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Tiberious aka Sparkles
Joined: 23 Jan 2003
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Here's an eye roll back to ya!  
Do I have to explain why this is a stupid thread? Sony doesn't black people? Yeah, right. Like Sony is going to purposely piss off a sizeable part of their market. Next thing you know Sparkles will be writing "Nike doesn't like black people?" |
The thread title was an obvious riff on the Kanye "George Bush doesn't like black people" quote. I'm sorry you're pop culture-reference challenged. Please let me know a suitable charity to which I may donate monies to assist the tough plight of you and others similarly afflicted.
No, I don't believe Sony hates black people. Brands can't hate; that's stupid. But the "creative minds" behind the ad and the execs who approved it, that's another matter.
Or do you find the ad completely innocent, and me too much of a bleeding-heart liberal?
Let's look at the ad's message: Sony, for whatever reason, wants people to consider its white PSP model as flashy (ironic, given the color), it's original black as plain and dull. As symbols they use a plainly dressed, sexually ambiguous black person being dominated by a sexy, fashionable white woman. The message is recepted thusly: black is dull, white is hip.
Which would be fine (though, again, still dumb, given that the color is plain white), were it not people and skin color used to symbolize this, and the aggresive tone of the advertisement. Seriously, no one thought geez, we might catch some flak for this. This might conjure up some negative connotations of slavery.?
Here's a little mental scenario for you: replace the white woman with an Asian one, and put the ad up in Korea. Is it not racist? Or flip the roles of the white and black women. Again, is it not racist?
Sony deserves any backlash they receive.
Sparkles*_* |
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TheFonz
Joined: 01 Dec 2005
Location: North Georgia
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| Posted: Thu Jul 06, 2006 9:01 am Post subject: |
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Sonny Black |
Great book by the way. One of my favs.
I agree that ad is asking for controversy. |
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Lyrt
Joined: 26 May 2004
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| Posted: Thu Jul 06, 2006 9:22 am Post subject: |
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| The message is recepted thusly: black is dull, white is hip. |
You�re incorrect.
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The King of Kwangju
Joined: 10 Feb 2003
Location: New York City
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| Posted: Thu Jul 06, 2006 12:39 pm Post subject: |
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| Tiberious aka Sparkles wrote: |
The thread title was an obvious riff on the Kanye "George Bush doesn't like black people" quote. |
Actually he said "George Bush doesn't care about black people."
A subtle but significant difference. |
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TheFonz
Joined: 01 Dec 2005
Location: North Georgia
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| Posted: Thu Jul 06, 2006 2:28 pm Post subject: |
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| The King of Kwangju wrote: |
| Tiberious aka Sparkles wrote: |
The thread title was an obvious riff on the Kanye "George Bush doesn't like black people" quote. |
Actually he said "George Bush doesn't care about black people."
A subtle but significant difference. |
All pickiness aside, I immediately got the reference and chuckled. |
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cdninkorea
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Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Thu Jul 06, 2006 7:52 pm Post subject: |
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| No No, you got it wrong. George W. Bush doesn't like black people....or rather hates them.... Even better the entire republican party hates them. |
I suppose this must explain why the Republican party has so many black people in it.
And I guess it also explains former Republican president Abraham Lincoln's 1863 Emancipation Proclaimation.
Or why more Republicans in Congress voted for the 1964 Civil Rights Act than Democrats (Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_Rights_Act_of_1964#By_Party) |
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mindmetoo
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| Posted: Thu Jul 06, 2006 9:34 pm Post subject: |
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| Man, first Cristal comes out 'n' disses their black consumers and now... |
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cdninkorea
Joined: 27 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Thu Jul 06, 2006 11:22 pm Post subject: |
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| mindmetoo wrote: |
| Man, first Cristal comes out 'n' disses their black consumers and now... |
Hip-hop culture and black culture are not synonymous terms. For one, the demographic that buys more rap and hip-hop CDs than any other is rich white males between the ages of 18-24.
Second, there are lots of black people who don't fit under the hip-hop category. I doubt Cristal would mind if Bill Cosby, Colin Powell, Oprah, Thomas Sowell, Hines Ward, etc. liked their champagne. What they're taking issue with is the hip-hop subculture.
You might be thinking: "okay, okay, what's the big deal? Why is this stupid Canuck flying off the handle about this?"
Because whenever I critisize hip-hop culture (and I do) I get called 'racist." But hip-hop is not a race, it's a sub-culture. If anything I'm sub-cultureist, and I have nothing against black people as a whole. |
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Tiberious aka Sparkles
Joined: 23 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Fri Jul 07, 2006 12:02 am Post subject: |
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So what you're saying is that you have a problem with hip-hop?
[sharpens knife]
Sparkles*_* |
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Leslie Cheswyck
Joined: 31 May 2003
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| Posted: Fri Jul 07, 2006 12:06 am Post subject: |
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The Beatles don't like black people.
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Tiberious aka Sparkles
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| Posted: Fri Jul 07, 2006 12:10 am Post subject: |
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But the Stones do:
(Just realized there's a comma in the song's title. Why? Are they trying to send a message to some guy named Black?)
Sparkles*_* |
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Leslie Cheswyck
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| Posted: Fri Jul 07, 2006 12:13 am Post subject: |
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Don't get me started on this guy...
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Satori
Joined: 09 Dec 2005
Location: Above it all
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| Posted: Fri Jul 07, 2006 2:03 am Post subject: |
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| The message is recepted thusly: black is dull, white is hip. |
You�re incorrect.
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Hmmm, didn't see this pic in the OPs post. This complicates the issue abit. The pic in the OP, if it was the only image of the campaign, did look suspect. Now, I guess we have real disscussion on our hands... |
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huffdaddy
Joined: 25 Nov 2005
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| Posted: Fri Jul 07, 2006 3:30 am Post subject: |
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| No No, you got it wrong. George W. Bush doesn't like black people....or rather hates them.... Even better the entire republican party hates them. |
I suppose this must explain why the Republican party has so many black people in it. |
yup, at least 7 % of blacks are Republican. see here
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And I guess it also explains former Republican president Abraham Lincoln's 1863 Emancipation Proclaimation. |
Freeing the Confederate's slaves. Very effective.
You mean this:
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By Party
The Original House Version:
Democratic Party: 153-96 (61%-39%)
Republican Party: 138-34 (80%-20%)
Democratic Party: 46-22 (68%-32%)
Republican Party: 27-6 (82%-18%)
The Senate Version, voted on by the House:
Democratic Party: 153-91 (63%-37%)
Republican Party: 136-35 (80%-20%)
Switches in position:
"Yea" to "Nay": Earl Wilson (R-IN), Bob Wilson (R-CA), and Charlotte T. Reid (R-IL)
"Nay" to "Yea": John Jacob Rhodes (R-AZ), J. Edward Hutchinson (R-MI), and Charles Weltner (D-GA).
By Party and Region
The Original House Version:
Southern Democrats: 7-87 (7%-93%)
Southern Republicans: 0-10 (0%-100%)
Northern Democrats: 145-9 (94%-6%)
Northern Republicans: 138-24 (85%-15%)
The Senate Version:
Southern Democrats: 1-20 (5%-95%)
Southern Republicans: 0-1 (0%-100%)
Northern Democrats: 45-1 (98%-2%)
Northern Republicans: 27-5 (84%-16%) |
In fact, more Democrats voted for it. Okay, so percentagewise, the Republicans got them beat. But take away the Dixiecrats and it's back in the Dems favor. Not to mention the President who pushed it through. |
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Tiberious aka Sparkles
Joined: 23 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Fri Jul 07, 2006 3:41 am Post subject: |
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| Satori wrote: |
| Lyrt wrote: |
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| The message is recepted thusly: black is dull, white is hip. |
You�re incorrect.
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Hmmm, didn't see this pic in the OPs post. This complicates the issue abit. The pic in the OP, if it was the only image of the campaign, did look suspect. Now, I guess we have real disscussion on our hands... |
There's no copy accompanying it. I think I read that it's on Sony's website, or part of a magazine spread. Regardless, the UK billboard was stand-alone.
AND it's still a terrible f*cking idea, using skin colors to symbolize a video game system.
Sparkles*_* |
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