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Real Reality



Joined: 10 Jan 2003
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Sun May 28, 2006 8:55 am    Post subject: Korea Cheaper Than Japan? NOT Anymore. Reply with quote

Korea Cheaper Than Japan? Not Anymore
The idea that prices of commodities in Korea are cheaper than Japan is losing credibility.

"I went to a department store to purchase a suit, but I gave up because they were so expensive. What I can buy for 300,000 to 400,000 won in Japan is about 500,000 to 600,000 won here in Korea."

Global brands with standardized service and taste are also more expensive in Korea. The price of a cup of cappuccino (small) at Starbucks is 3,300 won in Korea and 290 yen (approximately 2,465 won) in Japan, where Korea�s cup of coffee is almost 1,000 won more expensive. The price of a McDonalds Big Mac hamburger in Korea is 2,900 won, while in Japan it is 280 yen (approximately 2,380 won).
by Chang-Won Kim and Kwang-Am Cheon, Donga.com (May 27, 2006)
http://english.donga.com/srv/service.php3?biid=2006052719498
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n3ptne



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PostPosted: Sun May 28, 2006 9:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

why would you go to a department store to buy a suit when you can have one tailored for half the price?
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Tiger Beer



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PostPosted: Sun May 28, 2006 9:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

What the hell? That writer founds suits in Korea for 500,000 to 600,000 won? I've bought two in Itaewon for 180,000 won each.

I have no idea about massive fastfood chain prices like Starbucks and McDonalds and relations in prices between the two countries - they might be right. But it has no reflection on the cost of living between the two.

Last time I was in Japan (two months ago).. minimum for basic hotel accomodation starts around US$70 and goes up drastically.. the taxis, subways, public transportation are also outrageous - at least double. Beer prices in bars start around US$6-7 and goes up at just basic dive bars. Korea is easily half that all the way around.
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Real Reality



Joined: 10 Jan 2003
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PostPosted: Sun May 28, 2006 9:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tiger Beer wrote:
What the hell? That writer founds suits in Korea for 500,000 to 600,000 won? I've bought two in Itaewon for 180,000 won each.

Quality in Japan? Quantity in Korea?

At a Japanese information technology company on the outskirts of Tokyo, Kim Byeong-kuk and 19 other Koreans make up almost half of the 50 programmers in the office. The 32-year-old arrived in January as part of a growing exodus of Koreans seeking jobs in Japan because it has become difficult to find a good job in Korea. Although Mr. Kim has a master's degree in information management, he could only find management jobs at small and mid-sized companies with unsatisfying wages in Korea.... The demand for foreign workers in Japan is being driven by the recovering economy and a major national project called e-Japan.
Latest wave of jobseekers heads to Japan
by Special reporting team, JoongAng Daily (May 22, 2006)
http://joongangdaily.joins.com/200605/21/200605212116377279900092309231.html
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capebretoncanadian



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PostPosted: Sun May 28, 2006 10:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

hamburgers...suits and coffee? Does it address real cost of living issues like rent, utilities, real food and transportation?....Hell no.....I got a haircut (with spa like treatment for an hour) today for 7,000 ....I ate dinner for 3,000 and took a twenty minute taxi ride home for 5,000.....can you do THAT in Japan? I'd wager you'd be pushing it to get the taxi ride for that much.
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SuperHero



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PostPosted: Sun May 28, 2006 2:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tiger Beer wrote:
I have no idea about massive fastfood chain prices like Starbucks and McDonalds and relations in prices between the two countries - they might be right. But it has no reflection on the cost of living between the two.

The Economist has a regular big mac index of the cost of a big mac in various countries since theoretically they should always cost the same. it's subscription only but here are the search results for big mac
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VanIslander



Joined: 18 Aug 2003
Location: Geoje, Hadong, Tongyeong,... now in a small coastal island town outside Gyeongsangnamdo!

PostPosted: Sun May 28, 2006 2:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think it's time RR applied to work in a Japanese university. After all, he deserves a higher pay and thinks the country is so much better than here. Seriously, RR. Why haven't you? (perhaps you'd miss having an axe to grind?)

Tiger Beer wrote:
...in Japan... minimum for basic hotel accomodation starts around US$70 and goes up drastically.. the taxis, subways, public transportation are also outrageous - at least double. Beer prices in bars start around US$6-7 and goes up at just basic dive bars. Korea is easily half that all the way around.

Exactly.

capebretoncanadian wrote:
.....I got a haircut (with spa like treatment for an hour) today for 7,000 ....I ate dinner for 3,000 and took a twenty minute taxi ride home for 5,000.....can you do THAT in Japan? I'd wager you'd be pushing it to get the taxi ride for that much.

Bingo!

I just came back to the southernmost region from a weekend trip to Seoul. Comfy express bus (23,000 won each way), World Cup friendly game admission (20,000 won), new motel room with Internet (40,000 won ea, 2 nights), taxis (three rides: total 16,000 won), Picasso exhibition (12,000 won), eating (three meals, total 35,000 won), total.... 169,000 won for travel across the country, two nights accommodation, entertainment, food, everything! NOT watching my finances either.

No way could I do that in Japan even if I tried. I know, I've tried. Four trips to Japan and each time got gouged big time. Some things may be cheaper, some things more expensive... in general? Korea's cheaper. Absurd to think otherwise unless one is talking about cappuccino at Starbucks.

Live la via LOCAL (ya loco)
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rocklee



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PostPosted: Sun May 28, 2006 3:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

VI, how do I enable images on my sig?
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VanIslander



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Location: Geoje, Hadong, Tongyeong,... now in a small coastal island town outside Gyeongsangnamdo!

PostPosted: Sun May 28, 2006 3:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

rocklee wrote:
VI, how do I enable images on my sig?

I just went to signature in the profile and put [img] followed by the link address and [/img]
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Gwangjuboy



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PostPosted: Sun May 28, 2006 4:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have noticed that Koreans have become obssessed with becoming the most expensive place on earth. Property is outragiously expensive when considering the per capita income levels here. It's as though they drive up property prices deliberately so they can one day boast "property here is more expensive than Japan." Countless Koreans I have spoken to wax lyrical about property in Daechi dong. Daechi dong isn't close to competing with the likes of Belgravia or the fashionable suburbs Tokyo yet. It's just another injection of we are the usual "(insert adjective in here)est" country in the world. The truth of the matter is that despite their best efforts Korea is not as expensive as Japan. Comparitively, essential services here are dirt cheap. Nowhere else in the western world can one take taxis, public transport, and stay in half decent hotels as cheaply. Why in the article does the reporter use overly priced suits in hyundai department store as a comparison? Get to parkland, or Itaewon and suits are much cheaper. Most Koreans in their twenties could not live without their parents life savings. Considering Korea's comparitively low per capita GDP its people are being ripped off right royaly.
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riley



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PostPosted: Sun May 28, 2006 4:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What should be mentioned is that Koreans love to spend more money on "luxury" goods. There's a thrill from being able to show that you can spend that much money. Why else are luxury cars so popular?
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Real Reality



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PostPosted: Sun May 28, 2006 4:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

SuperHero wrote:
Tiger Beer wrote:
I have no idea about massive fastfood chain prices like Starbucks and McDonalds and relations in prices between the two countries - they might be right. But it has no reflection on the cost of living between the two.

The Economist has a regular big mac index of the cost of a big mac in various countries since theoretically they should always cost the same

Big Mac index
From The Economist (January 12, 2006)
http://www.economist.com/markets/bigmac/displayStory.cfm?story_id=5389856


Image URL: http://www.economist.com/images/20060114/CIN135.gif

The Economist's Big Mac index
Fast food and strong currencies Jun 9th 2005
From The Economist
http://www.economist.com/markets/bigmac/displayStory.cfm?story_id=4065603
Image URL: http://www.economist.com/images/20050611/cfn080.gif

A Prism Into the PPP Puzzles: The Microfoundations of Big Mac Real Exchange Rates. October 2004. Available at www2.owen.vanderbilt.edu/david.parsley/research.htm
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red dog



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PostPosted: Sun May 28, 2006 5:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I haven't read through the entire thread but I really disagree that Korea is as expensive as Japan. Definitely, the cost of living there is a lot worse than it used to be, but in Japan it's unbelievable. During my time in Korea I managed to pay off my student loans and line of credit, worked my way up to a decent standard of living, and still had money in the bank. But after just two months in Japan, my money is disappearing rapidly. Just the train fare to a major city is astronomical! It's a pretty country, and maybe I'll find a way to start over from the bottom here like I did in Korea. If not, I hope I at least have enough money to leave the country when the year is through ...
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marcus



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PostPosted: Sun May 28, 2006 5:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Maybe it depends on how you do it. I paid off my student loans after one year in Japan but I find Korea more expensive. Before I came here, a Korean friend of mine kept telling me how much cheaper it was and Japan was so expensive and I'd save so much more money here. The thing is, she's been living in Canada for the past 10 years.

I don't find Korea cheaper at all except in certain areas like bus tickets and business cards. Electronics are more expensive, business clothes are more expensive, casual clothes are more expensive and the selection is far more limited, food costs the same.

Girls are about the same price. They still cost a designer hand bag.
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ajgeddes



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PostPosted: Sun May 28, 2006 5:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think what this shows is that Korea is quickly becoming more expensive in certain areas, and the belief that Japan is just so expensive and Korea so much cheaper is becoming a myth (in certain areas). Nobody said 'everything' was now more expensive in Korea. It was just simply stated, that many things are now more expensive in Korea than they are in Japan.
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