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ella

Joined: 17 Apr 2006
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Posted: Tue May 16, 2006 10:40 am Post subject: Smoking |
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I just read the "Anti-smoking Day at my Elementary School" thread. It sounds like it's okay smoke anywhere, anytime and people do. Restaurants, coffeeshops, malls, PC bangs, workplaces, even in fitness clubs it's okay to smoke? Is that true? |
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Qinella
Joined: 25 Feb 2005 Location: the crib
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Posted: Tue May 16, 2006 11:16 am Post subject: Re: Smoking |
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ella wrote: |
I just read the "Anti-smoking Day at my Elementary School" thread. It sounds like it's okay smoke anywhere, anytime and people do. Restaurants, coffeeshops, malls, PC bangs, workplaces, even in fitness clubs it's okay to smoke? Is that true? |
Sort of. The people with the real cultural pass are males of at least 40 years old. For women... I don't know--never seen one blatantly smoking in public. They're always hidden away in an alley or drunk in a pub. There was one time I saw a reeaallllly old lady power-walking and sporting a stoge at a tilt, but that was once.
That being said, you may have gotten the wrong idea from the way people talk about ajeoshis on here. Basically, there are some places where smoking is verboten. Namely, coffee shops, department stores, bookstores, and other similar places where smoke would be extremely offensive. In such scenarios, it's usually okay to smoke in the bathroom. I've often seen an ash tray built right in to the wall next to urinals.
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ella

Joined: 17 Apr 2006
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Posted: Tue May 16, 2006 11:21 am Post subject: |
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If it's okay to smoke in the restrooms in places that are otherwise "non-smoking," does that mean there are no truly non-smoking places? |
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SPINOZA
Joined: 10 Jun 2005 Location: $eoul
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Posted: Tue May 16, 2006 3:28 pm Post subject: |
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They're few and far between, Ella. |
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ella

Joined: 17 Apr 2006
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Posted: Tue May 16, 2006 5:07 pm Post subject: |
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Wow. Being a Los Angelean, I never even considered that. Thanks for the info. |
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Wangja

Joined: 17 May 2004 Location: Seoul, Yongsan
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Posted: Tue May 16, 2006 5:17 pm Post subject: |
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ella wrote: |
Wow. Being a Los Angelean, I never even considered that. Thanks for the info. |
That is the good news.
The even better news is that you CAN drink al fresco. |
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RACETRAITOR
Joined: 24 Oct 2005 Location: Seoul, South Korea
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Posted: Tue May 16, 2006 6:20 pm Post subject: |
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I worked with a female Canadian once who smoked. Our boss told her she'd have to quit if she wanted to keep her job. He said she was only allowed to smoke in cafes and bathrooms. We almost lost a major contract (all my students) because one of the fathers saw her smoking outside, away from any kids. Every time we were away from work and she lit up in public, she got ugly stares from tons of people. She lasted exactly one month. |
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Hollywoodaction
Joined: 02 Jul 2004
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Posted: Tue May 16, 2006 6:46 pm Post subject: |
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ella wrote: |
If it's okay to smoke in the restrooms in places that are otherwise "non-smoking," does that mean there are no truly non-smoking places? |
It's illegal to smoke in schools and hospitals (washroom or not), but that doesn't seem to stop anyone. It's because of the lax enforcement from the police and the lack of non-smokers who confront these louts. |
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ella

Joined: 17 Apr 2006
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Posted: Tue May 16, 2006 6:52 pm Post subject: |
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I am not a smoker. It's not good news for someone with asthma/RAD. I may have to look for another country. I'll give it some more thought. I meant as a Los Angelean it didn't occur to me that there wouldn't be many non-smoking places. Where I'm from, it's the smoking places that are few and far between; they're almost non-existent. |
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Wangja

Joined: 17 May 2004 Location: Seoul, Yongsan
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Posted: Tue May 16, 2006 6:57 pm Post subject: |
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ella wrote: |
I am not a smoker. It's not good news for someone with asthma/RAD. I may have to look for another country. I'll give it some more thought. I meant as a Los Angelean it didn't occur to me that there wouldn't be many non-smoking places. Where I'm from, it's the smoking places that are few and far between. |
Well, sounds like Korea is not the place for you.
Or Japan.
Or Taiwan.
Maybe teach English in California? |
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Yu_Bum_suk

Joined: 25 Dec 2004
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Posted: Tue May 16, 2006 6:58 pm Post subject: |
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Hollywoodaction wrote: |
ella wrote: |
If it's okay to smoke in the restrooms in places that are otherwise "non-smoking," does that mean there are no truly non-smoking places? |
It's illegal to smoke in schools and hospitals (washroom or not), but that doesn't seem to stop anyone. It's because of the lax enforcement from the police and the lack of non-smokers who confront these louts. |
Oh yeah, hospitals - I forgot about that - smoking and drinking beer with my friend at the hospital every other night while he was hospitalised for ten days. |
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eamo

Joined: 08 Mar 2003 Location: Shepherd's Bush, 1964.
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Posted: Tue May 16, 2006 6:58 pm Post subject: |
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I may have to look for another country |
You won't find many Asian, African or South American countries that have a californian-level smoking ban. In Europe, only my home country, Ireland, has a restaurant/bar smoking ban.
You may have to look very hard for another country!!
You would really rule out Korea because people smoke in bars and restaurants here??!!! |
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Wangja

Joined: 17 May 2004 Location: Seoul, Yongsan
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Posted: Tue May 16, 2006 7:03 pm Post subject: |
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Well, Eamo, getting closer. Scotland now has the same paucity of smoking areas and England follows next year I think.
Theoretically, France banned smoking in restaurants some time ago but it's a bit hit and miss .... |
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eamo

Joined: 08 Mar 2003 Location: Shepherd's Bush, 1964.
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Posted: Tue May 16, 2006 7:08 pm Post subject: |
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Wangja wrote: |
Well, Eamo, getting closer. Scotland now has the same paucity of smoking areas and England follows next year I think.
Theoretically, France banned smoking in restaurants some time ago but it's a bit hit and miss .... |
There you go. Everybody wants to sanitize their country now. The shame......  |
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JongnoGuru

Joined: 25 May 2004 Location: peeing on your doorstep
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Posted: Tue May 16, 2006 7:13 pm Post subject: |
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I was at a bank here in Korea once with two girls. Sisters, one in her late teens and the other in her early 20s. We were sitting on the benches that banks have along the windows. Sunny and comfy, with women's & sports magazines and ashtrays, like all banks set out for their customers' convenience & leisure.
So the older girl lit up a cigarette and started smoking. A moment later, this old bank guard, maybe in his 60s, walked up out of nowhere, grabbed the cigarette from my friend's mouth, threw it on the floor and slapped her across the face. This prompted squeals of pain and astonishment from the girls and "WTF!!!?? WTF!!!!?" from me (a western dood).
The incident ended with a great show of remorse and much bowing by the bank guard, for he had no way of knowing that these women weren't Korean. They were, in fact, Korean-Japanese who spoke less Korean than I did and were only in the country for a summer to study the language of their grandma. A little cultural misunderstanding that I remember as clearly as if it were yesterday, when actually it was last month. (Okay, okay, more like 10 years ago. *sniff* Them was the days... ) |
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