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Big_Bird
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 Posted: Sun Jun 11, 2006 7:59 pm Post subject: Too many have for too long been getting away with rape |
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Why is rape so common? It is hard to avoid the conclusion that the fusion of aggression and sexuality appeals to some men. It is striking how frequently rapists situate their abuses in a framework associated with dating culture, bizarrely employing the language of romance in the midst of the assault. When confronted with evidence of pain, they either eroticise it or demand a simulation of gratification from their victims. Even more disturbingly, rapists frequently insist that they (not their victims) are traumatised by the assault. During the Vietnam war, for instance, the diagnosis of post-traumatic stress disorder was given to servicemen who had suffered the "trauma" of raping other individuals. Today, the psychological stress of military service is being used to justify the sexual torture that took place in Abu Ghraib and elsewhere.
Sympathy for the abuser is not restricted to war zones. In Britain today there is considerable scepticism expressed towards women who accuse men of rape. In fact, false accusations are less common in rape than in other criminal cases. But any woman with a slightly adventurous history, or hailing from a powerless group, is normally right to think that making a complaint is not worthwhile.
In the 70s, around one third of reported rape cases ended in convictions. This dropped to around one quarter by the 80s. Today, only 5.6% of rapes reported to the police end up with a conviction - and in Gloucestershire, Suffolk and Cambridgeshire only two men are convicted for every 100 women who report being raped. Are we to believe that women in these counties are particularly prone to lying about rape? |
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/story/0,,1795319,00.html |
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Octavius Hite
Joined: 28 Jan 2004
Location: Househunting, looking for a new bunker from which to convert the world to homosexuality.
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| Posted: Sun Jun 11, 2006 8:12 pm Post subject: |
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| Rape is one of the most awful crimes in our cultures (yes even in Muslim countries its a real problem) we need mandatory minmum sentences for Rapists, life without parole and if I wasnt against the death penalty i would say give'em the chair. |
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tiger fancini
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| Posted: Sun Jun 11, 2006 8:44 pm Post subject: |
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| Castration - without anaesthetic |
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caniff
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| Posted: Sun Jun 11, 2006 9:51 pm Post subject: |
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Often rapists are themselves repeatedly raped. Later. In prison.
Another argument against capital punishment. |
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bigverne
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| Posted: Sun Jun 11, 2006 10:09 pm Post subject: |
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| In the 70s, around one third of reported rape cases ended in convictions. This dropped to around one quarter by the 80s. Today, only 5.6% of rapes reported to the police end up with a conviction |
If a woman invites a man back to her flat, and both are intoxicated, how can rape possibly be proved? It's just the word of the one person against another. |
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kermo
Joined: 01 Sep 2004
Location: Eating eggs, with a comb, out of a shoe.
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| Posted: Sun Jun 11, 2006 11:18 pm Post subject: |
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| In the 70s, around one third of reported rape cases ended in convictions. This dropped to around one quarter by the 80s. Today, only 5.6% of rapes reported to the police end up with a conviction |
If a woman invites a man back to her flat, and both are intoxicated, how can rape possibly be proved? It's just the word of the one person against another. |
It's even tougher if there's a little snuggling beforehand, as a medical examiner would find less damage. |
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bigverne
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| Posted: Mon Jun 12, 2006 12:57 am Post subject: |
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The problem with this debate about rape convictions is that many argue that the conviction rate needs to be increased, but none of them address how this could be done without undermining the legal process.
The fact is that the number of rape cases has increased as people's attitude to sex have become more liberal. I think it also has to do with the massive increase in the number of women drinking large amounts of alcohol. This obviously makes them more vulnerable to the kind of men who would take advantage of them. |
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Octavius Hite
Joined: 28 Jan 2004
Location: Househunting, looking for a new bunker from which to convert the world to homosexuality.
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| Posted: Mon Jun 12, 2006 1:41 am Post subject: |
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| I wont get into raising the conviction rate cause thats a hornets nest im not interested in, but i think one conviction should be life in prison, the same with child molestation and kiddy porn. |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Mon Jun 12, 2006 1:45 am Post subject: |
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| I wont get into raising the conviction rate cause thats a hornets nest im not interested in, but i think one conviction should be life in prison, the same with child molestation and kiddy porn. |
And if the guy is innocent...it's just tough luck? |
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Satori
Joined: 09 Dec 2005
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| Posted: Mon Jun 12, 2006 2:57 am Post subject: |
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| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
| Octavius Hite wrote: |
| I wont get into raising the conviction rate cause thats a hornets nest im not interested in, but i think one conviction should be life in prison, the same with child molestation and kiddy porn. |
And if the guy is innocent...it's just tough luck? |
Yes, the sentence should fit the crime. And then work on making the legal process more water tight, got give him half a sentence because the decision might be wrong. |
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Satori
Joined: 09 Dec 2005
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| Posted: Mon Jun 12, 2006 3:01 am Post subject: |
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| bigverne wrote: |
| The fact is that the number of rape cases has increased as people's attitude to sex have become more liberal. I think it also has to do with the massive increase in the number of women drinking large amounts of alcohol. This obviously makes them more vulnerable to the kind of men who would take advantage of them. |
I think it's far more likely that the number of rapes has always been relatively stable, and that there simply appears to be more rape now because people are less tolerant of it and thus more likely to report it and get the issue more attention. THough, according to the OP that seems to be backsliding now.
However I don't doubt that the relatively new intolerance for rape has been abused by vincdictive women. It can definitely be a power game. A man's life can be ruined even by an accusation of rape, even if it gets totally thrown out of a court. Especially if he is in high human contact public service job like teaching. |
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bigverne
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| Posted: Mon Jun 12, 2006 3:46 am Post subject: |
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| I think it's far more likely that the number of rapes has always been relatively stable, and that there simply appears to be more rape now because people are less tolerant of it and thus more likely to report it and get the issue more attention |
That's probably true. However, there has been a massive increase in the number of so-called 'date rapes', which are not so clear cut as cases of stranger rape. It is very hard to prove rape if the alleged suspect was invited back to the woman's home in the early hours, and especially if they were both drunk, thus clouding their recollection of events.
Of course women should not be blamed for rapes. However, women should take precautions and should operate on the basis that there are some very nasty, and inadequate men out there. Probably not a good idea to get blind drunk on the first date. |
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kermo
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Location: Eating eggs, with a comb, out of a shoe.
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| Posted: Mon Jun 12, 2006 4:02 am Post subject: |
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| Probably not a good idea to get blind drunk on the first date. |
Or the second date, or any time unless you a) trust your partner and b) are open to being pretty darned intimate with him/her. |
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Octavius Hite
Joined: 28 Jan 2004
Location: Househunting, looking for a new bunker from which to convert the world to homosexuality.
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| Posted: Mon Jun 12, 2006 4:13 am Post subject: |
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| I think a one strike and you're out policy fits this crime. A woman (or a man) who is raped is not just physically injured for a brief time. Rape destroys the person's life. I know, personally, 3 women in my life who have been raped and it affects your life forever. They don't know how to have a normal sexual relationship, or even personal relationships with men. It causes prostitution, drug and alcohol abuse, sucide, etc etc. Its the same as murder, you are destroying a life and so the punishment should be life in prison. |
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bigverne
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| Posted: Mon Jun 12, 2006 4:37 am Post subject: |
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| Rape destroys the person's life. |
But are there degrees of rape, as there are degrees of murder? Some people maintain that a woman may withdraw consent at any time. If a man continues to the point of climax after consent has been withdrawn, is this really 'rape' and should it receive the same sentence as a man who drags a woman into a dark alley and brutally rapes her?
Also, rape is not the same as murder. Many woman are able to eventually lead normal productive lives. I'm not trying to minimise the seriousness of the crime, but it is not the same as killing someone, and it should not be treated in the same way. This is not as black and white an issue as you are trying to paint it. |
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