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		| taobenli 
 
 
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				|  Posted: Tue Aug 01, 2006 10:57 pm    Post subject: learning North Korean? |   |  
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				| Hi, all- 
 I've been studying Korean for a few years and while I still have a long way to go, I've learned a lot. (I'm not an English teacher, but a grad student in the U.S. I'll be trying to come to Korea as often as I can to study more and do research).
 
 I'm really interested in learning North Korean dialect (okay, now if I start getting my phone tapped I'll know why!). I just don't know how to go about it. I can read the Rodong Shinmun at school, but surely people don't always talk like that.
 
 Anyone know of any good resources?
 
 Thanks!
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		| RACETRAITOR 
 
 
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				|  Posted: Tue Aug 01, 2006 11:15 pm    Post subject: |   |  
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				| It's not that radically different, aside from the fact that there are no Chinese characters and I doubt they have many loanwords or "Konglish." Sounds kind of nice, if you ask me. If you learn regular Korean you'll be able to communicate with people speaking Chosunmal. |  | 
	
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		| thebum 
 
  
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				|  Posted: Tue Aug 01, 2006 11:23 pm    Post subject: |   |  
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				| Pyongan dialect korean uses almost no words from chinese and no english loan words, so that means you have to relearn a lot of vocabulary. they also have different names for letters, different pronunciation, etc. understanding it might not be hard but it will take some work to learn to speak it. i've been working on it, just by searching korean websites and talking to some north koreans here in korea. 
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		| thebum 
 
  
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				|  Posted: Tue Aug 01, 2006 11:24 pm    Post subject: |   |  
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	  | RACETRAITOR wrote: |  
	  | It's not that radically different, aside from the fact that there are no Chinese characters and I doubt they have many loanwords or "Konglish." Sounds kind of nice, if you ask me. If you learn regular Korean you'll be able to communicate with people speaking Chosunmal. |  
 also, why is south korea's 표준어 regular and 조선말 not?
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		| warezthebeef 
 
 
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		| mokpochica 
 
  
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				|  Posted: Wed Aug 02, 2006 12:05 am    Post subject: |   |  
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				| Here's a start: My language teacher told us to be careful not to pronounce 같이 (together) as Kah-tee because that's the way the North Koreans say it.  |  | 
	
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		| Son Deureo! 
 
 
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				|  Posted: Wed Aug 02, 2006 12:50 am    Post subject: |   |  
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				| Here's the only North Korean I know, I hope you find it helpful: 
 ballpoint pen - 원조필 (instead of the SK 볼펜)
 hamburger- 고기 겸 빵  (instead of the SK 햄버거)
 ice cream - 얼음 뽀송이  (instead of the SK 아이스크림)
 
 That's really cool! - 진짜 주체적 입니다!
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		| billybrobby 
 
  
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				|  Posted: Wed Aug 02, 2006 2:17 am    Post subject: |   |  
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	  | thebum wrote: |  
	  | Pyongan dialect korean uses almost no words from chinese and no english loan words, so that means you have to relearn a lot of vocabulary. they also have different names for letters, different pronunciation, etc. understanding it might not be hard but it will take some work to learn to speak it. i've been working on it, just by searching korean websites and talking to some north koreans here in korea. |  
 I know they don't like english loan words but are you really saying the north koreans aren't using chinese words? isn't the official name of north korea 조선民主主議人民共和國?
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		| thebum 
 
  
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				|  Posted: Wed Aug 02, 2006 3:07 am    Post subject: |   |  
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	  | mokpochica wrote: |  
	  | Here's a start: My language teacher told us to be careful not to pronounce 같이 (together) as Kah-tee because that's the way the North Koreans say it.  |  
 right...none of this palatalization bullshit that they do in the south
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		| mithridates 
 
  
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				|  Posted: Wed Aug 02, 2006 3:07 am    Post subject: Re: learning North Korean? |   |  
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	  | taobenli wrote: |  
	  | Hi, all- 
 I've been studying Korean for a few years and while I still have a long way to go, I've learned a lot. (I'm not an English teacher, but a grad student in the U.S. I'll be trying to come to Korea as often as I can to study more and do research).
 
 I'm really interested in learning North Korean dialect (okay, now if I start getting my phone tapped I'll know why!). I just don't know how to go about it. I can read the Rodong Shinmun at school, but surely people don't always talk like that.
 
 Anyone know of any good resources?
 
 Thanks!
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 Besides that page I put up that someone else kindly provided the link to, I would suggest just going to either Dandong or Tumen in China for a month or two. Not that expensive and everybody there talks like North Koreans do.
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		| noelinkorea 
 
 
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				|  Posted: Wed Aug 02, 2006 4:17 am    Post subject: |   |  
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				| Actually, in order to graduate the Yonsei KLI we had to write mini-theses-type essays - mine was on the difference between these two major forms of Korea. There's a heap of material and book printed about the stuff in Yonsei's fast decaying and extremely bookless library. My angle was that the NK dialect would serve as a stumbling block and means of judgement towards North Koreans should reunification ever come...The dialect will probably be viewed as representative of the old regime and shunned... |  | 
	
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		| zappadelta 
 
  
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				|  Posted: Wed Aug 02, 2006 5:00 pm    Post subject: |   |  
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				| When I went there a few weeks ago, I got to here a lot of them speak. It sounds very strange, almost as if they are singing when they are talking. As other people said, they don't know some words. I was at a buffet and the food was cold, so I asked if they had a jeonja rangee (microwave, sorry, no Korean on this computer) and was just met with blank stares. I asked if they had beoteo (butter), once again, blank stares. She went on to say oh, the stuff that usually accompanies jam. And, I said Mahjayo. So, it's interesting talking to those guys. |  | 
	
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		| Francis-Pax 
 
  
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				|  Posted: Fri Aug 04, 2006 7:24 am    Post subject: Re: learning North Korean? |   |  
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	  | taobenli wrote: |  
	  | Hi, all- 
 I've been studying Korean for a few years and while I still have a long way to go, I've learned a lot. (I'm not an English teacher, but a grad student in the U.S. I'll be trying to come to Korea as often as I can to study more and do research).
 
 I'm really interested in learning North Korean dialect (okay, now if I start getting my phone tapped I'll know why!). I just don't know how to go about it. I can read the Rodong Shinmun at school, but surely people don't always talk like that.
 
 Anyone know of any good resources?
 
 Thanks!
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 As a person who is studying applied linguistics, I would say that something that would be a real help, beyond reading sources, is to hear how the dialect is spoken by speakers in the dialect community.  YouTube.com has  some North Korean clips (mainly propaganda) that might help you hear the sounds and usage in the North Korean dialect.  This is just one of many options.
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		| buster brown 
 
 
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				|  Posted: Sat Aug 05, 2006 8:30 am    Post subject: |   |  
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				| I bought a study book at the Pyongyang airport called Let's Learn Korean, published by the Foreign Languages Publishing House in Pyongyang .  Perhaps you could do a search and find an available copy?  There's a guy on E-Bay who sells authentic North Korean books, CDs, and other paraphernalia.  His handle is dprkstuff, if you email him, he might be able to come up with a copy for you. |  | 
	
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