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jinju
Joined: 22 Jan 2006
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 Posted: Mon May 29, 2006 5:34 am Post subject: |
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| For him to go to Everest he would need heavy "hardship payments" from his company because if it aint like home, he aint happy. I wonder if he asks for money from his company every time he is suffering from hardship because you know if Seoul is such a hard place to live, what about Everest? |
Everest would probably have cleaner air, at least.
I take it then that you too Jinju would have chosen to summit rather than help a fellow climber facing death? That'd be very sad, for you as a human being. |
Im not a climber so I wouldnt have to make that choice. The thing is though, he went solo, and in effect, he was giving everyone else a big middle finger. "Look at me and how great I am". A show off that paid the price for his arrogance. HE wanted to go solo, nobody forced him. |
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Zulu
Joined: 28 Apr 2006
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| Posted: Mon May 29, 2006 5:42 am Post subject: |
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| Im not a climber so I wouldnt have to make that choice. The thing is though, he went solo, and in effect, he was giving everyone else a big middle finger. "Look at me and how great I am". A show off that paid the price for his arrogance. HE wanted to go solo, nobody forced him. |
It was obviously a hypothetical question so don't avoid it. If you were one of those climbers would his "arrogance" merit the gross neglect which resulted in his death? There was clearly no danger in giving medical attention and bringing him down so I would have stopped and helped him. It's a simple right or wrong decision and 40 people showed demonstrated quite clearly where their priorities lay. Sickening. |
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Junior
Joined: 18 Nov 2005
Location: the eye
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| Posted: Mon May 29, 2006 5:54 am Post subject: |
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| Zulu wrote: |
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| Im not a climber so I wouldnt have to make that choice. The thing is though, he went solo, and in effect, he was giving everyone else a big middle finger. "Look at me and how great I am". A show off that paid the price for his arrogance. HE wanted to go solo, nobody forced him. |
It was obviosly a hypothetical question so don't avoid it. If you were one of those climbers would his "arrogance" merit the gross neglect which resulted in his death? There was clearly no danger in giving medical attention and bringing him down so I would have stopped and helped him. It's a simple right or wrong decision and 40 people showed demonstrated quite clearly where their priorities lay. Sickening. |
Thats true. The best of human achievement is accomplished together, rather than individual endeavour.
We all know Edmund Hilary cheated tensing norgay of the crown, and everyone knows what an ass he was for doing so. They had had an agreement to step foot on it together but Hilary rushed on ahead, later deserting his friend for all the book contracts coming his way.
Its similar here- the rescuer was the real hero of the day. |
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jinju
Joined: 22 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Mon May 29, 2006 3:40 pm Post subject: |
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| Zulu wrote: |
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| Im not a climber so I wouldnt have to make that choice. The thing is though, he went solo, and in effect, he was giving everyone else a big middle finger. "Look at me and how great I am". A show off that paid the price for his arrogance. HE wanted to go solo, nobody forced him. |
It was obviously a hypothetical question so don't avoid it. If you were one of those climbers would his "arrogance" merit the gross neglect which resulted in his death? There was clearly no danger in giving medical attention and bringing him down so I would have stopped and helped him. It's a simple right or wrong decision and 40 people showed demonstrated quite clearly where their priorities lay. Sickening. |
He wasnt left to die because of his arogance, more like his stupidity. The other climbers are also on the brink of life and death. That is treacherous territoty up there, they are deprived of food, water and oxygen. One slip could mean death. They had to choose. The guy took his chance. he went solo. he wanted the glory, he got infamy. Did he get what he deserved? Who knows, one thing is for sure, no one is under any obligation to risk their lives to save an idiot. |
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jinju
Joined: 22 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Mon May 29, 2006 3:43 pm Post subject: |
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| Junior wrote: |
| Zulu wrote: |
| jinju wrote: |
| Im not a climber so I wouldnt have to make that choice. The thing is though, he went solo, and in effect, he was giving everyone else a big middle finger. "Look at me and how great I am". A show off that paid the price for his arrogance. HE wanted to go solo, nobody forced him. |
It was obviosly a hypothetical question so don't avoid it. If you were one of those climbers would his "arrogance" merit the gross neglect which resulted in his death? There was clearly no danger in giving medical attention and bringing him down so I would have stopped and helped him. It's a simple right or wrong decision and 40 people showed demonstrated quite clearly where their priorities lay. Sickening. |
Thats true. The best of human achievement is accomplished together, rather than individual endeavour.
We all know Edmund Hilary cheated tensing norgay of the crown, and everyone knows what an ass he was for doing so. They had had an agreement to step foot on it together but Hilary rushed on ahead, later deserting his friend for all the book contracts coming his way.
Its similar here- the rescuer was the real hero of the day. |
For me Hillary is scum. The reason you state is right on, he cheated Orgay out of glory. Which is pathetic because Noray was probably a better climber. |
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Zulu
Joined: 28 Apr 2006
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| Posted: Tue May 30, 2006 4:00 am Post subject: |
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| Junior wrote: |
| We all know Edmund Hilary cheated tensing norgay of the crown, and everyone knows what an ass he was for doing so. They had had an agreement to step foot on it together but Hilary rushed on ahead, later deserting his friend for all the book contracts coming his way. |
Junior, Jinju,
FYI
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/2941522.stm
Summit controversy
"Later the world demanded to know which man had stood on the summit first.
Both dismissed the question as foolish, and to defuse controversy they signed a statement: "We reached the summit almost together".
Tenzing revealed years later in his book that Sir Edmund had been a few steps ahead."
You'd better get cracking and let Tenzing know ASAP.  |
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Zulu
Joined: 28 Apr 2006
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| Posted: Tue May 30, 2006 4:09 am Post subject: |
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| ... one thing is for sure, no one is under any obligation to risk their lives to save an idiot. |
No one? Really? You're oblivious of the principles of Duty of Care and Duty to Act?
Jinju, how much are you going to pay me to keep correcting what you continuously spout as 'fact'? It's taking up a lot of my time, which I really don't have to spare.
Risking their lives was hardly an issuse in this case. Rather an idiot than a callous idiot.
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Zulu
Joined: 28 Apr 2006
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| Posted: Tue May 30, 2006 4:14 am Post subject: |
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| For me Hillary is scum. |
So people who leave a dying man alone on a mountain are ok, but Hillary: "who Since his ascent in 1953 he has devoted his life to helping the Sherpas of the Khumbu region."
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/2941522.stm
is scum?
Says a lot about you. |
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jinju
Joined: 22 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Tue May 30, 2006 3:48 pm Post subject: |
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| ... one thing is for sure, no one is under any obligation to risk their lives to save an idiot. |
No one? Really? You're oblivious of the principles of Duty of Care and Duty to Act?
Jinju, how much are you going to pay me to keep correcting what you continuously spout as 'fact'? It's taking up a lot of my time, which I really don't have to spare.
Risking their lives was hardly an issuse in this case. Rather an idiot than a callous idiot. |
I wouldnt have saved him. Ok? Is that what you want to know? Probably kick him on the way up just for fun. I would have gone for the summit. |
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Bulsajo
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Tue May 30, 2006 3:52 pm Post subject: |
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| Wow, one more topic where Jinju flaunts his lack of knowledge... how many are left? |
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dulouz
Joined: 04 Feb 2003
Location: Uranus
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| Posted: Tue May 30, 2006 8:01 pm Post subject: |
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If that climer had stationed his own rescue team, he would be alive but he neglected to do even that making everyone else his rescue team whether they wanted to be or not.
Most climers are not wealthy socialites. The Paris Hiltons don't last long. There are many type "A" people that are not climbers but they are driven people and are good on climbs.
I'm an ex climber and I know there is a different ethic on Everest.
Climbing...sucked. Its not a way to relax. Perhaps hiking to a good 4 pitch wall and climbing that all weekend for fun is good but summiting is a whole different story. |
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