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Hollywoodaction
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| bigverne wrote: |
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| Holding up the majority of muslims responsible for the crimes of a minority is simply unjust and illogical. |
Not when opinion polls consistently show a rather large proportion of Muslims support the goals of the terrorists, and not while Muslim clerics in mosques continue to spew hatred. |
The goals, but not necessarilly the means. |
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Grotto
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jaganath69
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| Posted: Sat Jun 17, 2006 7:36 am Post subject: |
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| typical fisk. |
Yep, Fisk is a feckin idiot. Just as he decries the injustice of judging these men pre-trial, he forgets the principle himself in declaring them innocent. |
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On the other hand
Joined: 19 Apr 2003
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| Posted: Sat Jun 17, 2006 7:48 am Post subject: |
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Yep, Fisk is a feckin idiot. Just as he decries the injustice of judging these men pre-trial, he forgets the principle himself in declaring them innocent.
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Legally speaking, I don't think that pronouncing someone innocent before a trial is considered quite the same thing as pronouncing them guilty. I am not a lawyer, but I suspect that would only be a problem if you were to claim that the cops were framing the guy, in which case you would be saying the cops were guilty of a crime.
But as I say, I'm not a lawyer. |
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On the other hand
Joined: 19 Apr 2003
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| Posted: Sat Jun 17, 2006 7:52 am Post subject: |
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| And anyway, I read the article again, and I can't see anywhere where he explcitly states that the men are innocent. |
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bucheon bum
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| Posted: Sat Jun 17, 2006 10:16 am Post subject: |
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Are you serious? If that's all you can come up with, that supports my argument.
#1- edit (misread). Yeah, they blew the crap out of a mosque. How is that taking refuge in one? The natives actually informed the authorities what happened. Considering the terrorists messed up a mosque i'm guessing the local imams were not very thrilled with them. yes, it mentions that mosques have allegedly been involved in assistance, but it does not give any examples. I admit it's probably true they do. That being said, you have to remember that it is war. Not exactly the same situation as what the West is facing.
One is about what happened in Canada. No talk of taking refuge in a mosque, merely what goes on in a mosque (recruitment).
And the others? Iraq, which I freely admitted is one place where it happening.
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Manner of Speaking
Joined: 09 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Sat Jun 17, 2006 6:16 pm Post subject: |
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On the other hand,
Reading either the Globe and Mail or the National Post is a lot like having dinner with a beautiful, well-dressed woman with bad breath.
The package looks nice, but once they open their mouth you're rather revolted at what comes out. 
I haven't read either one for ten years. To my good mental health and well-being.  |
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Grotto
Joined: 21 Mar 2004
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| Posted: Sun Jun 18, 2006 1:36 pm Post subject: |
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| Are you serious? If that's all you can come up with, that supports my argument. |
Thats what I found in all of 2 minutes of glossing through.
If you want more examples do your own research! One of those reports stated that weapons are hidden in mosques...plural! Anyone who thinks differently is deluding themselves!
Lets go to church, grab a gun, get blessed and go out and kill some people.....seems to be a reality!
I know some people who were in Afghanistan and they told me of people going into mosques unarmed and coming out with weapons.....or fleeing masked and armed into mosques and then leaving without their weapons.....the coalition forces knew that there were weapons in the mosques but decided not to go in to keep from upsetting other muslims. |
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bucheon bum
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Sun Jun 18, 2006 2:54 pm Post subject: |
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| Grotto wrote: |
If you want more examples do your own research! One of those reports stated that weapons are hidden in mosques...plural! Anyone who thinks differently is deluding themselves!
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Uh, you made the argument, not me. Yes, mosques, plural, for Iraq, which I have admitted twice now as being one place where it happens.
If you can find an example of it happening here in the west, you get a gold star. |
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Grotto
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| Posted: Mon Jun 19, 2006 11:50 am Post subject: |
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| If you can find an example of it happening here in the west, you get a gold star. |
Just have to get the ol FBI off its butt and do a few raids....i'm sure that they would show up somewhere......just as they would in some of the right wing churches  in certain areas of the States! |
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On the other hand
Joined: 19 Apr 2003
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| Posted: Mon Jun 19, 2006 7:26 pm Post subject: |
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| Just have to get the ol FBI off its butt and do a few raids |
Yes, I'm sure that if the FBI were to abandon their well-known policy of never entering mosques, they would discover many Muslim terrorists, on the lam from all those Muslim terrorist attacks that are occuring in the USA but going unreported in the press. |
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otis
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Let's be honest. The problem with many Muslims is that they are still living in the Middle Ages. That's a mind set that's still prevelent.
Let's compare and contrast.
In the Middle Ages, the Pope used to tell people that, if they invaded Jeruselem and killed lots of people and returned the region to the good white people, then God would forgive their sins. But that was centuries ago.
Muslims are still following that Jihad crap. Cut some guys head off, put it on the internet, get blown up, go to heaven.
Difference? Christians learned how to enjoy a few drinks and relax.
Centuries ago Europeans burnt many women as witches. It was a horrible way to die.
Today Muslims still put women in soccer stadiums and invite people to look on while these women are stoned. That's also a horrible way to die.
Difference? Christian men finally realized that with the proper amount of cosmetics women are actually attractive. And some of them can even cook. A few are still willing to clean and watch the kids. They still talk waaay too much and never listen to a goddam thing men have to say...But what's a boy to do?
Muslims need to crawl out of that dank lilttle cellar they live in and get with the times. And moderate Muslims need to be much more vocal! Then again, I can't blame them for their silence. If they are too vocal, they might be tortured and beheaded on the internet by their crazy brethren. |
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bucheon bum
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| Posted: Thu Jun 22, 2006 1:05 pm Post subject: |
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| yes, saudi arabia and zarqawi=1 billion muslims. |
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bigverne
Joined: 12 May 2004
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| Posted: Fri Jun 23, 2006 2:26 am Post subject: |
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| If I've understand your opinion on the matter, you are opposed to the Bush administration's plans to spread democracy throughout the middle east at gunpoint. Well, guess who else opposes those plans? Pretty much every Muslim tyrant and terrorist in the neighbourhood. So should we judge your opinions on that issue by the company you're keeping? |
That's called guilt by association. Just because I oppose the Bush democracy project, does not mean I agree with the Muslim tyrants in the region.
I am not judging Muslims based on the actions of a few, but am questioning the oft repeated statement that the majority of Muslims are moderate. In fact, many support the goals of the Jihadists in their midst, of which establishing Shariah is the chief aim.
If you Canadians think it is not a problem for people who support extremist agendas to be immigrating to your country, then you are in for one hell of a wake up call. All your multiculturalism, inter-faith dialogue and diversity programmes will count for nothing. In fact, such clear demonstrations of cultural weakness may well have emboldened the Islamic fanatics in your midst. |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Sat Jun 24, 2006 6:28 pm Post subject: |
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| bigverne wrote: |
[ In fact, many support the goals of the Jihadists in their midst, of which establishing Shariah is the chief aim.
If you Canadians think it is not a problem for people who support extremist agendas to be immigrating to your country, then you are in for one hell of a wake up call. All your multiculturalism, inter-faith dialogue and diversity programmes will count for nothing. In fact, such clear demonstrations of cultural weakness may well have emboldened the Islamic fanatics in your midst. |
Actually shariah law IS practised in Canada (at least in Ontario) though I doubt the harsher penalties are meted out. |
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