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flakfizer

Joined: 12 Nov 2004
Location: scaling the Cliffs of Insanity with a frayed rope.

Posted: Mon Jul 10, 2006 12:32 am Post subject:

Troll_Bait wrote:

And I hope that you don't take a page out of FiveEagles' playbook and start complaining that you're being harassed because you're a Christian ("I'm being persecuted by evil-doers [atheists, agnostics, Buddhists, Muslims, and whatever other assorted bogeymen live inside your head] because of my righteousness!").

After thinking about it for a while, I am offended by your post. Apparently you prefer to think that all Christians think, act and talk like 5Eagles. The fact that you would expect me to act or talk like him shows that you don't pay attention to individuals but lazily lump all Christians together in a way that enables you to assume the worst about them.

fiveeagles

Joined: 19 May 2005
Location: Vancouver

Posted: Mon Jul 10, 2006 1:47 am Post subject:

laogaiguk wrote:

Qinella wrote:

Why did Fiveeagles ditch out on this thread?

I think he is use to people just making fun of him, and he can then easily attack back without ever answering anything he doesn't want to. Unfortunately, everyone now is posting on questions, no attacks. And even worse, the questions are logical and would probably make him have to think. I don't blame him for jetting.

Patience. I had to get some things done. Don't worry, you can't get rid of me so easy.

I also like to hear what everyone has to say. A lot of good thoughts. Smile

fiveeagles

Joined: 19 May 2005
Location: Vancouver

Posted: Mon Jul 10, 2006 1:48 am Post subject:

flakfizer wrote:

Troll_Bait wrote:

Whaddya know flakfizer...I agree with ya.

fiveeagles

Joined: 19 May 2005
Location: Vancouver

Posted: Mon Jul 10, 2006 1:52 am Post subject:

So, I have been thinking about this and I think this would be a great debate. Troll Bait I would debate you on this issue or whoever would like to. I would prefer not Troll Bait, but if that's the choice, then so be it. Pick the avenue and we could make it an event. I believe that there would be enough national interest to debate this and let the public decide. There could be many ways in which we could broadcast the event.

mithridates

Joined: 03 Mar 2003
Location: President's office, Korean Space Agency

Posted: Mon Jul 10, 2006 2:04 am Post subject:

fiveeagles wrote:

flakfizer wrote:

Troll_Bait wrote:

Whaddya know flakfizer...I agree with ya.

Me too. That was a classless remark, especially the part I've put in bold.

Qinella

Joined: 25 Feb 2005
Location: the crib

Posted: Mon Jul 10, 2006 3:19 am Post subject:

fiveeagles wrote:

So, I have been thinking about this and I think this would be a great debate.

Troll Bait I would debate you on this issue or whoever would like to. I would prefer not Troll Bait, but if that's the choice, then so be it. Pick the avenue and we could make it an event. I believe that there would be enough national interest to debate this and let the public decide.

There could be many ways in which we could broadcast the event.

You're still avoiding providing real answers, fiveeagles.

I asked some pretty straight-forward questions on page 1, yet you have not provided any straight-forward answers to anything in this thread at all. I'm not really interested in a debate, although you're right that it would be an interesting one.

Just a quick answer to the questions I previously posted would work for me.

laogaiguk

Joined: 06 Dec 2005
Location: somewhere in Korea

Posted: Mon Jul 10, 2006 3:23 am Post subject:

Qinella wrote:

fiveeagles wrote:

Same here, especially about me talking about sex to your children.

flotsam

Joined: 28 Mar 2006

Posted: Mon Jul 10, 2006 4:20 am Post subject:

fiveeagles wrote:

There could be many ways in which we could broadcast the event.

Hmmmm...how about Dave's ESL Cafe's Off-Topic forum? Stop stalling and answer the questions turkey man.

flotsam

Joined: 28 Mar 2006

Posted: Mon Jul 10, 2006 4:23 am Post subject:

mithridates wrote:

fiveeagles wrote:

flakfizer wrote:

Troll_Bait wrote:

Whaddya know flakfizer...I agree with ya.

Me too. That was a classless remark, especially the part I've put in bold.

Yeah. Cause what if there's a jedi on up in that skull, beyotch?

fiveeagles

Joined: 19 May 2005
Location: Vancouver

Posted: Mon Jul 10, 2006 4:29 am Post subject:

Qinella wrote:

fiveeagles wrote:

Because I think they are very relevant to Korean Culture and its definition of who should influence their youth. I believe that there should be a standard of teaching for the children and it should be debated.

Why leave it to the posters of Dave's ESL to decide? What is that going to decide?

However, lets get it out in the public. I be very interested in seeing what the public has to say about it.

Afraid? Wink

laogaiguk

Joined: 06 Dec 2005
Location: somewhere in Korea

Posted: Mon Jul 10, 2006 4:33 am Post subject:

fiveeagles wrote:

Qinella wrote:

fiveeagles wrote:

You are crazy. You know this is practically impossible. You are the king of evasion or just ignoring things. Fine, answer one question atleast. Do you share and explain your personal opinions in class?

flotsam

Joined: 28 Mar 2006

Posted: Mon Jul 10, 2006 4:42 am Post subject:

fiveeagles wrote:

This response truly deserves a Rolling Eyes

. You debate on this board, you use it as a venue to express your opinion, and this is a topic you have implied having some extreme views on. So stop being an evasive twat, and that's not just an random insult, that sums up your current posture nicely, and state your positions. Acting cute and suggesting a public debate over classroom evangelization in English between ESL teachers for a Korean audience is an idiotic waste of the people posting in this thread's time.

Engage or your what's left of your credibility will be so beyond repair no one will take a word you say seriously anymore: Christian, Buddhist and bogeyman alike.

Qinella

Joined: 25 Feb 2005
Location: the crib

Posted: Mon Jul 10, 2006 4:54 am Post subject:

fiveeagles wrote:

Qinella wrote:

fiveeagles wrote:

I really don't know what you're responding to. This is absolutely irrelevant to what I said. You keep "responding" to me, but have yet to actually respond to anything a'tall.

For your convenience, I will repost my questions now:

Talking about God "within boundaries"? What are the boundaries, exactly?

Also, I'm very curious how and when redemption or morality were brought up in class. Does it happen often? Can you think of some examples where the words came up?

That's all I want to know. I don't want to debate you. Well, okay, yes I do. But it would be a total waste of my time. As I said before, religion almost nevercomes up in my class, so there's no need for me to investigate the matter deeply. I simply let the students say what they want to say, and enable them to do it by providing relevant vocabulary when the need arises.

I have a feeling you are using basically any in-road you can find to steer conversations toward your religious beliefs. The fact that you won't answer my questions doesn't confirm my suspicions, but it certainly doesn't help vanquish them, either.

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Why leave it to the posters of Dave's ESL to decide? What is that going to decide?

However, lets get it out in the public. I be very interested in seeing what the public has to say about it.

Afraid? Wink

Just answer the questions, unless you are afraid. :winkbackatya:

ariellowen

Joined: 19 Apr 2006

Posted: Mon Jul 10, 2006 7:40 am Post subject:

Satori wrote:

ariellowen wrote:

(a moto-bike on the sidewalk is appalling).

Not appalling, that's a value judgement. It's very dangerous, that's a verifiable fact. Korea has consistantly had the highest or at least top three road death toll per capita of all developed nations for the last ten years. So it's worth talking about. I don't believe esl teachers are talking about that in the classroom though.

The rest of your post was pure rubbish, but you're not worthy of my time, so please continue with your pc delusions. Everything you wrote came straight out of classic linguistic texts, yeah I've read them all too. I just didn't swallow them whole like you, I considered them, and managed to weed out the pc bollocks and keep the useful information.

Good points.

SPINOZA wrote:

Else, philosophers, including Wittgenstein himself, view "the limits of my language are the limits of my world" as rubbish, since the statement itself is enough to refute the idea.

Thanks for pointing that out.

Moldy Rutabaga wrote:

so we are all colonizers of Koreans by being ESL teachers? I wonder if the poster has ever been here. In 3-4 years of teaching here I wonder if I've changed anything. After instructing adult teachers for five months, I may have improved their English slightly, but they go back to Korean society full-time and my cultural influence is entirely lost. Anyone who believes that all the students model us is drastically overinflating their own importance. They see us for an hour, and they see their parents, friends, TV, and relatives doing things the Korean way the rest of the time. Who is going to win?

Yes, well put.

Moldy Rutabaga wrote:

As far as language influencing and being influenced by religion, it is partly true, but only partly. The 'Christian chassis' of English is not really that much, even after 1,500 years of evangelism. English is a Germanic language, and that language predates English and already had such concepts as I/we/you differentiation. Although we do have many Christian expressions in English, many of them from Shakespeare or the King James bible, we also thank our lucky stars and knock on wood--and the only pronoun in uppercase is 'I'! Old English and German also have levels of grammatical respect (thou and you, du and Sie). Arguing that Korea will be colonized via English grammatical modes in fifty years is preposterous.

That's true.

Last edited by ariellowen on Mon Jul 10, 2006 8:21 am; edited 1 time in total

fiveeagles

Joined: 19 May 2005
Location: Vancouver

Posted: Mon Jul 10, 2006 8:08 am Post subject:

flotsam wrote:

fiveeagles wrote:

This response truly deserves a Rolling Eyes

i really don't think you are in a position to talk about credibility. Sorry, but I am trying to suggest something that I think might be useful for future dialogue.

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