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On the other hand
Joined: 19 Apr 2003
Location: I walk along the avenue
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DD:
A lot of the items on your UN list don't really address the question of which country is more free. Okay, so the US has the most handgun murders, armed robberies, and rapes. But I'll bet you that Saudi Arabia also has a much lower rate of murders, armed robberies, and possibly even rapes(given the strict gender segregation that exists). So does that make Saudi Arabia a freer place?
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Annual reports of police brutality (per 100,000 people)
United States 92.5
United Kingdom 6.0
France 0.7
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The reports of police brutality are(it seems) per 100 000 people from the general population, but wouldn't it be more accurate to measure it per 100 000 arrestees? You've already established that the US has a higher crime(and hence arrest) rate than most other countries. The UN's methodolgy here is like saying that Swedish kimchi is safer than Korean kimchi, because thousands of Koreans got food poisoning from kimchi last year, whereas only one Swede did.
Also: A higher rate of reporting might also indicate that a particular system encourages reports of police brutality more than another one does. I'll bet you North Korea is right at the bottom of the "reports of police brutality" list. |
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Gopher
Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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| Posted: Sat May 13, 2006 9:23 pm Post subject: |
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The Bobster
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Sat May 13, 2006 10:53 pm Post subject: |
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| Iran saw itself as "victorious" against the US in the hostage crisis. |
That was such a long time ago. |
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ddeubel
Joined: 20 Jul 2005
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On the other hand --- agreed, statistics don't tell much. My point wasn't to lambast America as a horrible place. Lovely place and great place to live in most areas. Why so many people want to go there, live. Statistics can be culled, pruned and used to support any kind of arguement.
My point was to show how inherently "violent" the U.S.A. is. In totally, if you look at all the statistics and glean an overview, this becomes very apparent. This was my point in response to ******** . One can be critical of America while at the same time not believing it is evil. I don't think America is evil but I do think it has a lot to account for -- especially in the dealings of its govt, its corporate agenda.
Also, America is a very BIG country. Depends so much where you live, who you are -- when looking at quality of life there. ..........
Gopher. I also agree with the role and position of the NSArchive as you outlined. I just think there is so much we don't know, also that there are other countries who do publish information for the general public much quicker and almost in real time. Also of concern is a judiciary which supports keeping the public record concealed or giving info piecemeal (as in the IRanContra info. -- or especially for that matter, the documents about the U.S. involvement in the Shah's Iran. The N.Y. Times case, 2000, to reveal these documents was foiled and still most have been destroyed and the archive lists this as one of the biggest sore points in recent U.S. history.
The other comments of ******* are just crazy, as are his arguements. Just mumbojumbo....
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Gopher
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bigverne
Joined: 12 May 2004
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| Islam is not made of this stuff, unless it is reacting with a hardon to U. S. actions which totally disregard the integrity of other cultures to run their own affairs and make and think in their own way.... |
But it's not just Al Qaeda is it. There are countless Jihadi organisations in numerous Muslim and non-Muslim countries that are working to impose Shariah Law, and it is simplistic in the extreme to blame the Americans for this. Jihad has been a central tenet of Islam since the time of Mohammed, long before the USA was a nation and long before Western intervention in the Middle East.
How do you explain Jamaaya-Islamiah (spelling?) in Indonesia, which was responsible for the Bali bombings? What about the Jihad in Thailand, or Kashmir, or the slaughter of tourists in Egypt by Islamic fanatics? What about the repellant actions of the Islamist government of Sudan against its black and Christian minorities?
I'm afraid Islam is made of 'this stuff' and it only takes a cursory look at the world today to see that this is the case. |
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bigverne
Joined: 12 May 2004
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Obviously the nefarious Americans are somehow involved in this Jihadi episode from Bangladesh. Couldn't possibly have anything to do with Islam!
Murder of Bangladeshi judges was Allah�s will: militant
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An Islamic militant leader accused of waging a bloody bombing campaign to impose Islamic laws in Bangladesh told a court he ordered the murder of two judges because it was Allah�s will, police said on Tuesday.
�The judges were murdered at the instruction of Allah. We should be rewarded, not punished for following the order of killing judges,� Shaikh Abdur Rahman was quoted as saying by investigating officer Munshi Atiqur Rahman.
http://www.khaleejtimes.com/DisplayArticleNew.asp?xfile=data/subcontinent/2006/May/subcontinent_May571.xml§ion=subcontinent&col=
Another isolated incident, from amongst a few hundred other isolated and non-representative incidents of someone misunderstanding the peaceful message of Islam. Because as we know, 'Islam isn't made of this stuff'. |
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