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Lemonade



Joined: 04 Jan 2006
Location: South Korea

PostPosted: Sat Jun 03, 2006 10:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

jaykimf wrote:

In the U.S. a new PHD can start out at $135,000+ per year


Wow, that's high for a new Ph.d who's never taught at a university before except as a graduate assistant. Where did you get this figure? I think there are Deans at large universities with a lifetime of experience who are not making this much. I was on the hiring committee at one very large university so I have a fairly nice idea. Salaries are comparative from one similar uni. to another.

Speaking of comparative, guess how much a top basketball or football coach makes? Try millions. Furthermore, some of the football players get scholarships in access of $135,000 per year. They come to classes with a chip on their shoulders sometimes thinking "I'm a superstar NFL draft pick. This class is so beneath me. The rest of these students think I'm a god." I knew one of them driving to classes every day in a new corvette paid for courtesy of football scholarship funds. I think professors shoud get paid extra for having to put up with these punks.
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jacl



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PostPosted: Sat Jun 03, 2006 11:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Basically, this job is half of what you make for twice as many hours.

Good fucking deal!
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PRagic



Joined: 24 Feb 2006

PostPosted: Sun Jun 04, 2006 1:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lemonade, there are indeed teaching jobs that start that high. Usually, they require degrees in tech. and business fields. I knew a guy finishing up his Ph.D. in MIS, for example, that started at 105,000. Of course, the job was in a major city, so some of that was cost of living oriented.

Guess we don't merrit that in Korea, and in Seoul or Pusan in particular. Seoul is one of the most expensive cities in the world for expats to live in, and inflation and housing prices have been hiking skyward, yet universities are cutting salaries

Yeah, I know that this means that universities may be doing some belt tightening, too. I don't see it, though, at least not where I work. There has been investment in just about everything BUT teachers! So we need a plan that could potentially benefit universities, students, and teachers...

1) Cosolodate the universities, phasing out the non-viable ones.
2) Stop making English a mandatory subject. It'll do fine as an option, and erase the need for these half-assed programs.
3) Make the MA mandatory for all university jobs.
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Hollywoodaction



Joined: 02 Jul 2004

PostPosted: Sun Jun 04, 2006 3:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

philipjames wrote:
Once again we have situations where people here with undergrad degrees really think they are professors. They really think that their undergraduate degree entitles them to a professor's salary. They are not professors, and should not be so dismissive of jobs which, anywhere else on the planet, they wouldn't even be considered for.


I have a graduate degree in the subject that I teach...and I make just as much as those with a BA, which is less than a third of what the Korean full time professors make. The whole argument that I should get paid less because I don't publish is moot. I'd love to get funding for research.
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Real Reality



Joined: 10 Jan 2003
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Sun Jun 04, 2006 3:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Top 10 Private Research Universities in Average Salary for Full Professor
University ..................... Average Salary
1. Rockefeller University..... $172,800
2. Harvard University ..... $168,700
3. Princeton University ..... $156,800
4. Stanford University ..... $156,200
5. University of Chicago ..... $155,100
6. Yale University ..... $151,200
7. University of Pennsylvania ..... $149,900
8. California Institute of Technology ..... $147,800
9. Yeshiva University ..... $144,200
10. New York University ..... $144,000

Six-Figure Average Salaries for Associate Professors
Institution ................................. Average Salary
1. California Institute of Technology ..... $106,500
2. Stanford University ..... $106,100
3. Babson College ..... $103,000
4. Thomas M. Cooley Law School ..... $101,300
5. University of Pennsylvania ..... $100,700

Top 5 Institutions in Average Salary for Assistant Professor
Institution ................................... Average Salary
1. California Institute of Technology ..... $96,800
2. University of Pennsylvania ..... $88,100
3. Harvard University ..... $87,300
4. Babson College ..... $87,200
5. Stanford University .... $86,900

Top 10 Community Colleges in Average Salary for Full Professor
College .......................................... Average Salary
1. Westchester Community College ..... $95,100
2. Gloucester County College ..... $94,000
3. Miami U. (Ohio) at Hamilton ..... $90,600
4. Union County College ..... $89,900
5. Queensborough Community College ..... $89,200
6. Hostos Community College ..... $87,200
7. LaGuardia Community College ..... $86,700
8. Borough of Manhattan Community College ..... $85,300
9. (tie) Bronx Community College ..... $84,300
9. (tie) Kingsborough Community College ..... $84,300
The Eroding Faculty Paycheck by Scott Jaschik
Inside Higher Ed (April 24, 2006)
http://www.insidehighered.com/news/2006/04/24/salaries

Faculty Salaries Up 3.4%
Average Salaries at 4-Year Institutions, by Discipline and Rank, 2005-6
http://www.insidehighered.com/news/2006/03/06/cupa

Administrators' Salaries Are Up 3.5%
http://www.insidehighered.com/news/2006/02/20/cupa

What Professors Earn
Average Salaries for Full-Time Faculty Members, 2003-4
http://chronicle.com/prm/weekly/v50/i33/33a01301.htm

-- Annual Salaries for Korean Professors, 2000-2001--
Pohang University of Science and Technology: 67 million won
Yeungnam University: 62.7 million won
Sungkyunkwan University: 61.7 million won
Korea University: 59.5 million won
Hannam University: 58.3 million won
Hoseo University: 56.4 million won
Title: Academic Pay Not Linked to Prestige, Says Salary Study --
'2001 College Education Advancement Index' by the Korean Council
for University Education (KCUE).
Date of Article: September 23, 2001
Article by Kang Min-seok; Source: Inside JoongAng Daily
http://joongangdaily.joins.com/200109/23/200109232313052859900090409041.html

Professor in a Korean University: Salary
US$ 5,511 per month
Title: ASIAWEEK SALARY SURVEY 2000
Source: Asiaweek, MARCH 17, 2000 VOL. 26 NO. 10
Site Address: http://www.asiaweek.com/asiaweek/features/salaries/2000/popups/content/skor.html
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Lemonade



Joined: 04 Jan 2006
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 04, 2006 4:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

RR. Thanks for the link. You should have posted the averages:

Average Salaries of Professors, by Rank and Institution Type, 2006-6

Institution Type/Rank
Average Salary
1-Year % Change

Doctoral � public

�Professor
$101,620
+3.9%

�Associate professor
70,952
+3.7%

�Assistant professor
60,440
+3.8%

Doctoral � private independent

�Professor
$131,292
+4.4%

�Associate professor
84,419
+3.5%

�Assistant professor
71,877
+3.0%

Doctoral � private church-related

�Professor
$113,740
+3.8%

�Associate professor
77,409
+3.9%

�Assistant professor
65,286
+3.9%

Master�s � public

�Professor
$78,884
+2.7%

�Associate professor
62,700
+2.6%

�Assistant professor
52,873
+3.0%

Master�s � private independent

�Professor
$88,800
+3.4%

�Associate professor
67,148
+3.2%

�Assistant professor
54,996
+2.8%

Master�s � private church-related

�Professor
$78,379
+3.3%

�Associate professor
62,208
+3.2%

�Assistant professor
51,411
+3.5%

Baccalaureate � public

�Professor
$73,406
+2.9%

�Associate professor
59,913
+3.0%

�Assistant professor
49,546
+2.7%

Baccalaureate � private independent

�Professor
$87,779
+3.3%

�Associate professor
64,846
+3.6%

�Assistant professor
53,083
+4.0%

Baccalaureate � private church-related

�Professor
$66,547
+3.9%

�Associate professor
55,402
+3.5%

�Assistant professor
45,873
+2.8%

Community colleges � public

�Professor
$66,011
+3.0%

�Associate professor
53,405
+2.8%

�Assistant professor
47,116
+2.3%


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JZer



Joined: 13 Jan 2005
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 04, 2006 4:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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In the U.S. a new PHD can start out at $135,000+ per year


A law school professor would laugh at $135,000 a year.


Even division three football coaches earn over $100,000.
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Lemonade



Joined: 04 Jan 2006
Location: South Korea

PostPosted: Sun Jun 04, 2006 4:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

JZer wrote:
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In the U.S. a new PHD can start out at $135,000+ per year


A law school professor would laugh at $135,000 a year.


No, it depends on their experience and where they are teaching. Salaries are different in NYC and LA as compared to the rest of the country.
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kimchikowboy



Joined: 24 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Sun Jun 04, 2006 4:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

"The average salary, not the entry-level salary, of an assistant professor in a US Department of Foreign Languages is $35,095."

Source: Wright, John W. (Ed.) (1998). The American Almanac of Jobs and Salaries: 1997-1998 Edition. New York: Avon.

Quoted in: Hiring Policy in United States Spanish Departments: Considerations of Social Class, National Origin, and Ethnicity, Education Policy Analysis Archives, Vol. 7, Number 12, April 10, 1999.

I don't have a link handy, but you can do a search on ERIC if you are interested. I doubt salaries are much higher now, and this is for people with a Ph.D. Much of the focus of this part of the paper is how teaching literature is better paid and with lighter workloads than just teaching language. I believe it is the same here, with many of the lit jobs going to people with at least an M.A. in English, at least at my uni.

Lemonade wrote:
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Look Look Look There ARE professors with Masters' and even Baccalaureate degrees.... OH my!!! What about THAT. Oh geez, where are the trolls on their band wagon. Idiots tell them they "ain't no professors." Some people!


That is by institution type (look again at your post). That means that the university (or department) does not offer M.A. or Ph.D programs. The professors have Ph.Ds, or at least terminal degrees (such as MFAs). Yes, some people with bachelor's degrees teach uni courses. They are called teaching assistants, they teach the basic and intro courses, and they are working on master's degrees. I was one, once.

Edit: Lemonade seems to have noticed this, and edited her post accordingly.


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JZer



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PostPosted: Sun Jun 04, 2006 4:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
Baccalaureate � public


Lemonade, too bad you quickly edited your post but Lemonade said that people with Bachelor's degrees were on this list. Ha, Baccalaureate means universities that only award Bachelor's degrees as opposed to the category "Doctoral � public" That denotes schools that grant every degree up to the PhD level.
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JZer



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PostPosted: Sun Jun 04, 2006 4:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Yes, some people with bachelor's degrees teach uni courses. They are called teaching assistants, they teach the basic and intro courses, and they are working on master's degrees. I was one, once.


I believe that you can find some people who teach uni courses who only have a BA. If someone has high level experience in some field, they may be able to teach at a university. This is rare but it happens. Also some technical schools have people who teach with BA's because in some areas job experience is highly important.
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jacl



Joined: 31 Oct 2005

PostPosted: Sun Jun 04, 2006 4:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, and some technicals schools have instructors with no B.A.
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JZer



Joined: 13 Jan 2005
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 04, 2006 1:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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No, it depends on their experience and where they are teaching. Salaries are different in NYC and LA as compared to the rest of the country.


Well it looks like I am a little high on law school salaries, at least for beginning professors. For example the assistant professors at CUNY law school earn $80,899 a year on average. Full Professors earn over $100,000 on average at almost every law school. The average at George Washington is $154,000. Houston Law School pays $157,000 a year on average to its Full Professors. The average salary at Ohio State is $164,000.


Here is the source:
http://www.saltlaw.org/EQ-March2006.pdf


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JZer



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PostPosted: Sun Jun 04, 2006 1:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here is the best list! Lowest paid full time professors:

Southern Adventist U $34.8
U Politechnica de Puerto Rico $35.9
Lackawanna College $36.3
Central Baptist College (Ark) $36.4
Bethany College (Kan) $36.5
Truett McConnell College $37.2
Faith Baptist Bible College and Seminary $37.3
Tennessee Wesleyan College $37.7
Thomas U $37.7
Lane College $38.3
Missouri Baptist College $38.3
Bethel College (Kan) $38.4
Saint Paul's College (Va) $38.7
Ohio Valley College (WVa) $39.0
McPherson College $39.1
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JZer



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PostPosted: Sun Jun 04, 2006 1:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mark Grady of UCLA's law school earns $225,000 a year according to this website(http://taxprof.typepad.com/taxprof_blog/2006/02/more_on_law_pro.html).
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