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Juregen
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| Yu_Bum_suk wrote: |
| As for #2, I'd rather get a wave and a 'Hi!!!' from a kid who's genuinely happy to see me than a bow and formal greeting from an obsequious automatron. As for the rare 'anyeong!' - I'd rather just ignore it and wait til it happens when there's a Korean teacher around. While I generally get a lot of respect from my students I get an enormous amount from my co-workers. |
The first thing i tought my classes was that you never ever say "Hi" to strangers, that it is very rude to do so. I give examples like "anyong", do you tell your parents/grown ups that? "No!", they agree.
I personally hate being yelled at with "Hi" on the streets, i don't reply to those people. Or i use the "How do you do", and then they reply "Fine, Thank you". It is pretty obvious that in Korea, It is not British English they are being tought  . |
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Yu_Bum_suk
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| Posted: Wed Jun 21, 2006 6:48 pm Post subject: |
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| Juregen wrote: |
| Yu_Bum_suk wrote: |
| As for #2, I'd rather get a wave and a 'Hi!!!' from a kid who's genuinely happy to see me than a bow and formal greeting from an obsequious automatron. As for the rare 'anyeong!' - I'd rather just ignore it and wait til it happens when there's a Korean teacher around. While I generally get a lot of respect from my students I get an enormous amount from my co-workers. |
The first thing i tought my classes was that you never ever say "Hi" to strangers, that it is very rude to do so. I give examples like "anyong", do you tell your parents/grown ups that? "No!", they agree.
I personally hate being yelled at with "Hi" on the streets, i don't reply to those people. Or i use the "How do you do", and then they reply "Fine, Thank you". It is pretty obvious that in Korea, It is not British English they are being tought . |
Do you work at a middle or high school and are you actually able to enforce that? I get screams of 'Hi ___________!!!!!!!!' and 'Hello ___________!!!!!!!' from the third and fourth story windows all the time. I can't imagine having to run up there to correct kids, who are just treating me like a celebrity, all the time. I prefer 'good morning / afternoon / evening' but 'hi / hello' is just fine. |
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Juregen
Joined: 30 May 2006
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| Posted: Wed Jun 21, 2006 6:50 pm Post subject: |
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| Yu_Bum_suk wrote: |
Do you work at a middle or high school and are you actually able to enforce that? I get screams of 'Hi ___________!!!!!!!!' and 'Hello ___________!!!!!!!' from the third and fourth story windows all the time. I can't imagine having to run up there to correct kids, who are just treating me like a celebrity, all the time. I prefer 'good morning / afternoon / evening' but 'hi / hello' is just fine. |
I understand your situation, i do not enforce it on the street, but i do in MY classroom.
Together with language i teach then Western etiquettes (huge label i know), and hopefully next time they meet a stranger on the street they remember my plead for politeness. |
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shoeboy
Joined: 23 Apr 2006
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| Posted: Wed Jun 21, 2006 7:26 pm Post subject: |
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| Im not sure whats wrong with saying "Hi." Why would some kid being friendly offend anyone? |
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Jasobang
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| Posted: Wed Jun 21, 2006 7:55 pm Post subject: |
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The kids with their 'Hi's' really don't bother me in the least. If I'm feeling a little like playing along, I usually strut over and start up a conversation. Atleast one of them can speak a little more than your usual greetings. The clowns of the group usually back down rather quickly seeing their buddies show them up.
As far as the OP goes, kids will be kids. They will disrespect you as far as you let them. The only idea of teacher they have is from school. If you don't act like them in some way then they will not see you as a teacher at all. It's a fine line with Korean kids. They really don't know how to play along with teacher and then respect them as they should. It's one way or the other. It's a good cop/bad cop thing that needs to be implimented in order to control the class. |
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Juregen
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| Posted: Wed Jun 21, 2006 7:57 pm Post subject: |
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| shoeboy wrote: |
| Im not sure whats wrong with saying "Hi." Why would some kid being friendly offend anyone? |
Offending is strongly put, more like disturbing.
I tend to follow the culture of the locals.
Children do not say 'Hi' or 'anyoung' to fellow grown-up Koreans.
It creates a misapprehension with the children that anything is allowed with foreigners.
Trust me, that is why a lot of foreingers do not get the respect they deserve from these children, because it creates the image.
It might sound a bit harsh, but imagine that these kids live in a hierarchical world, and they expect it to be so. Culture influence is strong in Korea. |
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Hotpants
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| Posted: Wed Jun 21, 2006 8:06 pm Post subject: |
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| Wow, these kids must be so confused. Their textbooks drill them on 'Hi!" but foreigners don't like to be addressed with it. The homeroom teachers refer to the English teachers always as "(name) teacher" and the kids think this must be the correct way to call their foreign teacher. The kids parents tell their children they are going on vacation to the "Pillipines" and thus the kids develop subsequent vocabulary like 'telepone', 'pilm' and 'elepant'. They hear their Canadian teacher call their fellow national "buddy", they hear their British teacher call their fellow national "friend." How can kids know who should be the correct authoratitive role model for their English language? |
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Yu_Bum_suk
Joined: 25 Dec 2004
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| Posted: Wed Jun 21, 2006 8:39 pm Post subject: |
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| Yu_Bum_suk wrote: |
| As for #2, I'd rather get a wave and a 'Hi!!!' from a kid who's genuinely happy to see me than a bow and formal greeting from an obsequious automatron. As for the rare 'anyeong!' - I'd rather just ignore it and wait til it happens when there's a Korean teacher around. While I generally get a lot of respect from my students I get an enormous amount from my co-workers. |
The first thing i tought my classes was that you never ever say "Hi" to strangers, that it is very rude to do so. I give examples like "anyong", do you tell your parents/grown ups that? "No!", they agree.
I personally hate being yelled at with "Hi" on the streets, i don't reply to those people. Or i use the "How do you do", and then they reply "Fine, Thank you". It is pretty obvious that in Korea, It is not British English they are being tought . |
My classroom's a completely different place, too. In the corridors, outside, and around the school I'm a bizarre entity. I'm the first white person to work at a school of around 500 and there's no way to avoid calls of 'Hi! Hello! Nice to meet you! Teachuh you handsome! I love you! Good morning teachuh! Where are you going?' all the time. If I tried to stop it I'd look like a raving maniac running around trying to make a circle square.
I got a PM from a guy who just started working at a girls high school asking me 'is it normal for girls to yell "Hi Mr ______!" all the time'?
Yep. |
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Yu_Bum_suk
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| Posted: Wed Jun 21, 2006 8:44 pm Post subject: |
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| Wow, these kids must be so confused. Their textbooks drill them on 'Hi!" but foreigners don't like to be addressed with it. The homeroom teachers refer to the English teachers always as "(name) teacher" and the kids think this must be the correct way to call their foreign teacher. The kids parents tell their children they are going on vacation to the "Pillipines" and thus the kids develop subsequent vocabulary like 'telepone', 'pilm' and 'elepant'. They hear their Canadian teacher call their fellow national "buddy", they hear their British teacher call their fellow national "friend." How can kids know who should be the correct authoratitive role model for their English language? |
I wonder sometimes what Korean adults think we are to the children. I was recently helping an elementary teacher make some voice recordings and take some photos for a demonstration class he was doing. He wanted recordings of what I guess he thought was a 'likely scenario' for conversations kids may have with foreigners. Part of his lesson was also on parents' occupations. He was having me ask a couple of his kids 'where is your mother? Is she at work? What does your mother do? Does your mother work?'
I didn't have the heart to tell him that in Canada if I went about randomely asking little boys those questions I'd be arrested on suspicion. |
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Juregen
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| Posted: Wed Jun 21, 2006 9:09 pm Post subject: |
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| Wow, these kids must be so confused. Their textbooks drill them on 'Hi!" but foreigners don't like to be addressed with it. The homeroom teachers refer to the English teachers always as "(name) teacher" and the kids think this must be the correct way to call their foreign teacher. The kids parents tell their children they are going on vacation to the "Pillipines" and thus the kids develop subsequent vocabulary like 'telepone', 'pilm' and 'elepant'. They hear their Canadian teacher call their fellow national "buddy", they hear their British teacher call their fellow national "friend." How can kids know who should be the correct authoratitive role model for their English language? |
I agree completely. |
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some waygug-in
Joined: 25 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Wed Jun 21, 2006 9:23 pm Post subject: |
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| shoeboy wrote: |
| Im not sure whats wrong with saying "Hi." Why would some kid being friendly offend anyone? |
The point is that most, if not all Korean kids don't know the difference between being friendly and being.........well.........offensive.
I don't mind if a kid says hi to my face, I usually respond with a hello back.
It's when they scream it from behind you, trying to get some kind of reaction that it becomes offensive.
I once had a kid scream hi in my ear as I was exiting the subway. I was on the way up, he was coming down. He was shocked by my reaction, but the point is: if they wouldn't do it to a Korean adult, why on earth do they think it's OK to do it to a foreigner?
I've also had the joy of having some persistant adolescent follow me into the men's room and stand beside me screaming "hi" in my ear as I was taking a whizz.  Wtf? |
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jinju
Joined: 22 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Wed Jun 21, 2006 10:59 pm Post subject: |
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| The hi thing is extremely rude. Especially when you get it from "kids" who should really know better. Especially middle and highschool kids. Yu Bum Suk will say that its harmless fun, but thats not true. The older the kids get the more likely that the hi/hello assault is just that: an assault. These brats would never scream hello at an older Korean, so why do they scream at foreigners? With older kids its basically trying to get a rise out of their friends and show how "cool" they are by insulting a foreigner. I would say that with middle schoolers, thats the motivation of 70% of these hello drive-by assaults. With highschoolers, I cant believe that there is any other possible motivation. |
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Son Deureo!
Joined: 30 Apr 2003
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| Posted: Wed Jun 21, 2006 11:10 pm Post subject: |
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| Im not sure whats wrong with saying "Hi." Why would some kid being friendly offend anyone? |
Just got here, huh? Don't worry, you'll figure it out. |
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Hotpants
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To add: One of the first greetings I received in Korea was actually not 'hi' but 'go to hell'. I was so surprised how many kids know this phrase. I've never learnt this expression in the early stages of any of the 2nd languages that I've learnt. How do you explain to youngsters that the language they catch from Hollywood movies is not a universally accepted form of language exchange?
Do you think we are really making any difference? It seems to me that on many occasions I will have taught an expression and thereafter hear the kids using a completely different form which someone else has taught them. One case in point: My text book phrase: "They're one Dollar each." Still, my kids are using "They're one Dollar per (apple)." I never introduced the 'per' expression. What is my role???? |
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Apple Scruff
Joined: 29 Oct 2003
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| Posted: Thu Jun 22, 2006 6:04 pm Post subject: Re: No respect for Foreigners |
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Are there any people here that have experienced complete disrespect????
Some of the students are completely disrespectful towards me. Using bad language and not listening to what I have to say. Running about as if what I say didn't even matter. Using bamal. I think these little pissants don't know how to treat a foreign teacher.
Just because I am a foreign person, does this mean I am not an adult? Shoulden't be respected as others are??? What ever I do to punish these little brats, they think is funny. I lose my voice in this class in 10 minutes.
Is there a good way to set boundaries for these punks? I can't explain anything to them because they can't speak very much English? |
Groundbreaking observations. |
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