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kermo
Joined: 01 Sep 2004
Location: Eating eggs, with a comb, out of a shoe.
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 Posted: Sat Jul 15, 2006 9:23 pm Post subject: Finally (N.Korea Sanctions) |
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/5184112.stm
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To avert a veto from China, the resolution does not mention Chapter Seven of the UN Charter, which is legally binding and can authorise sanctions or even military action.
It requires all UN members to prevent imports from or exports to North Korea of materials that could be used in weapons of mass destruction.
The resolution underlines the need for North Korea "to show restraint and refrain from any action that might aggravate tension".
And it calls for Pyongyang to return to six-nation talks over its nuclear programme. |
I'm so relieved to see that the region has finally agreed to send a unified message to North Korea. It doesn't look like they're imposing economic sanctions right now, just cutting off military supplies. Whether it authorises military action right now, I am simply glad it's sending a strong, unified message. |
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laogaiguk
Joined: 06 Dec 2005
Location: somewhere in Korea
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| Posted: Sat Jul 15, 2006 9:40 pm Post subject: |
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What are you doing here Kermo? Did someone get a hold of your password? I can't remember you ever coming to this forum, let alone starting a topic as heavy as North Korean sanctions  |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
Joined: 25 May 2003
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| Posted: Sat Jul 15, 2006 10:15 pm Post subject: |
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Right the sanctions are no one is allowed to sell WMD to North Korea.  |
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kermo
Joined: 01 Sep 2004
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| Posted: Sat Jul 15, 2006 10:15 pm Post subject: |
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I was looking to see if someone had already started a topic in General and Off-Topic (my usual haunts) and realized that the thread belongs here anyway.
Boo! |
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fiveeagles
Joined: 19 May 2005
Location: Vancouver
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| Posted: Sat Jul 15, 2006 10:34 pm Post subject: |
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Yeah, what happened? Did Kim Jong threaten to stop broadcasting the muppets?  |
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Privateer
Joined: 31 Aug 2005
Location: Easy Street.
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| Posted: Sun Jul 16, 2006 8:11 am Post subject: |
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Judging by Roh's remarks, it looks like South Korea has lent support to the resolution reluctantly, perhaps only because of the unanimity of the decision.
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In his first public comment on the North Korean missile tests, President Roh Moo-hyun this week came out with some strong comments.
Aggressive, rash, thoughtless, arrogant and reckless were his main adjectives.
But he was talking about Japan, not North Korea. |
This Michael Breen editorial is pretty funny:-
http://times.hankooki.com/lpage/opinion/200607/kt2006071320434454220.htm |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994
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| Posted: Sun Jul 16, 2006 3:41 pm Post subject: |
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| This Michael Breen editorial is pretty funny |
I'm surprised the KT printed that. It's quite harsh coming from a foreigner.
When you set a goal and focus all your attention and energy on attaining that goal, it can be a very good thing. But there is a danger that you become eccentric in your pursuit of the goal. Most eccentricities are harmless, but sometimes people slide across the line between eccentricity and insanity. Roh and the Uri Party's excessive focus on unification has been flirting with that line for some time. They have now officially crossed the line into lunacy. |
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jinglejangle
Joined: 19 Feb 2005
Location: Far far far away.
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| Posted: Sun Jul 16, 2006 4:37 pm Post subject: |
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| Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee wrote: |
| Right the sanctions are no one is allowed to sell WMD to North Korea. |
Yes, from all the news reports I saw I wonder what the point to such a resolution is. I'm not sure what they thought that would change.
I did like Bolton's "world record" thingy though, although I don't much care for him. |
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jinju
Joined: 22 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Sun Jul 16, 2006 5:20 pm Post subject: |
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| The resolution is that no one is allowed to seel WMDs to NK or materials used in producing WMDs, including missiles and nukes as well as no one is allowed to buy weapons from NK. I may be wrong but thats what I evall. Its a good forst step. NK threatened war if sanctions were imposed. The US imposed them, they did nothing. Now the UNSC imposes them and look, nothing happened. NK is full of talk and empoty on action. Then again if China is backing this resolution declaroing war would also mean declaring war on China. NK is fucked. |
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Milwaukiedave
Joined: 02 Oct 2004
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| Posted: Sun Jul 16, 2006 8:39 pm Post subject: |
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Yeah, I think Micheal Breen is pretty interesting in terms of his views on Korea. I read his book "The Koreans" and laughed like it was a comedy film.
He's got some good points about the North, essentially what he's saying is they are all talk and very little action. I tend to agree with him in terms of engaging the North though. My personal view is the North Korean government will someday collapse and then the real problems will began.
What do you suddenly do with 24 million people with no economy (since it is essentially run by the government), no jobs and the cost of food souring (since inflation will probably be sky high)?
Germany dealt with a similar (but not exactly the same) situation in the 90's. It will take trillions of dollars to save the country.
Also, another point that I like is that it is the North Korean government you should hate, not the people. |
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jinglejangle
Joined: 19 Feb 2005
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| Posted: Sun Jul 16, 2006 9:06 pm Post subject: |
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| Milwaukiedave wrote: |
Yeah, I think Micheal Breen is pretty interesting in terms of his views on Korea. I read his book "The Koreans" and laughed like it was a comedy film.
He's got some good points about the North, essentially what he's saying is they are all talk and very little action. I tend to agree with him in terms of engaging the North though. My personal view is the North Korean government will someday collapse and then the real problems will began.
What do you suddenly do with 24 million people with no economy (since it is essentially run by the government), no jobs and the cost of food souring (since inflation will probably be sky high)?
Germany dealt with a similar (but not exactly the same) situation in the 90's. It will take trillions of dollars to save the country.
Also, another point that I like is that it is the North Korean government you should hate, not the people. |
I think you're right on with this. It would be far far worse for them even than for Germany, as DPRK is in much worse straits economically and (I think) has more people than DRG did. Not sure about the population thing though. |
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Milwaukiedave
Joined: 02 Oct 2004
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| Posted: Sun Jul 16, 2006 9:28 pm Post subject: |
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| According to some (unoffical) sources East Germany had 17 million. I'm not sure how accurate it is though. |
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bucheon bum
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| Posted: Mon Jul 17, 2006 10:43 am Post subject: |
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| West Germany had more than 50 million people though as well. East Germany's economy was booming compared to North Korea's as well. |
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mateomiguel
Joined: 16 May 2005
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| who was it that said "a bad peace is even worse than war" ? Oh yeah, it was Tacitus. This is like the most perfect example of why that saying is true. There's no good solution here, no good choice. |
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jinju
Joined: 22 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Mon Jul 17, 2006 5:51 pm Post subject: |
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| mateomiguel wrote: |
| who was it that said "a bad peace is even worse than war" ? Oh yeah, it was Tacitus. This is like the most perfect example of why that saying is true. There's no good solution here, no good choice. |
Yes there is.
Phase 1 - sanctions to bring NK's war capavbility down as low as possible. Cut off oil, cut off cash. Give it a year if at all possible. Establish missile defense shield complete with AEGIS and patriots and all that cool stuff.
Phase 2 - MASSIVE coordinated strike on major military sites in NK. The DMZ should be pummeled with small tactical nukes (those bunker busters) as well as a whole bunch of neutron bombs that would cut down on fall out.
Phase 3 - massive strike on major population centers in NK using conventional as well as chemical weapons. Kill as much life as possible.
Phase 4 - establishing naval and air superiority and once that is done massive conventional carpet bombing of the area within 30 kms of the DMZ around Seoul. carpet bombing, cluster bombs, whatever the US has. Just unleash it. Wipe out troops and heavy conventional weapons.
Phase 5 - invasion. |
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