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kermo



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PostPosted: Tue Jul 18, 2006 7:20 pm    Post subject: Matchmaker, Matchmaker... Reply with quote

Sigh. This is embarrassing, but I'm going to give it a shot. Some personal information about me follows...

I'm here in Canada for a visit with the family, and when I mentioned that I've been dating a guy who is kind, intelligent, capable and cute BUT not spiritually-on-the-same-page, I got furrowed brows, shaken heads and wagged fingers. This isn't a relationship that is supposed to lead to a marriage, but all the same, my entire family and all my friends are dead-set against it, not happy for me despite the fact that this is the first remotely pleasant, somewhat exclusive relationship I've been in for quite some time.

I see their concern, since religious incompatibilities can cause serious problems down the line (especially where the children are concerned) especially for sincere/devout believers matched with irreligious or ambivalent partners. I've seen the friction in the marriages of more than a few of my friends, so I'm not arguing there. A spouse who shares my beliefs would be ideal.

Easier said, I'm sad to say, than done. As I've mentioned in innumerable "Western girls" threads, I don't have any trouble meeting guys. I get along with all sorts of personalities, I'm friendly and good-looking enough (Strongbad might say "modestly hot.") The problem is selection. I've met only one Christian guy here in Korea who was somewhat compatible/attractive, but his intention was to finish his contract and go home to find a girl from his own country. I was in touch with an interesting fellow teaching in Japan, and met him while I was on a visa run. There wasn't much chemistry, and on top of that, he said I was *too old* for his tastes.

He's 32 and I'm 27, but he explained that he was looking for someone more ideally situated in her childbearing years. Although I'm hardly a relic, age is a factor. Many guys my age have already settled down and married. I guess 25-35 would be a good age range for me, if I had my pick.

It's tricky, of course, to initiate any kind of long-term relationship in the expat community. People come here for different lengths of time, from different countries, and often it's just not practical to expect a lasting relationship. However, the sort of "catch" my family wants for me is not exactly common. I asked my mother whether she had met JUST ONE single, reasonably attractive, intelligent Christian man around my age in the last year. She lives in a part of Canada just crawling with Christians, and she works in the Faculty of Graduate Studies at a university. She answered without hesitating: "No."

So I'm discouraged. I am supposed to hold out for something that may never (and until now has never) come along. I've tried to date Christians in the past, but found that every one of them turned out to wear that label because of their families, not their own convictions.

Why am I 27 and unmarried? Well, I was. I hastily and idealistically married my childhood sweetheart at age 21, and started to regret it soon after. He had a deeply scarred past, full of addictions and abuse, and without any experience with mature relationships or independent living. I finally gave up after four miserable years of struggling through debt, resurfacing addictions, denial and lies. I couldn't see any more hope, so I moved to Korea and put myself back together. I've spent two years here, and have never been happier.

Divorce does carry a stigma, and it's a decision I struggled with as a Christian. I wanted out for years, but didn't want to compromise my vows, my integrity and my faith. I believe that ultimately I made a choice that I can support Bibilically, but not every Christian might agree. This takes me even further out of the running.

Why am I writing this? Well, I've been posting on Dave's for over two years, and many of you have a pretty good idea of my values and my sense of humour, for a start. I haven't joined any dating sites for this purpose. I thought that it might be better to start with recommendations from friends. So, I'm actually asking you: Do you know any Christian guys who would dig me, and whom I would find diggable in return?

I'm in no rush! I am very very happy at the moment, and wouldn't change a thing. I love my job, my friends, my life and my apartment, and I'm neither lonely nor baby-crazed. I'm just interested in what's out there. I'd like to think that it's possible to satisfy my family and friends, and find that vital compatibility, but it seems more than likely that I will grow old and moldy waiting to win that lottery.

I *can't wait* to read your replies. I know this request is a long shot, but hopefully it will at least generate an interesting discussion. Very Happy
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The Man known as The Man



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PostPosted: Tue Jul 18, 2006 7:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If anyone outside your family gives you a hard time, cite 1 Cor 2: 15, then 14


In a most loving way, of course.


This sounds all too familiar.
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kermo



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PostPosted: Tue Jul 18, 2006 7:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Man known as The Man wrote:
If anyone outside your family gives you a hard time, cite 1 Cor 2: 15, then 14


In a most loving way, of course.


This sounds all too familiar.



You mean this?
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14The man without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned. 15The spiritual man makes judgments about all things, but he himself is not subject to any man's judgment:
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The Man known as The Man



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PostPosted: Tue Jul 18, 2006 7:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes. Precisely that.

Good fortune to you.
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kermo



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PostPosted: Tue Jul 18, 2006 7:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here's some more from 1st Corinthians chapter 7, if anyone is interested in how a Christian might look at divorce or marriage between Christian and Non.

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12To the rest I say this (I, not the Lord): If any brother has a wife who is not a believer and she is willing to live with him, he must not divorce her. 13And if a woman has a husband who is not a believer and he is willing to live with her, she must not divorce him. 14For the unbelieving husband has been sanctified through his wife, and the unbelieving wife has been sanctified through her believing husband. Otherwise your children would be unclean, but as it is, they are holy.

15But if the unbeliever leaves, let him do so. A believing man or woman is not bound in such circumstances; God has called us to live in peace. 16How do you know, wife, whether you will save your husband? Or, how do you know, husband, whether you will save your wife?


This passage comes from chapter 6, and it's not written in the context of marriage, but it's often used by Christians as a warning against it:

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14Do not be yoked together with unbelievers. For what do righteousness and wickedness have in common? Or what fellowship can light have with darkness? 15What harmony is there between Christ and Belial[b]? What does a believer have in common with an unbeliever?
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The Man known as The Man



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PostPosted: Tue Jul 18, 2006 7:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The first part is after the fact-the second is for one in your position.


Imagine-a single Christian looking around and finding nothing but, well, refuse surrounding them. I will let you use the choice of inflection re: the word 'refuse'
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kermo



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PostPosted: Tue Jul 18, 2006 7:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Man known as The Man wrote:
The first part is after the fact-the second is for one in your position.


Imagine-a single Christian looking around and finding nothing


I don't have to imagine this part. Smile
I suppose there might be some debate as to whether I should be governed by pressure from my friends and family. These people love me ferociously and want me to be happy. I think if I were nearer to my biological expiration date they might see some room for compromise. For now I'm content to humour them with the understanding that they have my best interests at heart. I've never actually dated a Christian guy after all-- I don't really know what I'm missing.
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jinju



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PostPosted: Tue Jul 18, 2006 7:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why are you restricting yourself to Christians? My wife is Buddhist. I placed absolutely no emphasis on her religion. Im Catholic btw.
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LL Moonmanhead



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PostPosted: Tue Jul 18, 2006 7:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A,S,L?

Got any pictures? Don't want to introduce any friends to a potential moose.
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jinju



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PostPosted: Tue Jul 18, 2006 7:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

kermo wrote:
The Man known as The Man wrote:
The first part is after the fact-the second is for one in your position.


Imagine-a single Christian looking around and finding nothing


I don't have to imagine this part. Smile
I suppose there might be some debate as to whether I should be governed by pressure from my friends and family. These people love me ferociously and want me to be happy. I think if I were nearer to my biological expiration date they might see some room for compromise. For now I'm content to humour them with the understanding that they have my best interests at heart. I've never actually dated a Christian guy after all-- I don't really know what I'm missing.


Youneed to grow a spine vis a vis your family. I never bothered trying to please them. Once I got out on my own I never really cared much if my family would approve of who I married or what I was doing. Every major decision I have made since then has been presented to my family as a done deal, not open to any negotiations. This included comin to Korea, deciding to stay here, getting married. Its your life, live it for yourself.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 18, 2006 8:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You sound like a sensible lass, so I think you already know not to be swayed by the "follow your heart" and "all you need is love" maxims of Hollywood. Practically speaking, I'd say you need to head back to the West to open up a broader range of possibilities for yourself. (That is, if you're not interested in K-men). Wink


p.s. no Buddhists or Muslims. Diametrically opposed religions AND cultures = double whammy of doom = not smrt.

p.p.s. drinking during pregnancy is generally considered unadvisable regardless of the religious orientations of the parents.

HTH
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 18, 2006 8:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Corporal wrote:
You sound like a sensible lass, so I think you already know not to be swayed by the "follow your heart" and "all you need is love" maxims of Hollywood. Practically speaking, I'd say you need to head back to the West to open up a broader range of possibilities for yourself. (That is, if you're not interested in K-men). Wink


p.s. no Buddhists or Muslims. Diametrically opposed religions AND cultures = double whammy of doom = not smrt.

p.p.s. drinking during pregnancy is generally considered unadvisable regardless of the religious orientations of the parents.

HTH



generally


http://www.redwoodpark.org


It's a principality sort of thing-it's an epidemic up there

HTH

ps there is no debate-I Cor 2:15, then 14 eliminates any debate


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kermo



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PostPosted: Tue Jul 18, 2006 8:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

LL Moonmanhead wrote:
A,S,L?

Got any pictures? Don't want to introduce any friends to a potential moose.


I think I covered Age/Sex/Location in the post, although I don't usually live in Canada. Most of the year I live in Yongin, which is near Seoul.

Here are a couple pics, moose included for comparison purposes.
In Moose Jaw!


At work last month:
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kermo



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PostPosted: Tue Jul 18, 2006 8:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Corporal wrote:
You sound like a sensible lass, so I think you already know not to be swayed by the "follow your heart" and "all you need is love" maxims of Hollywood. Practically speaking, I'd say you need to head back to the West to open up a broader range of possibilities for yourself. (That is, if you're not interested in K-men). Wink


p.s. no Buddhists or Muslims. Diametrically opposed religions AND cultures = double whammy of doom = not smrt.

p.p.s. drinking during pregnancy is generally considered unadvisable regardless of the religious orientations of the parents.

HTH


Thanks! No K-men for me, please. A couple people have suggested Bible college (aka 'bridal college') but I can't think of a bigger waste of time or money if I'm just "husband-shopping."

re: p.s. I quite agree.

re: p.p.s. Not sure what this is in reference to, but thanks for the tip.
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Zyzyfer



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PostPosted: Tue Jul 18, 2006 8:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

kermo wrote:
LL Moonmanhead wrote:
A,S,L?

Got any pictures? Don't want to introduce any friends to a potential moose.


I think I covered Age/Sex/Location in the post, although I don't usually live in Canada. Most of the year I live in Yongin, which is near Seoul.

Here are a couple pics, moose included for comparison purposes.
In Moose Jaw!


Now that's a funny combo. So how old is that moose in the picture? Chick or dude moose? Moose Jaw you say? Can I googleearth that?
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