wrote:
I am not a smoker. It's not good news for someone with asthma/RAD. I may have to look for another country. I'll give it some more thought. I meant as a Los Angelean it didn't occur to me that there wouldn't be many non-smoking places. Where I'm from, it's the smoking places that are few and far between.


Well, sounds like Korea is not the place for you.

Or Japan.

Or Taiwan.

Maybe teach English in California?
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Yu_Bum_suk



Joined: 25 Dec 2004

PostPosted: Tue May 16, 2006 6:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hollywoodaction wrote:
ella wrote:
If it's okay to smoke in the restrooms in places that are otherwise "non-smoking," does that mean there are no truly non-smoking places?


It's illegal to smoke in schools and hospitals (washroom or not), but that doesn't seem to stop anyone. It's because of the lax enforcement from the police and the lack of non-smokers who confront these louts.


Oh yeah, hospitals - I forgot about that - smoking and drinking beer with my friend at the hospital every other night while he was hospitalised for ten days.
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eamo



Joined: 08 Mar 2003
Location: Shepherd's Bush, 1964.

PostPosted: Tue May 16, 2006 6:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I may have to look for another country


You won't find many Asian, African or South American countries that have a californian-level smoking ban. In Europe, only my home country, Ireland, has a restaurant/bar smoking ban.

You may have to look very hard for another country!!

You would really rule out Korea because people smoke in bars and restaurants here??!!!
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Wangja



Joined: 17 May 2004
Location: Seoul, Yongsan

PostPosted: Tue May 16, 2006 7:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, Eamo, getting closer. Scotland now has the same paucity of smoking areas and England follows next year I think.

Theoretically, France banned smoking in restaurants some time ago but it's a bit hit and miss ....
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eamo



Joined: 08 Mar 2003
Location: Shepherd's Bush, 1964.

PostPosted: Tue May 16, 2006 7:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wangja wrote:
Well, Eamo, getting closer. Scotland now has the same paucity of smoking areas and England follows next year I think.

Theoretically, France banned smoking in restaurants some time ago but it's a bit hit and miss ....


There you go. Everybody wants to sanitize their country now. The shame...... Embarassed
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JongnoGuru



Joined: 25 May 2004
Location: peeing on your doorstep

PostPosted: Tue May 16, 2006 7:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was at a bank here in Korea once with two girls. Sisters, one in her late teens and the other in her early 20s. We were sitting on the benches that banks have along the windows. Sunny and comfy, with women's & sports magazines and ashtrays, like all banks set out for their customers' convenience & leisure.

So the older girl lit up a cigarette and started smoking. A moment later, this old bank guard, maybe in his 60s, walked up out of nowhere, grabbed the cigarette from my friend's mouth, threw it on the floor and slapped her across the face. This prompted squeals of pain and astonishment from the girls and "WTF!!!?? WTF!!!!?" from me (a western dood).

The incident ended with a great show of remorse and much bowing by the bank guard, for he had no way of knowing that these women weren't Korean. They were, in fact, Korean-Japanese who spoke less Korean than I did and were only in the country for a summer to study the language of their grandma. A little cultural misunderstanding that I remember as clearly as if it were yesterday, when actually it was last month. (Okay, okay, more like 10 years ago. *sniff* Them was the days... Crying or Very sad)
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