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Bulsajo
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| The point that Hitchens is trying to drive home in that article is still unclear to me... |
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On the other hand
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| Posted: Tue Jun 06, 2006 9:11 am Post subject: |
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| The point that Hitchens is trying to drive home in that article is still unclear to me... |
I think the gist of it is that the conditions which made something like Haditha possible were deliberately created by the insurgents themeselves. |
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Bulsajo
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| Posted: Tue Jun 06, 2006 9:26 am Post subject: |
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| Yeah... I guess it's more that I don't really agree with his point than I don't understand it, I'm looking for a deeper meaner that just isn't there? |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
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| Posted: Tue Jun 06, 2006 4:45 pm Post subject: |
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| What's your analysis of the article Joo? That is, assuming you read past the title. Why did you post it? |
that Al Qaeda is more insidious and evil than the Vietcong. |
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On the other hand
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| Posted: Tue Jun 06, 2006 5:41 pm Post subject: |
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| Yeah... I guess it's more that I don't really agree with his point than I don't understand it, I'm looking for a deeper meaner that just isn't there? |
To some extent, I think he is arguing against a strawman. "You think Haditha is exactly like My Lai? Well it's not!! So there."
Of course, the anti-war people set themselves up for this sort of critique when they use easy, though not neccessarily accurate, historical antecedents as signifiers. The problem with Haditha is not that it's exatly like My Lai, but that a lot of innocent people were killed there. |
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Gopher
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On the other hand
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| Posted: Wed Jun 07, 2006 12:08 am Post subject: |
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Well, seeing how Hitchens has presented the SANE version of the argument, guess I'll liven things up with this...
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06 Jun 2006 02:58 pm
"This Haditha story, this Haditha incident, whatever, this is it folks, this is the final big push on behalf of the Democratic Party, the American left, and the Drive-By Media to destroy our effort to win the war in Iraq. That's what Haditha represents � and they are going about it gleefully. They are ecstatic about it ... Folks, let me just put it in graphic terms. It is going to be a gang rape. There is going to be a gang rape by the Democratic Party, the American left and the Drive-By Media, to finally take us out in the war against Iraq. Make no bones about it," - Rush Limbaugh, yesterday.
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Gang rape by the drive-by media? Sheesh, someone's been popping the mixed metaphors.
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Nowhere Man
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| Posted: Wed Jun 07, 2006 4:43 am Post subject: ... |
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I don't think it's really that hard to see what Hitchens is hitting at.
It's the gravity attributed to My Lai: most records suggest that My Lai was the turning point in public support for Vietnam.
Given his position on Iraq, it's not surprising to see him writing that "Haditha is not My Lai".
As for his reasoning, I agree that it's muddled.
I'd say more, but I won't.
But one thing: If the VC were of high morale and exalted standards, how does Hitchens know the status of Iraq insurgents?
No.
In defense (perhaps) of Gopher, My Lai was carried out by the Army, not Marines. |
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Bulsajo
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| Posted: Wed Jun 07, 2006 8:45 am Post subject: |
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This board could use more Rush Limbaugh quotes.
Q: Is it ethically wrong to secretly wish that somebody continues abusing substances in order to provide you with further entertainment? |
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