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CoolTeach
Joined: 19 Apr 2006
Location: Back in the USSR
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 Posted: Sun Jul 16, 2006 3:50 pm Post subject: Education vs. Morality. |
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Demophobe
Joined: 17 May 2004
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| Posted: Sun Jul 16, 2006 4:03 pm Post subject: Re: Education vs. Morality. |
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| Education vs. Morality. |
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Has anyone noticed that some students lack parenting?
I know there are quite a few that spend all day and night being educated in school and hogwans. When they get home, they must study.
How can the learn the basics of life?
I think some parents like to brag about how educated their children are. But, if you think about it, Korea has a pretty bad education system. I am not sure what these parents are thinking. Their children are being raised by teachers. I doubt they teach everyday problem solving at a hogwan. How will these children be able to function in society in the future? |
The title, the post... I just don't get it.
Please....what are the basics of life? |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994
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| Posted: Sun Jul 16, 2006 8:40 pm Post subject: |
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Please....what are the basics of life?
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1) It's almost always better to tell the truth than to tell a lie.
2) Eat your vegetables.
3) Look both ways before crossing the street.
I agree many Koreans need work on #3, but otherwise they're doing fine on the basics. [/quote] |
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Paddycakes
Joined: 05 May 2003
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Sun Jul 16, 2006 10:22 pm Post subject: |
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Koreans are generally among the most "indoctrinated" people on earth -they are also one of the most ideological people on earth, which explains their blind zeal and unquestioning faith in accepting whatever ideas happen to be in vogue, even if it means destroying their children's sense of creativity by making them memorize dubious "facts" for hours on end in some grey hogwan factory...
Do not confuse indoctrinating with educating... (and this could be said of western schools, too). |
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Peeping Tom
Joined: 15 Feb 2006
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| Posted: Sun Jul 16, 2006 11:18 pm Post subject: |
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Please....what are the basics of life?
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1) It's almost always better to tell the truth than to tell a lie.
2) Eat your vegetables.
3) Look both ways before crossing the street.
I agree many Koreans need work on #3, but otherwise they're doing fine on the basics. |
#1 needs considerable work, too.
They've got #2 down great. |
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Privateer
Joined: 31 Aug 2005
Location: Easy Street.
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| Posted: Sun Jul 16, 2006 11:42 pm Post subject: Re: Education vs. Morality. |
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| CoolTeach wrote: |
| I think some parents like to brag about how educated their children are. But, if you think about it, Korea has a pretty bad education system. I am not sure what these parents are thinking. Their children are being raised by teachers. I doubt they teach everyday problem solving at a hogwan. How will these children be able to function in society in the future? |
Ask just about any Korean and they'll tell you the same thing.
As for 'bad parenting', sending your kids off to hagwons all day is regarded as 'good parenting' at least on the surface. Of course parents selfishly enjoy free time when the kids are packed off to the hagwon. At the end of the day though, it's not about whether parents are dedicated to their children or neglecting them: they're just doing what everyone else does. Following the crowd is a virtue in itself here. |
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Hapkido-In
Joined: 24 Jun 2006
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| Posted: Mon Jul 17, 2006 3:37 am Post subject: |
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I know exactly how you feel, CoolTeach. When I first arrived in Korea I felt terrible for what I was doing. I really felt like I was robbing children of what should be their youthful and playful years. One of the worst things is that I went to university with Korean students that had been educated in Korea. For all the pressure they are under and what not, they didn't arrive at university any more prepared for it than I was. And I'd wager that I spent about 1/3 of the time at school/studying that they did (leading up to university).
Now...meh, whatever? It's Korea...it's how Koreans like it. It might seem like a bad system in my eyes, but my eyes don't count here, only Korean eyes do. So I just sit back, do what's asked of me, collect my money, take my vacations, and work towards my life goals.
Happy! |
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JZer
Joined: 13 Jan 2005
Location: South Korea
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| Posted: Mon Jul 17, 2006 4:02 am Post subject: |
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| So I just sit back, do what's asked of me, collect my money, take my vacations, and work towards my life goals. |
good advice since there is no way that a Korean would listen to your opinion anyways! |
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JZer
Joined: 13 Jan 2005
Location: South Korea
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| Posted: Mon Jul 17, 2006 4:05 am Post subject: |
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| One of the worst things is that I went to university with Korean students that had been educated in Korea. For all the pressure they are under and what not, they didn't arrive at university any more prepared for it than I was. |
I would say that is probably not a fair comparison since the Koreans were attending college in their second language so it is not hard to see that they would not be any better prepared than you. Furthermore, would you like being shipped off to the other side of the world at 18, not by choice but because that is what your parents want. |
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Kimchieluver
Joined: 02 Mar 2005
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| Posted: Mon Jul 17, 2006 5:04 am Post subject: |
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| I would say that is probably not a fair comparison since the Koreans were attending college in their second language so it is not hard to see that they would not be any better prepared than you. Furthermore, would you like being shipped off to the other side of the world at 18, not by choice but because that is what your parents want |
Depends on how good the beers is, how cheap the beer is and the girl to guy ratio. |
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cornie_man
Joined: 31 Jul 2005
Location: Sparkling in Korea
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| Posted: Tue Jul 18, 2006 7:38 pm Post subject: |
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And when they are shipped off to the other side of the world, they will be able to buy their cornflakes in English... ("kon-who-lake-seu", "cornflakes").
Magic, that one. |
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JZer
Joined: 13 Jan 2005
Location: South Korea
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| Posted: Tue Jul 18, 2006 9:17 pm Post subject: |
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And when they are shipped off to the other side of the world, they will be able to buy their cornflakes in English... ("kon-who-lake-seu", "cornflakes").
Magic, that one. |
Well, I am guessing that they could get along better than most of us could in Korean when we arrived in Korea! |
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doggyji
Joined: 21 Feb 2006
Location: Toronto - Hamilton - Vineland - St. Catherines
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| What's interesting is that Korean students actually do good enough at international science and math competitions. This year Korean students' team was placed as 2nd in physics and biology and 3rd in mathematics at International Olypiads. China topped them all. I cautiously suppose sheer memorization doesn't exactly explain this result. Olypiad problems are not a joke at all. Probably it's just a top proportion thing. Food for thoughts. |
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Paddycakes
Joined: 05 May 2003
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Tue Jul 18, 2006 10:47 pm Post subject: |
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Most high school level mathmatics is very "mechanistic". Memorize the procedure and the rules and you're set.
It's only in the high level advanced university maths where you get room for creativity and doubt.... the stuff of real free thinkers.... |
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Len8
Joined: 12 Feb 2003
Location: Kyungju
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| Posted: Wed Jul 19, 2006 12:26 am Post subject: |
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The highschool mathematics for Koreans and the Japanese is the equivalent of first and second year mathematics at most U.S. universities. Their approach to mathematics is a little more varied and they look at more variations on their problems than anyone would at an equivalent western institution. They touch on the abstract stuff too, but then mathematics everywhere is being upgraded.
Practice is what makes it. You got to work the stuff out and then try to do it a different way afterwards.
Higher level university mathematics isn't the calculating kind of mathematics. It's rigorous and it's proofs based on theorms. It sure aint easy. |
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