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jinju
Joined: 22 Jan 2006
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 Posted: Wed May 24, 2006 4:41 pm Post subject: |
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| Bulsajo wrote: |
Again, what carrots would you offer, exactly? And in exchange for what, precisely?
I'm thinking you don't actually know how the whole pan o palo thing works. |
The carrots for a verifiable end to their nukes: finacial aid, energy aid, security guarantees and opening up talks on a peace treaty although that would have to include other issues too, like the human rights, drug smuggling, weapons sales, etc. By verifiable I mean REALLY verifiable which means inspections of pretty much the whole country and all of their sites, although this could be done by neutral parties if the DPRK has a problem with the Americans going in.
After a long test run a peace treaty could be formalized and perhaps even a move towards the mutual stand down of forces on both sides of the DMZ could be initiated. That would be a longer timescale though. |
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Bulsajo
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Wed May 24, 2006 4:55 pm Post subject: |
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| jinju wrote: |
The carrots for a verifiable end to their nukes: finacial aid, energy aid, security guarantees and opening up talks on a peace treaty although that would have to include other issues too, like the human rights, drug smuggling, weapons sales, etc. By verifiable I mean REALLY verifiable which means inspections of pretty much the whole country and all of their sites, although this could be done by neutral parties if the DPRK has a problem with the Americans going in.
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That sounds sensible enough; Maybe if you could find it in yourself to tone down the histrionics and hyperbole you might find that a lot of people are not so dissimilar in opinion to yours.
For the NK, the nuclear bargaining chip is really the only one have they to play with which is why they trot it out so often.
A while back we got in an argument where you said NK/KJI is simply crazy.
I said they were in fact masterful negotiators.
Do you still think they are simply crazy and the only reason they haven't been over-run by the South is due to the Uri party's actively working for the DPRK? |
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jinju
Joined: 22 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Wed May 24, 2006 5:36 pm Post subject: |
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You'll have to remind me exactly what I said. I dont think they are crazy. I do think that KJI is as evil as it gets, he is in Hitler's league but without Hitler's balls. Or his father's. He is an evil little coward. Crazy? I dont think ive ever said that.
Are they good negotiators? Maybe, although id like to see how good they will be when we get a GNP government that will actually call them on their crap. Its easy to be "good at negotiating" when the other side doesnt want to challenge you in negotiations. |
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Bulsajo
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Wed May 24, 2006 5:38 pm Post subject: |
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| Ho ho! You certainly place a lot of faith in the GNP! |
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jinju
Joined: 22 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Wed May 24, 2006 6:22 pm Post subject: |
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| Bulsajo wrote: |
| Ho ho! You certainly place a lot of faith in the GNP! |
Its all relative. I sure do place more faith in the GNP than I do in Uri. |
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Bulsajo
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Wed May 24, 2006 7:05 pm Post subject: |
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| Well that's not hard to do, now is it? But the way you write about them here and in other threads gives the impression that they can do no wrong and simply by electing them all will be set right in Korea... As I said before (in an unkinder tone, to be sure) you seem to buy into the political hype that flies around Korea pretty easily. |
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jinju
Joined: 22 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Wed May 24, 2006 7:20 pm Post subject: |
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| Bulsajo wrote: |
| Well that's not hard to do, now is it? But the way you write about them here and in other threads gives the impression that they can do no wrong and simply by electing them all will be set right in Korea... As I said before (in an unkinder tone, to be sure) you seem to buy into the political hype that flies around Korea pretty easily. |
Again, its all relative. I dont know how much they will do. I may be happily surprised and they will take a tough stance on NK and actually make discussions with them a 2 way affair. I may be mildly disappointed. One thing is for sure, we cant have more of what uri has been doing. The GNP should atleast provide a breath of fresh air and should restore, or atleast improve significantly, relations with the US. But yes, I am expecting that the GNP will confront the North on key issues and actually put some damn conditions on aid. And restore some dignity to SK as right now, there isnt any. Can you imagine a country with an economy 20 times more powerful, 3 times as many people, a far stronger military and an ally who is the world's only hyperpower bending over for a poverty stricken hellhole with no economy and poorly trained and equipped soldiers? Time for SK to actually assume the role of the more powerful broker, not the spineless coward.
Only time will tell. |
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Bulsajo
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Wed May 24, 2006 7:34 pm Post subject: |
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Well, look at this- we're almost having a reasonable debate here: you've pretty much moved away from the unsupported hyperbole and I've just about ceased with the name calling and various ad hominems.
I share your optimism that the GNP will be better than the URI party, if only by a small increment. |
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