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Octavius Hite · Posted: Thu Jun 22, 2006 3:49 pm Post subject:

I didn't defend terrorists, but I can see you read right from the Republican manual when it comes to dicussing this problem. I'm for doing whatever it takes to win the longterm war and protect my way of life. If violence worked Israel would be one of the afest and most prosperous countries in the world, its not. Its safety is tenous at best and its prospertity is directly linked to American intervention and help. I just want real solutions and violence is rarely one of them, but keep drinking the O'reilly/Hannity/Coulter koolaid!

sundubuman · Joined: 04 Feb 2003 Location: seoul

Your analogy to Israel is typical.

you wrote
If violence worked Israel would be one of the safest and most prosperous countries in the world, its not.

When what a sane person would write is

If violence worked Palestine would be one of the safest and most prosperous countries in the world, its not.

Octavius Hite · Posted: Thu Jun 22, 2006 6:32 pm Post subject:

Nice try, but I'm not an anti-semite either but keep bringing the Ann Coulter play book out and you'll feel better. I compared Israel and the US because they are comparable Westernised, Liberal Democracys, they are both relative secular states and they have similar lifestyles and standards of living. That is why i compared the two, you inferred that I was comparing them because I hate Israel or America which is simply untrue. They both face the same enemy and both have failed in their attempts at dealing with them. I'm calling for a new strategy, something that will actually work. But you "stay the course, spend more, kill more, die more" people are the real problem.

TheUrbanMyth · Joined: 28 Jan 2003 Location: Retired

Beej · Joined: 05 Mar 2005 Location: Eungam Loop

sundubuman · Joined: 04 Feb 2003 Location: seoul

maybe Octavius is thinking of the mass conversion to Islam option. After all, that's the declared goal of most of the hard-core Islamists. I doubt they'd settle for regaining their control of Afghanistan.

But if every woman in Iowa, Japan, and Australia would just don the veil, give up their driver's licenses, and we could all just agree to have the Imams run the planet, peace indeed could be achived.

Is that your plan?? Because it's the only one that will work. Just look how peaceful all of the Muslim countries are.

ddeubel · Joined: 20 Jul 2005

daskalos · Joined: 19 May 2006 Location: The Road to Ithaca

Let's just say I don't keep up with things. Can anyone tell me if Al Qaeda does have a list of demands, conditions the West can meet by way of patching things up?

I suspect there is nothing, that fanatic devotion to a cause acts like a narcotic, and that even if we did offer them everything they wish, the pull of that drug would prove too strong -- one thing I've learned is that you can take away what someone loves rather easily, but people will not be parted from their hatreds, especially fanatical hatreds.

But are there articulated terms of surrender? If so, what are they?

Beej · Joined: 05 Mar 2005 Location: Eungam Loop

Octavius Hite · Posted: Sun Jun 25, 2006 4:46 pm Post subject:

Uh read Richard Clarke's book Against all Enemies. In the book Clarke talks about Al-Qaeda's demands: 1. Leave the holy land (no bases on the Arabian penensula) 2. Stop supporting Israel 3. Stop propping up Arab dictators

That's all they want. Those are the demands.

1 and 3 are easy to meet. The 2nd one is a problem but America could certainly do a better job of being more impartial in that conflict.

Beej · Joined: 05 Mar 2005 Location: Eungam Loop

Octavius Hite · Posted: Sun Jun 25, 2006 6:32 pm Post subject:

First off, the US just took out one of the nastiest dictators after empowering him for years (pre-1991). Don't forget that it was the CIA giving him satellite photo's of Iranian positions so that they could use WMD against the Iranians.

How do you think it looks to the Arab world when we do things like that. As for the mistreatment of christians in muslim countries do go, thats a choice, lets leave the middle east and stay out of it but we can't because we need their oil. Cause and effect guys, if you want to end this foolishness violence will not accomplish this.

Kuros · Joined: 27 Apr 2004

Octavius Hite · Posted: Sun Jun 25, 2006 8:13 pm Post subject:

Well, you are arguing for extermination, you don't say that but thats the only real option if we are not to cede to the demands (both reasonable and unreasonable) then we must exterminate any Muslim who doesn't want McDonald's in Mecca, any Muslim who has cojones to object to Guantanamo Bay, any Muslim who is angry over the Israeli or American occupations in the Middle East. Hmm, your plan sounds like a resounding success. Sign me up.

Beej · Joined: 05 Mar 2005 Location: Eungam Loop