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hatter
Joined: 02 Jun 2006
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Posted: Sat Jun 24, 2006 4:46 pm Post subject: Safety in Korea |
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Okay...although I am 29 years old, and have been living in Chicago for 5 years, my mother is afraid for my saftey in Korea.
I will be arriving in Seoul and may need to stay overnight before traveling to a camp where I will be teaching the next day...
Is there a "safest" way to do this? I feel pretty confident, but I am very American looking and a female. Are there any words of advice or positive feedback I can pass along?
Thanks,
Beth
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Captain Corea

Joined: 28 Feb 2005 Location: Seoul
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Posted: Sat Jun 24, 2006 5:06 pm Post subject: |
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What are the things you (or your mother) are worried about? |
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huffdaddy
Joined: 25 Nov 2005
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Posted: Sat Jun 24, 2006 6:18 pm Post subject: Re: Safety in Korea |
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hatter wrote: |
Okay...although I am 29 years old, and have been living in Chicago for 5 years, my mother is afraid for my saftey in Korea.
I will be arriving in Seoul and may need to stay overnight before traveling to a camp where I will be teaching the next day...
Is there a "safest" way to do this? I feel pretty confident, but I am very American looking and a female. Are there any words of advice or positive feedback I can pass along?
Thanks,
Beth |
Welcome. I lived in Chicago for 15 years. What neighborhood did you live in? The difference between Seoul and Chicago is like night and day. Some of the differences are bad (no lake front, no nice architecture, no Chicago piazza ), and some the differences are good (very low crime, cheap subway, 24 hour access to booze). Probably your biggest danger in Korea will be getting run over by a motor scooter on the sidewalk. Seriously.
BTW - what's an American look like? I have a hard time telling the difference between Americans, Brits, Irish, Aussies, and Kiwis on sight. Your biggest worry would be if you looked Russian.
P.S. Edit your topic and spell "safety" correctly. Your second biggest danger in Korea is that someone on Dave's will flame your spelling and call you unfit for teaching.
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steroidmaximus

Joined: 27 Jan 2003 Location: GangWon-Do
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Posted: Sat Jun 24, 2006 6:25 pm Post subject: |
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reminds me of a popular slogan on bumpers:
Saftey First
Of course the funniest time I saw this was on an SUV that had just rear-ended an SM5 . . .
Your safety will only be in danger while driving or walking alone in a seedy part of town, pretty much the same as in Chicago. Here you also have to watch how much your hogwon or camp owner will try to steal from you; here they also call it 'being competitive', just like in the US. |
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jessiaka
Joined: 07 Jan 2006
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Posted: Sat Jun 24, 2006 9:10 pm Post subject: |
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I have to agree with huffdaddy that the thing you should be most worried about is getting hit by a scooter on the sidewalk, hahaha!
Anyways if you're wondering about how safe it is for a female to walk around out here during the day and at night, etc and in regards to the men...
I must say that even if you're blonde and look Russian (like I did my first year in Korea, my hair is brunette now but not because of the comments, because the water here trashed it and it got too dry to bleach anymore) you've pretty much got nothing to worry about. The worst I got was some old man smacking his lips at me and I just walked away. You'll hear lots of, "russia!! russia!" but I just corrected them and said "Canada!" and they'd be like "OOOO!!".
Very nice people as a whole, you shouldn't run into any trouble. I often wander around alone and have had no problems!
It's stupidly safe out here! A kind of shocking but very refreshing change to the big cities back home  |
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pet lover
Joined: 02 Jan 2004 Location: not in Seoul
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Posted: Sat Jun 24, 2006 9:26 pm Post subject: |
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If you have to spend the night upon arrival, you hail a taxi and get in. The back, not the front. Ask them to take you to a yogwan. (cheap hotel) If the driver is nice at all, he will help you take your luggage out of the taxi. If he's even nicer (or thinks he has a chance with you) he might even bring it all the way into the yogwan.
"Yo-gwan ga ju-say-yo" (please take me to a cheap little hotel)
The taxi driver will take you to a yogwan and you will spend the night there. You might hear some lovemaking sounds as these hotels are not called "love hotels" for nothing. But, it's likely that the driver will take you to a more upscale one than a totally sleezy one. In fact, I've been here since 1997 and NEVER had a taxi driver take me to a totally sleezy one. A real hotel is incredibly expensive. In the morning, when you turn in the key to leave (you will pay upfront, by the way), you can mime using the phone and say "Tack-shee ju-say-yo" That should get them calling a cab for you so you don't have to lug your luggage around looking for one. Smile a lot, that always helps and it may or may not get the person behind the counter offering to help you take your bags outside. Be sure to say "Kahm-sa-hahm-nee-da" or Koh-mahp-soom-nee-da" (thank you) to the yogwan people and the taxi drivers.
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THe more bright-eyed and in awe you act while in the taxi, the more ooohing and aaaahing you do at everything you see, the more you exclaim audibly about how beautiful everything is, the more puffed up with pride the taxi driver is going to be over his country, the more likely he is going to bend over backwards to make sure you get to a good place and everything goes smoothly and the LESS likely he is to try to pull anything on you, be it overcharging you, driving you really far from the airport, or scarier things like inappropriate touching, gestures, etc. That works in lots of situations, by the way. |
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VanIslander

Joined: 18 Aug 2003 Location: Geoje, Hadong, Tongyeong,... now in a small coastal island town outside Gyeongsangnamdo!
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Posted: Sat Jun 24, 2006 9:29 pm Post subject: |
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bring a gun
watch out for the gangs
don't wear anything American
lock all your doors and windows
and you'll be just fine |
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kingplaya4
Joined: 14 May 2006
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Posted: Sat Jun 24, 2006 10:34 pm Post subject: |
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How will my physical safety be if I wear the shirt with the Swiss fucking the Korean player? |
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maeil
Joined: 09 Jan 2006 Location: Haebangchon
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Posted: Sat Jun 24, 2006 10:58 pm Post subject: |
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I would say Korea is generally safer than where I'm from (Boston).. I'm more comfortable walking around at night, not worried about shootings of any kind, and I always feel safe on the public transportation system here.
HOWEVER, don't be unaware. I do, rather frequently actually, have problems with men here. (I'm 23, tall, blonde, thin etc.) I've been groped, followed, and once actually two men grabbed me and tried to pull me into some bushes. They don't expect you to fight back though. I've seen so many more penises and so much more public ma$turbation here than I ever would want to... and I live in the suburbs. I understand that these people aren't representative of the whole population... but this never ever happened to me back home.
So, yeah. Don't be frightened of living here, but don't be totally clueless, either. |
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kingplaya4
Joined: 14 May 2006
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Posted: Sat Jun 24, 2006 11:16 pm Post subject: |
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I hope its safer than Boston. I lived there for awhile in college and got beaten up my first day there. |
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Roch
Joined: 24 Apr 2003 Location: Seoul
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Posted: Sat Jun 24, 2006 11:43 pm Post subject: Re: Safety in Korea |
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[quote="huffdaddy"]
hatter wrote: |
Okay...although I am 29 years old, and have been living in Chicago for 5 years, my mother is afraid for my saftey in Korea.
I will be arriving in Seoul and may need to stay overnight before traveling to a camp where I will be teaching the next day...
Is there a "safest" way to do this? I feel pretty confident, but I am very American looking and a female. Are there any words of advice or positive feedback I can pass along?
Thanks,
Beth |
Welcome. I lived in Chicago for 15 years. What neighborhood did you live in? The difference between Seoul and Chicago is like night and day. Some of the differences are bad (no lake front, no nice architecture, no Chicago piazza :( ), and some the differences are good (very low crime...,
There is a lot of crime in this nation: Mega-prostitution; Assault; Break and Enter; Kidnapping; Contract and Securities Fraud; Rape; and, whether you want to believe it or not, largely unrecorded, occasional lynchings against foreigners on the streets, in the clubs/night clubs, and on the "cheap" subway. These seem to top the list. Check my claim out for yourself if you are sceptical about my post.
24 hour access to booze: It's overpriced, so keep this fact in mind.
Probably your biggest danger in Korea will be falling victim to the widespread lies in the Korean media about the sociological and moral state of the nation. The poster who answered your inquiry appears to not know the real deal about the Real Korea. Foreign experts know; check them out (e.g., Michael Breen, et-al).
Getting run over by a motor scooter or car on the sidewalk is a real threat. Seriously. Hepatitis, I'd say, is another real threat due to the fact that at least 10% of the Korean people carry one of the Hep Vira.
BTW - what's an American look like? I have a hard time telling the difference between Americans, Brits, Irish, Aussies, and Kiwis on sight.
Koreans do, too. Your biggest worry would be if you looked Russian: You'd be acused of being a cheaper *beep* than the local ones in Apgujeong or some other wealthy area for the mega prostitution industry(#3 or #4 business in the nation - right behind the massively subsidised agricultural sector of the economy).
P.S. Edit your topic and spell "safety" correctly. Your second biggest danger in Korea is that someone on Dave's will flame your spelling and call you unfit for teaching or that one may question my ignorance of this developing country and its serious organised crime, public hygeine, and general lawlessness problem. |
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kingplaya4
Joined: 14 May 2006
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Posted: Sun Jun 25, 2006 12:29 am Post subject: |
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Could you elaborate a little on the "lynching of foreigners"? I assume that term isn't literal. Also is this a nationwide problem or just in Seoul? |
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huffdaddy
Joined: 25 Nov 2005
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Posted: Sun Jun 25, 2006 3:12 am Post subject: Re: Safety in Korea |
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Roch Reality wrote: |
There is a lot of crime in this nation: Mega-prostitution; Assault; Break and Enter; Kidnapping; Contract and Securities Fraud; Rape; and, whether you want to believe it or not, largely unrecorded, occasional lynchings against foreigners on the streets, in the clubs/night clubs, and on the "cheap" subway. These seem to top the list. Check my claim out for yourself if you are sceptical about my post. |
Umm, okay. What the heck, I'll bite. At least the OP was asking about crime so we're sorta staying on topic. There may be "a lot of crime". But most of it won't concern the average person walking down the street. You'll have to provide some evidence to say that there is "a lot of crime" compared to Chicago. Especially violent crime and random violent crime. Chicago chalks up about 600 homicides a year. What are the numbers for Korea?
Prostitution: localized around red-light districts and certain business establishments. Not much of a concern unless the OP plans on making a little money on the side.
Assault: Mainly domestic violence and squabbles between known assailants. I've never heard of people getting randomly smacked on the street.
Kidnapping: How many strangers get kidnapped? How does it compare to say Mexico or Columbia?
"Lynchings": Most are probably in clubs, or in some way involve alchohol and / or obnoxious behavior.
Contract and Securities Fraud: To the OP - yes, please be careful about coming over and investing all of your money with some random guy on the street your first day here.
Rape: Women seem to complain about random gropings, so rape may be problem. But I think reasonable precautions will keep her safe. Given the average size of the Korean man, at least foreign women have a fighting chance to fend off any assailant.
http://answers.google.com/answers/threadview?id=3231
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Rape per 100,000.
1. United States 34.20
2. England and Wales 14.69
3. France 13.38
Taiwan 8.82
South Korea 4.38
Spain 3.23
Japan 1.48 |
Now, how about providing some solid numbers to substantiate your claims?
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SPINOZA
Joined: 10 Jun 2005 Location: $eoul
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Posted: Sun Jun 25, 2006 3:37 am Post subject: |
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I'm pretty sure Roch was joking, guys.
Chicago vs Seoul? Jesus God, that's actually funny.
Road safety tip: when the green man starts flashing, always look left and right first, since cars go through several seconds after it starts flashing. I've been nearly run over twice when crossing, both by middle-aged female drivers too (just to get my customary 'ist'-comment in). |
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sjrm
Joined: 27 Jul 2005
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Posted: Sun Jun 25, 2006 3:41 am Post subject: |
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SPINOZA wrote: |
Road safety tip: when the green man starts flashing, always look left and right first, since cars go through several seconds after it starts flashing. I've been nearly run over twice when crossing, both by middle-aged female drivers too. |
you're lucky it's only been twice. maybe i'm just unlucky, but it seems to happen to me at least once a month, even after looking both ways twice. |
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