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A benefit of xenophobia I can live with !
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charlieDD



Joined: 16 Jun 2006
Location: Seoul, Korea

PostPosted: Fri Aug 04, 2006 4:47 am    Post subject: A benefit of xenophobia I can live with ! Reply with quote

I get on a bus some mornings at its first stop out of the terminal and am usually the only person on it until the next stop. As the bus fills, I can rest assured that I will have nobody sitting next to me until every other seat in the bus has been taken and the one next to me is the only one left.

Often this means I get the use of both seats the whole long way.

If they want to avoid having to sit next to a foreigner, - - I can live with that!

BTW, I'm a typical white guy of average stature, actually close to the body size of your typical Korean at 63 kilos and 176 cm. I'm well dressed, well groomed. So, I do not think we can say that it is an "overbearing presence" that keeps them away.

Related: Got on the subway the other day in the late afternoon. Was fairly full, all seats taken . . . except two seats on the bench that three Sri Lankan workers were sitting on. People were choosing to stand rather than sit next to these dark-skinned workers. Once again, - - a benefit for me! I sat right down and had a really nice conversation with the guys, shaking hands with all three of them before getting off at my stop - - with the locals gawking at full tilt!
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Newbie



Joined: 07 Feb 2003

PostPosted: Fri Aug 04, 2006 5:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ah, Korea.

Sometimes you gotta love this place. Cute little buggars that they are
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endo



Joined: 14 Mar 2004
Location: Seoul...my home

PostPosted: Fri Aug 04, 2006 6:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

So true. I love the bus thing too. You don't want to sit beside me, great! More room for me.



I also had a similar experience on a crowded subway last year with a Pakistani buisnessman.

I kind if felt sorry for the guy. I mean the subway was full and the Koreans around him refused to sit next to him. Idiots.

So I sat next to him cause I was tired and we struck up an interesting conversation about Kashmir. Cool dude.
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Junior



Joined: 18 Nov 2005
Location: the eye

PostPosted: Fri Aug 04, 2006 6:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you took the average Korean to the west the men in white coats would immediately cart them away and treat them for severe cases of hysteria, nervousness and xenophobia, before releasing them to society at large.

unfortunately here the entire nation is down with it.
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captain planet



Joined: 18 Jul 2006

PostPosted: Fri Aug 04, 2006 5:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

yeah, that's true. koreans never leave this country. ever. none of them. for any reason.
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Kimchieluver



Joined: 02 Mar 2005

PostPosted: Fri Aug 04, 2006 5:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Actually koreans do leave Korea. They make sure however to surround themselves with as many koreans as possible and avoid all cuisine that is not Korean whenever possible.
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dodgybarnet



Joined: 10 Mar 2003
Location: Directly above the centre of the earth. On a kickboard.

PostPosted: Fri Aug 04, 2006 6:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'll add to that list.

If you ever get caught doing anything mildly naughty, like jay walking ("Come on people! I can see in both directions for a mile each way - there is no traffic, so I'm gonna just cross the road... oh hello officer!")... then you can smile benignly and pretend to not understand what the fuss is about. Usually after a few seconds of broken english from the cop (and his ontourage of buddies usually) they let you off with a wave.

Kinda like how celebrities and leggy blondes get off with stuff in the west I guess?
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jenna80ss



Joined: 25 Mar 2003
Location: Incheon

PostPosted: Fri Aug 04, 2006 6:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kimchieluver wrote:
Actually koreans do leave Korea. They make sure however to surround themselves with as many koreans as possible and avoid all cuisine that is not Korean whenever possible.



So very true! When my boyfriend and I left Korea for Thailand we landed with a bunch of Korean golfers and while waiting for our luggage saw a few LARGE boxes of Korean ramyon noodles being picked up by the Koreans.

Pretty funny.
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vlcupper



Joined: 12 Aug 2004
Location: Gangnam

PostPosted: Fri Aug 04, 2006 8:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have that happen to me on the subway all the time. The place will be packed before somebody sits next to me. I had to stupid bitches actually get into an argument about who would sit next to me once.


Definitely a perk.
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jajdude



Joined: 18 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Fri Aug 04, 2006 9:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't really notice that this has happened much to me. Sometimes I guess. Usually though someone will sit next to me on a bus or subway instead of standing. Sometimes I'd rather stand than squeeze into a seat on a crowded train, and standing on a bus sucks, definitely a last resort for me.

These days I never take a bus or subway anyway, in Gumi, just taxis now and then.

It's easy to feel self-conscious here isn't it?
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Junior



Joined: 18 Nov 2005
Location: the eye

PostPosted: Fri Aug 04, 2006 9:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I understand the awkwardness with being unable to communicate or speak eachothers language.

What i cannot forgive though is the ridiculous and often rude reactions koreans come out with when suddenly coming face to face with a "Waygook".
Not something you can ever really get used too. how long will it take before they change? seems worse this year than last.
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Qinella



Joined: 25 Feb 2005
Location: the crib

PostPosted: Fri Aug 04, 2006 9:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

jenna80ss wrote:
Kimchieluver wrote:
Actually koreans do leave Korea. They make sure however to surround themselves with as many koreans as possible and avoid all cuisine that is not Korean whenever possible.



So very true! When my boyfriend and I left Korea for Thailand we landed with a bunch of Korean golfers and while waiting for our luggage saw a few LARGE boxes of Korean ramyon noodles being picked up by the Koreans.

Pretty funny.


Hmm.. I've seen the ramen noodle boxes in airports, too, but assumed they were just used to pack things in. Could it really be noodles??? Shocked That's truly bizarre.
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djsmnc



Joined: 20 Jan 2003
Location: Dave's ESL Cafe

PostPosted: Fri Aug 04, 2006 9:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hmm, I don't know what routes you're taking, because I've always had people squeeze and sandwich me on public transportation. Do you wear deodorant?
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vlcupper



Joined: 12 Aug 2004
Location: Gangnam

PostPosted: Fri Aug 04, 2006 10:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

jajdude wrote:
It's easy to feel self-conscious here isn't it?




When people are staring with their jaws on the floor, taking pictures of you, screaming "HELLOIAMKOREAILOVEYOU" or asking if you're Russian while holding their wangs, nah I never feel self-conscious.
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charlieDD



Joined: 16 Jun 2006
Location: Seoul, Korea

PostPosted: Sat Aug 05, 2006 2:32 am    Post subject: as said above . . Reply with quote

djsmnc wrote:
Hmm, I don't know what routes you're taking, because I've always had people squeeze and sandwich me on public transportation. Do you wear deodorant?


As I said above, I'm a well-groomed individual, so that should of course be taken to mean I'm not odorous! Laughing (Cetainly not like the aujolshees who get on the bus reeking of cigarettes and alcohol, but who Koreans seem to prefer to sit next to more than me.)

If I were a big guy - - you know, like over six feet, 100 kilos plus, and had a beard, was unshaven, had long hair, wear a strong or unusual cologne (I wear just a touch of BVL by BLVGARI, a rather expensive brand preferred by Koreans) - - - anything like that - - well, then maybe I could figure it out. But actually, like I said, I'm about the size of any Korean, maybe, well groomed, clean, "blonde hair / blue eyed" type of typical westerner, the type you hear they love to hire, to be with, have posters hanging up of. I'm friendly, with always a friendly smile and demeanor, can speak Korean enough to chit chat, etc. I don't open the window (Koreans don't like it); I don't open the aircon vents full blast (they don't like that either). I've tried, in an experiment, to take different seats to see if it was the location of the seat, but no different reaction. In short, there is nothing about me or where I am sitting that should drive them away! The only thing left is: I'm a foreigner and they don't want to sit next to a foreigner.

I can understand the girls not wanting the Korean men seeing them sitting next to a foreign man because of the way things are here. Don't agree with the reality, but it is the reality.

The others (besides the girls), I can think of no other reason.

Oh, the route: Bundang to Seoul ; Seoul to Bundang. Happens on just about any other bus or on the KTX; on the subway if there is an option.

In fact, if another seat becomes available on the subway or on the bus, many times the person sitting next to me will get up and move to it.

It just happens so predictably that I will have that seat next to me until it is absolutely the last one that it is clearly not simply an isolated incidence; it's a trend!
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