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Octavius Hite
Joined: 28 Jan 2004
Location: Househunting, looking for a new bunker from which to convert the world to homosexuality.
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 Posted: Sun Jun 11, 2006 8:14 pm Post subject: Another Bush success story... |
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The good news keeps on rolling as the Bush Crime Family wins another vistory against radical Islam!
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/5069556.stm
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Somali anger over World Cup ban
By David Bamford
BBC Africa editor
Residents are pleased Mogadishu is now experiencing a period of calm
People in Mogadishu say an Islamist militia which has taken control of most of the city is preventing them from watching the football World Cup on TV.
Residents of the Somali capital say they are relieved the Islamist victory has led to calm and improved security.
But they say the militiamen have been forcing makeshift public cinemas which had been planning to show the football matches to close down.
The militia victory over rival warlords followed weeks of fighting.
'Corrupting'
Residents are angry at apparent moves by the militiamen now patrolling the streets to close down cinemas whose proprietors had arranged to show satellite television pictures of World Cup matches taking place in Germany.
It is not clear whether the new Islamist rulers in the city have a problem with people watching football.
Their spokesman, Sheikh Abdulkadir Ali Omar, indicated to the BBC it was the cinemas that were being targeted because they also showed Western and Indian films that the Islamists say are corrupting to the young.
But all this comes just a few days after the head of the Islamic courts militia, Sharif Shaikh Ahmed, said the Islamists had no plans to impose Islamic law in Mogadishu, and wanted the Somali people to decide their own future.
He has also welcomed new US proposals to convene an international conference to discuss Somalia's future.
The clan warlords to whom Washington is suspected of providing clandestine support have been thoroughly routed, but remain holed up in north Mogadishu and in the nearby town of Jowhar.
The Islamists have urged them to surrender and negotiate in order to prevent a renewal of fighting |
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Bulsajo
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| Posted: Sun Jun 11, 2006 9:45 pm Post subject: Re: Another Bush success story... |
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| Octavius Hite wrote: |
The good news keeps on rolling as the Bush Crime Family wins another vistory against radical Islam!
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Given the subject of the story you have posted is Islamists in Mogadishu shutting down theatres, I'm somewhat puzzled... especially since intervention in Somalia was at its height during the Clinton administration. Could you please connect the dots? |
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Octavius Hite
Joined: 28 Jan 2004
Location: Househunting, looking for a new bunker from which to convert the world to homosexuality.
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| Posted: Sun Jun 11, 2006 11:20 pm Post subject: |
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OK, Bush has declared war on Islamofacism. So what does he do, invade Iraq, which at the time had no Islamofacism, it was a secular state, or at least as much as one in the middle east can be. So while Bush is bogged down in a war that had nothing to do with Islamofacism the Taleban rebounded in Afghanistan, the Arab Muslims slaughtered hundreds of thousands in Sudan (and we know that Bin Laden once lived in Khartoum before he moved to Afghanistan), these new Muslim whack jobs have now taken over Somalia (nice attemp at blaming Clinton for that btw  ), Iran is going to have the Bomb, Syria probably got some sort of WMD from Saddam, the herion trade is booming in Afghanistan.
Now thats all the successes that I can remember just sitting here at my desk without looking anything up. I'm sure posters on this board could post a few more Bushie screwups! |
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Kuros
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| Posted: Mon Jun 12, 2006 2:15 am Post subject: |
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| Octavius Hite wrote: |
OK, Bush has declared war on Islamofacism. So what does he do, invade Iraq, which at the time had no Islamofacism, it was a secular state, or at least as much as one in the middle east can be. So while Bush is bogged down in a war that had nothing to do with Islamofacism the Taleban rebounded in Afghanistan, the Arab Muslims slaughtered hundreds of thousands in Sudan (and we know that Bin Laden once lived in Khartoum before he moved to Afghanistan), these new Muslim whack jobs have now taken over Somalia (nice attemp at blaming Clinton for that btw ), Iran is going to have the Bomb, Syria probably got some sort of WMD from Saddam, the herion trade is booming in Afghanistan.
Now thats all the successes that I can remember just sitting here at my desk without looking anything up. I'm sure posters on this board could post a few more Bushie screwups! |
Are you blaming the victory of radical Islam in Mogadishu on Bush?
I thought Bush was to blame for the presence of radical Islamists only in countries he has invaded? Or is he to blame for not invading these other countries instead? |
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bucheon bum
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| Posted: Mon Jun 12, 2006 10:14 am Post subject: |
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I think his point was merely: Bush's war on terrorism and fundamentalist Islam is a total failure. Islamic fundamentalism is as prevelant and as pervasive as it ever has been.
(that's his argument, not mine)
His headline is a little mis-leading. Now if he is blaming bush for somalia, then it is a pretty damn weak one. |
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Octavius Hite
Joined: 28 Jan 2004
Location: Househunting, looking for a new bunker from which to convert the world to homosexuality.
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| Posted: Mon Jun 12, 2006 4:42 pm Post subject: |
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| Thank you, Bushies failure is almost total and complete. Everything he touches turns sour and his misdirected policy in Iraq has allowed radical Islam to flourish in Iraq and in half a dozen other countries. He is a total failure when it comes to prosecuting the "Long War against Islamofacism". |
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Gopher
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| Posted: Mon Jun 12, 2006 6:00 pm Post subject: |
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Radical Islam has been threatening the stability of that part of the world (and indeed beyond) since the fall of the Shah. For the causes of this religious movement and its political-economic ramifications, start on the ground, in the Middle East -- not in the W. Bush White House.
Maybe W. Bush has excacerbated existing discontent in the Middle East and elsewhere. And I, too, disagree with his administration's foreign policy.
But the Middle East was already sour -- and much earlier than the March 2003 Iraqi War. That is, in order to catalyze something, the ingredients must already be there.
So faulting the W. Bush Administration for these developments in Somalia would seem to fall prey to the same U.S.-centric and very partisan-derived error that we have seen repeated several times in U.S. discourse: Truman's failed policies are at fault for China; JFK's policies nurtured and then exacerbated the Cuban Revolution; and Carter is to blame for the the fall of the Shah and the rise of the Sandinistas.
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Wangja
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Location: Seoul, Yongsan
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| Posted: Mon Jun 12, 2006 6:24 pm Post subject: |
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Yes-ish: I am no Bush lover but I don't immediately see how you can pin this one on him. 
Searching for someone in the wrong country, yes: invading the wrong country for the wrong reasons, yes.
He should know by now that my wife is right and the real reason for the US/UK invasion of Iraq is because I like beer.  |
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bucheon bum
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| Posted: Mon Jun 12, 2006 6:45 pm Post subject: |
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| Gopher wrote: |
Radical Islam has been threatening the stability of that part of the world (and indeed beyond) since the fall of the Shah. For the causes of this religious movement and its political-economic ramifications, start on the ground, in the Middle East -- not in the W. Bush White House.
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Yes, definitly beyond. Al-Qaeda and its sympathizers developed a lot of its ideas and concepts from the founders of the Muslim Brotherhood.
Thanks to Nasser and Assad, the Brotherhood was kept under wraps for a few decades.
Robert Baer (Bulsajo's favorite spy ) believes that while Hafez Al-Assad was a brutal dictator, he did manage to kick some fundie ass. Nasser was quite effective as well.
That being said, the fact that fundmentalism is alive and well in Egypt shows the limits of violent repression. |
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Octavius Hite
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| Posted: Mon Jun 12, 2006 7:07 pm Post subject: |
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Yes you can blame Bushie for Somalia, there is very clear evidence that the US was backing some of the oppostion Somali groups with weapons and money, they lost and therefore its a loss for Bush. Bush being tied up in Iraq means that the US lacks the resources (either Militarily or Intelligence wise) to stop radical Islamists from organizing and taking control of whole countries.
And Jimmy Carter was not to blmae for the fall of the Shah, that was 30 years of Anglo-American policy that ended the Shah. |
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bucheon bum
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| Posted: Mon Jun 12, 2006 7:09 pm Post subject: |
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| Octavius Hite wrote: |
Yes you can blame Bushie for Somalia, there is very clear evidence that the US was backing some of the oppostion Somali groups with weapons and money, they lost and therefore its a loss for Bush. Bush being tied up in Iraq means that the US lacks the resources (either Militarily or Intelligence wise) to stop radical Islamists from organizing and taking control of whole countries.
And Jimmy Carter was not to blmae for the fall of the Shah, that was 30 years of Anglo-American policy that ended the Shah. |
Well by your logic carter IS to blame. thanks to his insistance about foreign policy about human rights, it made the us gov't look even more hypocritical. We continued to give aid to the shah and armed iran.
If you blame bush simply because he gave financial support to the warlords, I don't know how you can't blame carter. |
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Octavius Hite
Joined: 28 Jan 2004
Location: Househunting, looking for a new bunker from which to convert the world to homosexuality.
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| Posted: Mon Jun 12, 2006 7:40 pm Post subject: |
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No, I blame Bush becasue:
1. He funded the warlords
2. He tied up the Armed forces and intelligence services in Iraq.
3. He excaerbates the Palestian/Israeli conflict by not forcing either side to comprimise and undermining the democratc choice of the Palestianians.
4. He plays a hypocritical game of promoting democracy in Iraq and Afghanistan while backing dictatorships in Pakistan/Saudi Arabia/UAE/Kuwait/Sudan/etc
Those are the reasons. |
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fiveeagles
Joined: 19 May 2005
Location: Vancouver
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| Posted: Thu Jun 15, 2006 6:42 am Post subject: |
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[quote="bucheon bum"]I think his point was merely: Bush's war on terrorism and fundamentalist Islam is a total failure. Islamic fundamentalism is as prevelant and as pervasive as it ever has been.
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Wow, how that has all changed within a week, eh? |
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bigverne
Joined: 12 May 2004
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| Posted: Thu Jun 15, 2006 7:14 am Post subject: |
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| Bush has declared war on Islamofacism |
When did he declare this war? Stop treating Muslims like children, who can never be held accoutable for their problems. |
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sundubuman
Joined: 04 Feb 2003
Location: seoul
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| Posted: Thu Jun 15, 2006 9:00 am Post subject: |
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oh dear octavius.....
who will you blame for your premature balding?
Surely there is a culprit. |
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