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Hater Depot
Joined: 29 Mar 2005
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 Posted: Mon Jul 31, 2006 6:10 pm Post subject: Castro hand power to brother during surgery |
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http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/americas/07/31/cuba.castro/index.html
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Cuban President Fidel Castro was undergoing intestinal surgery and provisionally handed over power in the Communist island nation to his younger brother Raul, according to a statement read on Cuban television Monday night.
Fidel Castro, 79, has led Cuba since a 1959 revolution. Raul Castro, 75, is the first vice president of the country, and as such, the designated successor to his brother.
Castro's secretary, Carlos Balenciago, read a letter he said was from the president in which he said stress had forced him into surgery and that he would be in bed for several weeks after the operation was complete. Castro turns 80 on August 13.
Raul Castro also assumes control over the armed forces and the leadership of the Communist Party, according to the statement. |
I for one am not wishing him a speedy recovery. |
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canuckistan
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Gopher
Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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| Posted: Mon Jul 31, 2006 6:18 pm Post subject: |
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Cuba also has an impressive selection of seafood.
But I would not wish to hijack this thread, which treats Castro's present condition and the issue many have been talking about -- who might succeed him? -- unless I had a better explanation than merely posting a link on a totally unrelated tangent (alleging that Cuba offers better medical care and is thus a better country than the United States)...
You don't have to become a U.S. citizen, Canuckistan. |
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Gopher
Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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| Posted: Mon Jul 31, 2006 6:28 pm Post subject: |
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When Castro dies, Cuba will probably become a mess -- that is, until a new strongman emerges.
Here is what a U.S.-govt interagency committee is thinking on post-Castro Cuba, by the way...
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The Commission for Assistance to a Free Cuba released its report on May 6, 2004. According to the report's Foreword: "President Bush formed the U.S. Commission for Assistance to a Free Cuba to explore ways we can help hasten and ease Cuba's democratic transition. As this report shows, the United States seeks to cooperate with neighbors in the hemisphere and nations across the globe to help Cubans prepare for democratic change."
The Inter-American Charter clearly states that: "The peoples of the Americas have a right to democracy and their governments have an obligation to promote and defend it." The United States hopes that the release of the Commission's report will help us and "our neighbors in the Americas and free nations across the globe better support the efforts of the Cuban people to secure their right to democracy and realize their dreams for a better future."
The formation of this Commission and release of this report underscore the Administration's continuing commitment to the Cuban people as well as its unwavering support for human rights, democracy, and the open market system. This will define and accelerate U.S. efforts to hasten a transition to democracy and create a framework for providing assistance to a newly democratic Cuba. |
http://www.state.gov/p/wha/rt/cuba/
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2003/10/20031010-7.html
Here is the Commission's report to the President...
http://www.state.gov/p/wha/rt/cuba/commission/2004/c12237.htm |
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Bulsajo
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Mon Jul 31, 2006 6:32 pm Post subject: |
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| Oh man, I hope he doesn't kick it before I get down there, I want to check it out before the floodgates open and Havana once again surpasses Las Vegas as America's playground. |
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canuckistan
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| Posted: Mon Jul 31, 2006 6:41 pm Post subject: |
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| Gopher wrote: |
Cuba also has an impressive selection of seafood.
But I would not wish to hijack this thread, which treats Castro's present condition and the issue many have been talking about -- who might succeed him? -- unless I had a better explanation than merely posting a link on a totally unrelated tangent (alleging that Cuba offers better medical care and is thus a better country than the United States)...
You don't have to become a U.S. citizen, Canuckistan. |
God forbid Cuba may have some qualities on par with the US eh Gringo?
Canada has a good relationship with Cuba--we don't hate them and we're allowed to visit. It's a lovely unspoiled place with great people. I have no issues with Castro--same as Pierre Trudeau.
And to be perfectly honest, I have absolutely no intention of becoming an American citizen. My husband's got that part already covered.
Having a bad day are you? |
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Gopher
Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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| Posted: Mon Jul 31, 2006 7:22 pm Post subject: |
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| canuckistan wrote: |
| God forbid Cuba may have some qualities on par with the US eh Gringo? |
What? Who says otherwise? Not me, anyway.
Take that antiAmerican chip off your shoulder. There is more to see in the world than America's faults.
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| Canada has a good relationship with Cuba--we don't hate them... |
Blah, blah, blah.
As I said a while back, many threads and comments on this board can be reduced to the following three theses:
(1) Koreans are xenophobes and racists;
(2) the U.S. govt is the Great Satan and W. Bush the antichrist; and, the inevitable
(3) Canada is morally superior to the United States.
Nearly every time you speak here you prove me right.
Now, do you have anything intelligent to add to a discussion on Castro's current condition and the issue surrounding his successor's probable difficulties? Because that is what this thread is about? |
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canuckistan
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| Posted: Mon Jul 31, 2006 9:10 pm Post subject: |
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| Gopher wrote: |
| canuckistan wrote: |
| God forbid Cuba may have some qualities on par with the US eh Gringo? |
What? Who says otherwise? Not me, anyway.
Take that antiAmerican chip off your shoulder. There is more to see in the world than America's faults.
| Canuckistan wrote: |
| Canada has a good relationship with Cuba--we don't hate them... |
Blah, blah, blah.
As I said a while back, many threads and comments on this board can be reduced to the following three theses:
(1) Koreans are xenophobes and racists;
(2) the U.S. govt is the Great Satan and W. Bush the antichrist; and, the inevitable
(3) Canada is morally superior to the United States.
Nearly every time you speak here you prove me right.
Now, do you have anything intelligent to add to a discussion on Castro's current condition and the issue surrounding his successor's probable difficulties? Because that is what this thread is about? |
Unless you count my distaste for George Bush...I rarely post anything "anti-American." Yet it is you who always over-reacts to posts, ever-vigilant in jumping to conclusions about "anti-Americanism", and then continue by putting voluminous amounts of words in my mouth, for example. You'll even stoop so low to make perceived assumptions about my posting intentions by dragging my husband/marriage to an American into it.
Very classy Gopher! But then I've heard all about your gentlemanly class 
And it seems you take a partcularly unheimlich interest in parsing my posts for "hidden messages," although seeing you get all up into a knee-jerk lather about what I haven't said is pretty entertaining 
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Take that antiAmerican chip off your shoulder. There is more to see in the world than America's faults.
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P.S. I have no anti-American chip on my shoulder. I suggest you get off the vigilante crusade (look, look I found another one!!!--I know what they're thinking!!!) and toughen up that thin skin some more.....there are far worse "offenders" on the boards you can make mountains out of molehill's against vis a vis the blatant anti-American stuff.
And indeed, there is more to see in Cuba than Castro's faults....although dang, how would you know eh, you're not even allowed to go.
Pity.
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Gopher
Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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| Posted: Mon Jul 31, 2006 9:39 pm Post subject: |
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| canuckistan wrote: |
| ...it is you who always over-reacts to posts, jumps to conclusions, and then continue by putting voluminous amounts of words in my mouthsee in the world than America's faults. |
Fine.
OP posted this story...
http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/americas/07/31/cuba.castro/index.html
You jumped onto the thread and posted this reponse...
http://www.theglobalist.com/DBWeb/StoryId.aspx?StoryId=2553
and you commented on Cuba's "impressive" literacy rate.
Can you explain the relationship between these three items?
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| And indeed, there is more to see in Cuba than Castro's faults....although dang, how would you know eh, you're not even allowed to go. Pity. |
You are right. What could I possibly know about Cuba, Cuban affairs, or Fidel Castro compared to your demonstrated expertise and virtuosity on the subject.
Thanks for referring to the ban on spending U.S. currency in Cuba, though -- clearly a stellar contribution to this thread... |
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canuckistan
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| Posted: Mon Jul 31, 2006 9:56 pm Post subject: |
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| Gopher wrote: |
| canuckistan wrote: |
| ...it is you who always over-reacts to posts, jumps to conclusions, and then continue by putting voluminous amounts of words in my mouthsee in the world than America's faults. |
Fine.
OP posted this story...
http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/americas/07/31/cuba.castro/index.html
You jumped onto the thread and posted this reponse...
http://www.theglobalist.com/DBWeb/StoryId.aspx?StoryId=2553
and you commented on Cuba's "impressive" literacy rate.
Can you explain the relationship between these three items?
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| And indeed, there is more to see in Cuba than Castro's faults....although dang, how would you know eh, you're not even allowed to go. Pity. |
You are right. What could I possibly know about Cuba, Cuban affairs, or Fidel Castro compared to your demonstrated expertise and virtuosity on the subject.
Thanks for referring to the ban on spending U.S. currency in Cuba, though -- clearly a stellar contribution to this thread... |
IT'S REALLY *BEEPING* SIMPLE GOPHER, READ IT S-L-O-W-L-Y:
The OP wrote:
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| I for one am not wishing him a speedy recovery. |
IE: HIGH RATE OF LITERACY. IMPRESSIVE FOR SMALL COUNTRY. COMPARE WITH U.S.--PRETTY BALANCED REPORT EMANATING FROM U.S.SOURCE.
MY IDEA--CUBA/CASTRO = NOT ALL BAD
...enter Gopher with his usual hijacking of thread with "oh it's anti-Americanism again" crap, Canadians bla bla bla bla.
Voila....more predictable Gopher sillyness. Global View indeed.
And there's no friggin way YOU have ever been to Cuba--not with that attitude
Me = 5 times. Great place. Looking forward to going back and not having to deal with tools like you for a while. |
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Gopher
Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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| Posted: Mon Jul 31, 2006 10:03 pm Post subject: |
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| canuckistan wrote: |
| IT'S REALLY *BEEPING* SIMPLE GOPHER, READ IT S-L-O-W-L-Y... |
I read it slowly. Thanks for the warning.
It's a good thing I did. Because, otherwise, I might have got the impression that someone posted an article on Castro's health, wishing him further ill via a cheap-sounding editorial comment, and that you, apparently taking on the duties of his Dave's ESL Cafe chief propagandist, made it your mission to counter this with all of the good points about Cuba you could come up with on short notice (including an article stressing that Cuba was a better place than the United States), as if OP was somehow characterizing Cuba, Cuban politics and society, and Castro as purely bad.
But, reading it slowly, that changed everything. And I didn't think that at all.
So thanks for the heads up, Canuckistan.
In any case, getting this back on track and out of the usual bitterness that you contribute here:
This thread treats the issue of Castro's present illness and the issues surrounding his succession...will Raul be feared and respected as Fidel is? Will Raul hold it together? What will happen in Cuba and how will the Cuban people react? What will Washington's reaction be? What will the Cuban-American community's reaction be?
Whether you think Cuba has a high literacy rate, whether you think Cuban health care is superior to that in the United States, whether you think Canada is superior to the United States because Canadians don't hate Cuba and the Canadian govt imposes no travel ban onto its citizens there, etc., etc...these petty issues you raise have nothing at all to do with all of the real issues implicitly caught up in the OP...
You went to college, apparently, but never learned to read, reflect, and comment intelligently on any given topic. And this is the first time a Canadian national, and not a Latin American, has called me "gingo." So thanks for the experience. Now I can say I've been called "gringo" by a Canadian. |
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canuckistan
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| Posted: Mon Jul 31, 2006 11:41 pm Post subject: |
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| Gopher wrote: |
| canuckistan wrote: |
| IT'S REALLY *BEEPING* SIMPLE GOPHER, READ IT S-L-O-W-L-Y... |
I read it slowly. Thanks for the warning.
It's a good thing I did. Because, otherwise, I might have got the impression that someone posted an article on Castro's health, wishing him further ill via a cheap-sounding editorial comment, and that you, apparently taking on the duties of his Dave's ESL Cafe chief propagandist, made it your mission to counter this with all of the good points about Cuba you could come up with on short notice (including an article stressing that Cuba was a better place than the United States), as if OP was somehow characterizing Cuba, Cuban politics and society, and Castro as purely bad.
But, reading it slowly, that changed everything. And I didn't think that at all.
So thanks for the heads up, Canuckistan.
In any case, getting this back on track and out of the usual bitterness that you contribute here:
This thread treats the issue of Castro's present illness and the issues surrounding his succession...will Raul be feared and respected as Fidel is? Will Raul hold it together? What will happen in Cuba and how will the Cuban people react? What will Washington's reaction be? What will the Cuban-American community's reaction be?
Whether you think Cuba has a high literacy rate, whether you think Cuban health care is superior to that in the United States, whether you think Canada is superior to the United States because Canadians don't hate Cuba and the Canadian govt imposes no travel ban onto its citizens there, etc., etc...these petty issues you raise have nothing at all to do with all of the real issues implicitly caught up in the OP...
You went to college, apparently, but never learned to read, reflect, and comment intelligently on any given topic. And this is the first time a Canadian national, and not a Latin American, has called me "gingo." So thanks for the experience. Now I can say I've been called "gringo" by a Canadian. |
It seems to be that I don't post they way you think I should. I'd like to remind you this is a discussion forum--all about opinions--different ones, long ones, short ones.... you need to learn to respect that a whole lot more. God forbid we don't live up to your posting expectations.....Gopher will even drag your American husband into it purely out of petty BS if you're not posting the way he thinks you should.
I will post whatever opinion about Cuba (or any other country/issue) I want...too little, too much--I don't give a rat's ass what someone like you thinks about it.
Get over it.
And while you're at it stop being so childishly defensive about perceived slights to the American nation and SU for a moment (is that even possible?) I nominate you thread hijack king of the year for that silly behaviour.
Since you've been such a little *beep* about it from the word go I'm not going to answer any Cuba-related question you may have. Why? You're behaving like a fascist troglodyte.
I also have a life outside of the CE forum...don't generally have time to get into the 5-long-paragraphs-of-hard-hitting-reportage-and-battle-of-the-URL-links-because-I've-got nothing-else-to-do stuff...and I'm sure as *beep* way too busy to make sure someone like you are happy with my comments here (are you happy with my post Gopher? Is it long enough Gopher? Is it in-depth enough for you Gopher?)
It's pretty clear you've got some serious control issues to work out. And this is just a message board.
Safe to say I won't be responding to any more of your horse*beep* comments to my posts here again. |
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cwemory
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cubanlord
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Location: In Japan!
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| Posted: Tue Aug 01, 2006 6:01 am Post subject: |
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| I hope he dies. I hope he writhes in the agony he is currently undergoing. I hope that pathetic, impudent, thoughtless bastard fails to see the light of conciousness after he is put under for surgery. I hope he lies dormant in a dream state for all of eternity. I hope that within this state of nothingness, he is tormented, maimed, battered, beaten, quartered, and strung over and over and over and over. F#@( Castro. |
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Rteacher
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I've never noticed anything particularly anti-American in "Canukistan's" posts. Practically everyone hates Bush and his cronies, though, including most Americans...
Castro's been a strong durable leader, but his committment to a bad ideological system has always entailed checking - or eliminating - the human rights of many. There reportedly has been gradual improvement in religious freedom, but strict government controls remain:
In the years following the Cuban Revolution, the Roman Catholic Church suffered persecution. Not only did Castro severely limit its activities, but in 1961 he confiscated, without compensation, all property held by religious organizations. Hundreds of members of the clergy, including a bishop, were permanently expelled from the nation. The Cuban leadership was officially atheist until 1992 when the Communist Party agreed to allow religious followers to join the party. In 1998, Pope John Paul II visited the island and was allowed to conduct large outdoor masses. During his visit, the Pope strongly condemned Castro and his human rights record but encouraged reconciliation. That same year, Cuba approved visas for nineteen foreign priests to take up residence in the country. In addition, other religious groups in Cuba such as the Jewish community are now permitted to hold public services and to import religious materials and kosher food for Passover, as well as to receive rabbis and other religious visitors from abroad...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights_in_Cuba
Since the relationship between Castro's Cuba and (his apparent protege) Hugo Chavez's Venezuela has been very close I'm sure that Chavez will try to figure prominently in shaping Cuba's political future... |
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