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anyway

Joined: 22 Oct 2005
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Posted: Sat Jun 03, 2006 12:35 am Post subject: Worst K-1 Match Ever? |
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I just watched the third match (the two Koreans) from the Seoul tourney today. Pathetic is a vast overstatement. HOW did they pick a winner? It was more like a shadow boxing demonstration than anything else. I've seen sissy pillow fights with more action. There's more contact at the supermarket on an average weekend. Korea should truly be ashamed if they can't find anyone better than that.
Where did they find those guys? |
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Troll_Bait

Joined: 04 Jan 2006 Location: [T]eaching experience doesn't matter much. -Lee Young-chan (pictured)
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Posted: Sat Jun 03, 2006 3:16 am Post subject: |
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The guy who won showed more heart in the later matches.
In the semi-final match, he came back from a low blow that required a ringside doctor to check if his privates were OK (using a towel to hide the examination from public view). |
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philthy

Joined: 02 Sep 2005 Location: Incheon
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Posted: Sat Jun 03, 2006 6:34 am Post subject: |
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It was pretty pathetic, I was there. More like a comedy act than a "fight." At least Peter Aerts showed the way it's done in the next fight against Hori. |
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Troll_Bait

Joined: 04 Jan 2006 Location: [T]eaching experience doesn't matter much. -Lee Young-chan (pictured)
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Posted: Sat Jun 03, 2006 6:50 am Post subject: |
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No kidding.
Hori got two standing-eight counts, and the third time, Aerts knocked poor Hori out so completely that he got taken out on a stretcher.
And later, Ray Sefo (my personal favorite) left Ruslan Karaev an unconscious heap.
I admired Karaev's positive (actually, happy-looking) mood on the way to the ring, as the last time he met Sefo, he got knocked out, too.
He had guts to meet Sefo again.
By the way ...
Choi Hong-man Defeats Semmy Schilt: Travesty of Justice? |
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stumptown
Joined: 11 Apr 2005 Location: Paju: Wife beating capital of Korea
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Posted: Sat Jun 03, 2006 6:52 am Post subject: |
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Just out of curiosity, has anyone ever knocked Sefo out? I've seen take a few decent blows, but never go down. |
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Troll_Bait

Joined: 04 Jan 2006 Location: [T]eaching experience doesn't matter much. -Lee Young-chan (pictured)
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Posted: Sat Jun 03, 2006 7:13 am Post subject: |
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stumptown wrote: |
Just out of curiosity, has anyone ever knocked Sefo out? I've seen take a few decent blows, but never go down. |
According to his profile on K-1's website, he has.
I saw a tape of his Dec. 2002 loss to Ernesto Hoost.
It was counted as a KO, but what happened was that Sefo tried to kick Hoost's thigh. Hoost defended by lifting his leg. Sefo's shin cracked against Hoost's knee, and he went down and didn't get up.
He once lost by KO to Cyril Abidi, but later, he got revenge in a rematch by knocking him out. |
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philthy

Joined: 02 Sep 2005 Location: Incheon
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Posted: Sat Jun 03, 2006 7:28 am Post subject: |
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Did Aerts knock out Sefo in 2000? It's before I started watching K-1, so I'm just going by the website's stats. I'm curious what happened there?
Needless to say Sefo is extremely talented.
And Karaev better run when he sees him! |
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gypsyfish
Joined: 17 Jan 2003 Location: Seoul
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Posted: Sat Jun 03, 2006 8:18 am Post subject: |
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This is worse than fake 'rassling'.
No way did Choi, Hong-man win. He didn't even seem to believe it at the end of the match. The fix was in and it wasn't the first time he won this way. Very disappointing. (That said, Semi didn't look as good as he has in the past.) |
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gmat

Joined: 29 Jan 2003
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Posted: Sat Jun 03, 2006 1:44 pm Post subject: |
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Just watched the replay.... Choi didn't win a round. From his post-fight reaction, I think even he was embarrassed to have been given the "decision".
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Rteacher

Joined: 23 May 2005 Location: Western MA, USA
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Posted: Sat Jun 03, 2006 4:29 pm Post subject: |
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I'm not that familiar with the exact guidelines of K-1 scoring, but I am well-versed in boxing standards. Since there is a subjective element inherent in balencing various factors such as ring generalship, aggressiveness, effect of power punches and total punches landed there is usually a hometown factor (even if there's not a fix...) caused by the crowd's accentuating the positive things done by the local favorite.
This is especially true when the match is fairly close, and neither guy clearly demonstrates overall dominance. Although Shilt scored more frequently with his low kicks, they didn't seem to have much effect in stopping Choi's aggressiveness, and Choi landed the only power shots in the fight. Actually, at one point near the end of the second round Shilt - under a heavy barrage - actually turned his back on his opponent. In boxing rules, that signifies a fignter's wanting to quit the match, and it is usually stopped whenever that occurs.
Considering his lack of K-1 experience, Choi , because of his imposing size and strength, has made several K-1 stars look bad - or at least way off their game. It would be interesting to see how tough guy Ray Sefo matches up with him because he is very strong, has good speed and an unorthodox style. I think that Choi is too big and strong for Aerts at this stage of the great Dutch fighter's career... |
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Hollywoodaction
Joined: 02 Jul 2004
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Posted: Sat Jun 03, 2006 5:37 pm Post subject: |
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Rteacher wrote: |
I'm not that familiar with the exact guidelines of K-1 scoring, but I am well-versed in boxing standards. Since there is a subjective element inherent in balencing various factors such as ring generalship, aggressiveness, effect of power punches and total punches landed there is usually a hometown factor (even if there's not a fix...) caused by the crowd's accentuating the positive things done by the local favorite.
This is especially true when the match is fairly close, and neither guy clearly demonstrates overall dominance. Although Shilt scored more frequently with his low kicks, they didn't seem to have much effect in stopping Choi's aggressiveness, and Choi landed the only power shots in the fight. Actually, at one point near the end of the second round Shilt - under a heavy barrage - actually turned his back on his opponent. In boxing rules, that signifies a fignter's wanting to quit the match, and it is usually stopped whenever that occurs.
Considering his lack of K-1 experience, Choi , because of his imposing size and strength, has made several K-1 stars look bad - or at least way off their game. It would be interesting to see how tough guy Ray Sefo matches up with him because he is very strong, has good speed and an unorthodox style. I think that Choi is too big and strong for Aerts at this stage of the great Dutch fighter's career... |
Aren't you a Krishna? Could you get in trouble for knowing so much about boxing?  |
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philthy

Joined: 02 Sep 2005 Location: Incheon
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Posted: Sat Jun 03, 2006 5:50 pm Post subject: |
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Rteacher wrote: |
I'm not that familiar with the exact guidelines of K-1 scoring, ... |
Then maybe you shouldn't comment on a K-1 topic. |
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anyway

Joined: 22 Oct 2005
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Posted: Sat Jun 03, 2006 11:16 pm Post subject: |
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"Considering his lack of K-1 experience, Choi , because of his imposing size and strength, has made several K-1 stars look bad - or at least way off their game."
UHHHHHH, like who?
"there is usually a hometown factor (even if there's not a fix...) caused by the crowd's accentuating the positive things done by the local favorite."
You don't say...
Semmy now knows how Kaoklai felt - true champions who were brought to Seoul and given the royal screw job so the Koreans can feel good about themselves. Only this time they didn't dare let Hong Man go the extra round because his opponent wasn't half his size.
I was disappointed with Semmy. I thought he would make short work that fool and his new 'do. I would be willing to bet from watching Semmy and his trainers' entry into the ring that they knew exactly what was going to happen.
All I can say is..."Korea Fighting!" |
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SMKOREA

Joined: 29 Nov 2005
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Posted: Sun Jun 04, 2006 4:38 am Post subject: |
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I was also in attendance. First....the Min Su Kim/Gyeong Seok Kim fight was deffinately one of the worst professional fights I've ever seen (in person or on TV). I'm convinced this fight was fixed to keep which ever Korean that won fresh for the semi-final fight. One of my friends thought the fight was a comedy act, for real. Are they even showing that fight on TV? ..... Su Kim was a completely different fighter in his 2nd bout. I couldn't believe it was the same person. He came out actually looking like a fighter and showed some aggression. I was SO relieved when he got his ass beat in the final by Fujimoto.
The Hong Man/Semmy bout wasn't very good. Semmi got robbed I believe. He clearly landed more effective strikes each round. Choi didn't do anything but throw bombs and barely landed any. Schilt's corner was furious after the fight, as well they should have been. (they even had his name spelled wrong on the big screen during his entrance).
Thank goodness for Ray Sefo, Peter Aerts, and Yusuke Fujimoto. These guys were in top form. |
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Rteacher

Joined: 23 May 2005 Location: Western MA, USA
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Posted: Sun Jun 04, 2006 4:45 am Post subject: |
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Remi B., Bob Sapp - and Semi all looked not-as-good or (in Sapp's case...) worse than usual when they fought Choi. Based on that - and the fact that Choi is still relatively inexperienced - I wouldn't be surprised if he were to become the K-1 champ...
Personally, I thought that Shilt should have been declared the winner in a fairly close bout - or they should at least have gone an extra round.
I'm certainly aware of Korea's history with regard to trying to fix big fights when national prestige is on the line. The most egregious case of tainted fight-scoring was the Ray Jones fiasco at the Seoul Olympics (1988) when the gold medal was awarded to a totally outclassed Park Si Hun... |
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