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SOOHWA101
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Well maybe thats true, but what is really sad is when a country fights a stupid drug war that it lost 50 years ago but refuses to accept defeat. Instead the government run by a bunch of self-interested, big pharma lobby interests, moral hypocrites pretends that war is somehow relevant and important to a modern country. Meanwhile the same country's schools are crumbling, it lacks basic healthcare for its citizens and can't even balance its own books.
I'll take Canada's minor role in Afghanistan anytime. |
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| Wake up and actually read what I wrote. |
I suggest you follow your own advice! |
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Octavius Hite
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Location: Househunting, looking for a new bunker from which to convert the world to homosexuality.
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| Posted: Wed Jun 28, 2006 10:21 pm Post subject: |
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| That point was there to express that the failed "War on Drugs" is not fought to help save people's lives, its fought by moral hypocrites (Bush and his blow, Clinton and his weed) who are beholden to big pharma. The War on Drugs is about oppression and greed, not helping people, and any intellegent person who has ever read a fact based book about the war knows that. |
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SOOHWA101
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| Posted: Wed Jun 28, 2006 10:37 pm Post subject: |
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| and any intellegent person who has ever read a fact based book about the war knows that. |
Who is the author? Nothing written is completely unbiased, and have you read the opposing view? The truth lies in the middle my friend.
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| The War on Drugs is about oppression and greed, not helping people. |
Don't tell me you really believe this. Cynics are correct 9 times out of 10, but this is that 1 time my boy. Let me guess, a Liberal Arts Major. |
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Octavius Hite
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| Posted: Wed Jun 28, 2006 10:45 pm Post subject: |
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| Are you saying the war on drugs has worked? Please do site one example of a country without an illegal narcotics trade. I will wait. |
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SOOHWA101
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| Posted: Wed Jun 28, 2006 11:01 pm Post subject: |
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| Are you saying the war on drugs has worked? Please do site one example of a country without an illegal narcotics trade. I will wait. |
So now you are saying legalize all drugs if the fight can't be won. Name a country that has conquered any vice. I will wait. |
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Nowhere Man
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| Posted: Wed Jun 28, 2006 11:12 pm Post subject: ... |
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| The truth lies in the middle my friend. |
And this is a logical fallacy, pal. |
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SOOHWA101
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| Posted: Wed Jun 28, 2006 11:18 pm Post subject: Re: ... |
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| The truth lies in the middle my friend. |
And this is a logical fallacy, pal. |
Please explain. |
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Octavius Hite
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| Posted: Wed Jun 28, 2006 11:47 pm Post subject: |
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| Im not saying legalization is the right way, but the current American guided and run War on Drugs is a total failure so perhpas a change is in order. |
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SOOHWA101
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| Posted: Wed Jun 28, 2006 11:54 pm Post subject: |
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| Octavius Hite wrote: |
| Im not saying legalization is the right way, but the current American guided and run War on Drugs is a total failure so perhpas a change is in order. |
I agree. But what works? Americans have a ferocious appetite for "drugs." Sad but true. |
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Octavius Hite
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| Posted: Wed Jun 28, 2006 11:56 pm Post subject: |
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Well, and this is where me and conservatives agree on something, everytime we let the government run something, they really screw it up:
education, healthcare, the environment. So if we want people to stop using drugs, let the government run it, no surer way to ruin it. |
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SOOHWA101
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| Posted: Thu Jun 29, 2006 12:03 am Post subject: |
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| Octavius Hite wrote: |
Well, and this is where me and conservatives agree on something, everytime we let the government run something, they really screw it up:
education, healthcare, the environment. So if we want people to stop using drugs, let the government run it, no surer way to ruin it. |
But that still leaves an un-answered question: what does the world do? It is not the US who is the sole consumer of heroin.
This is my point, it's not Bush's fault that the world consumes products of the poppy. It's not the citizens of the former Taliban that are at fault either, because there is a market ALL over the world. Here in lies the problem: blame the pusher or the consumer. No consumer, well then there would be no pusher. |
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Nowhere Man
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| Posted: Thu Jun 29, 2006 12:14 am Post subject: ... |
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Who is the author? Nothing written is completely unbiased, and have you read the opposing view? The truth lies in the middle my friend.
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Fallacy: Middle Ground
Also Known as: Golden Mean Fallacy, Fallacy of Moderation
Description of Middle Ground
This fallacy is committed when it is assumed that the middle position between two extremes must be correct simply because it is the middle position. this sort of "reasoning" has the following form:
1. Position A and B are two extreme positions.
2. C is a position that rests in the middle between A and B.
3. Therefore C is the correct position.
This line of "reasoning" is fallacious because it does not follow that a position is correct just because it lies in the middle of two extremes. This is shown by the following example. Suppose that a person is selling his computer. He wants to sell it for the current market value, which is $800 and someone offers him $1 for it. It would hardly follow that $400.50 is the proper price. |
http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/middle-ground.html
And as long as I'm posting this, where's Gopher? |
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SOOHWA101
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| Posted: Thu Jun 29, 2006 12:32 am Post subject: Re: ... |
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Who is the author? Nothing written is completely unbiased, and have you read the opposing view? The truth lies in the middle my friend.
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Fallacy: Middle Ground
Also Known as: Golden Mean Fallacy, Fallacy of Moderation
Description of Middle Ground
This fallacy is committed when it is assumed that the middle position between two extremes must be correct simply because it is the middle position. this sort of "reasoning" has the following form:
1. Position A and B are two extreme positions.
2. C is a position that rests in the middle between A and B.
3. Therefore C is the correct position.
This line of "reasoning" is fallacious because it does not follow that a position is correct just because it lies in the middle of two extremes. This is shown by the following example. Suppose that a person is selling his computer. He wants to sell it for the current market value, which is $800 and someone offers him $1 for it. It would hardly follow that $400.50 is the proper price. |
http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/middle-ground.html
And as long as I'm posting this, where's Gopher? |
You can't be serious. We are talking about ideology and you are placing a numerical value to the discussion?
Let me explain. The expression "The answer lies somewhere in the middle" is not meant as a literal or parallel denotation. Ideology holds no ordinal or even cardinal measure, but rather belief. Take Democratic and Republican platforms for instance, if you adhere entirely to one paradigm or the other, you are an utter and complete FOOL. You simply acknowledge that you fall somewhere in-between. Meaning that some aspects you believe in, and others you do not. Logic is not a set of rules that dictate human thought, action, or even dispute, nor does it govern the universe. I think that you have been watching to much Star Trek my friend. 
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Octavius Hite
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SOOHWA101, Im not blaming the Bushie for the herion or any other drug, I'm blaming him and every president since the turn of the 20th century (give or take) for fighting a War on Drugs. It hasn't worked and it has never come close to working. Whenever you make something illegal you make it dangerous because then criminals get involved with it.
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Prostitution, in America where it is illegal women are regularly raped/abused and murdered. In Western Europe this activity is regulated so it is safe.
Marijuana, in America and Canada where it is illegal it is totally controled by organized crime. In Holland its regulated and controlled much more strigently and it works.
Booze, when the US started prohibition, it didn't stop people from drinking it just allowed gangsters (and a few canadian buisnessmen) to make millions while endangering people's lives due to bootleg booze.
I say, legalize it, regulate it, tax it and take all that money out of the hands of gangsters and terrorists and use it to build treatment clinics and AIDS hospices and new schools. |
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Kuros
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| Posted: Thu Jun 29, 2006 1:08 am Post subject: Re: ... |
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Who is the author? Nothing written is completely unbiased, and have you read the opposing view? The truth lies in the middle my friend.
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Fallacy: Middle Ground
Also Known as: Golden Mean Fallacy, Fallacy of Moderation
Description of Middle Ground
This fallacy is committed when it is assumed that the middle position between two extremes must be correct simply because it is the middle position. this sort of "reasoning" has the following form:
1. Position A and B are two extreme positions.
2. C is a position that rests in the middle between A and B.
3. Therefore C is the correct position.
This line of "reasoning" is fallacious because it does not follow that a position is correct just because it lies in the middle of two extremes. This is shown by the following example. Suppose that a person is selling his computer. He wants to sell it for the current market value, which is $800 and someone offers him $1 for it. It would hardly follow that $400.50 is the proper price. |
http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/middle-ground.html
And as long as I'm posting this, where's Gopher? |
Heh, Aristotle totally worked this fallacy.
Virtue is a mean? Who would believe that? |
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