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Juregen



Joined: 30 May 2006

PostPosted: Wed Aug 09, 2006 7:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

daskalos wrote:

I'll be gone in a year, two at most, so beyond the half dozen polite phrases, and since my inherent interest in the country/culture is middling, and since I have a rich inner life that occupies me fully, yeah, it would be a waste of time to learn a language I could in no way become fluent in during my time here and for which I'll have no use someday before too long. Thanks for asking.


U Full a Crap man! Word.
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Qinella



Joined: 25 Feb 2005
Location: the crib

PostPosted: Wed Aug 09, 2006 7:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Usually Koreans don't switch out an L for an R. What I usually hear is just a bunch of ㄹs if the speaker has bad pronunciation. Like, really turns into 릴리. No way to really write that in English because it's rougher than "lilly".

Changing fly to fry? That's really odd.
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vox



Joined: 13 Feb 2005
Location: Jeollabukdo

PostPosted: Wed Aug 09, 2006 5:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

At a wedding in NJ, I heard a tenor soloist (must have been a New Jersey native) sing the opening line of his solo from the gallery -

" Oh po-oi-fect love.."
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Teufelswacht



Joined: 06 Sep 2004
Location: Land Of The Not Quite Right

PostPosted: Wed Aug 09, 2006 10:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

JJK1 wrote:
Who cares. I'm sure you guys are able to pronounce Korean words without an accent


True.

But....

I'll stop making fun of them, when they murder English, just as soon as they stop making fun of me, when I murder Korean.

Deal?
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Guri Guy



Joined: 07 Sep 2003
Location: Bamboo Island

PostPosted: Wed Aug 09, 2006 10:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Exactly. They murder English as much as we murder Korean. Both languages are a b**** for pronounciation.
Maybe that's why I like Japanese so much. It is far easier to pronounce and you can get great amusement out of the crappy Janglish. Laughing
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the eye



Joined: 29 Jan 2004

PostPosted: Wed Aug 09, 2006 11:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

JJK1 wrote:
Who cares. I'm sure you guys are able to pronounce Korean words without an accent


I can. I've been mistaken for BEING a native korean speaker. What's so difficult about it?
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Julius



Joined: 27 Jul 2006

PostPosted: Thu Aug 10, 2006 5:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Worst are those live "norae" shows on the radio where people call in and sing. Especially if the bus driver has it on a long trip. Some terribly scalded cats to be heard squaling. They sing the same song over and over, then play a few western hits, subtly belittling and patronising them as they go.
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Privateer



Joined: 31 Aug 2005
Location: Easy Street.

PostPosted: Thu Aug 10, 2006 5:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Guri Guy wrote:
Exactly. They murder English as much as we murder Korean. Both languages are a b**** for pronounciation.
Maybe that's why I like Japanese so much. It is far easier to pronounce and you can get great amusement out of the crappy Janglish. Laughing


What he said.

We should remember this thread the next time someone complains that no-one understands them when they try to speak Korean.
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Zulu



Joined: 28 Apr 2006

PostPosted: Thu Aug 10, 2006 9:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Actually the r/l thing doesn't matter to me, probably because I'm used to it, and like somebody said, my Korean pronunciation isn't anything to write home about either.

But if you've ever gone to the webpages of some of the biggest companies and government agencies in the country, well, let's just say the English language there ain't purdy. Likewise trying to get information in English (from their 'English' page) makes Microsoft's Online Help Center seem attentive by comparison. It'd probably be better just to delete those pages and drop the pretense of English customer service.
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VanIslander



Joined: 18 Aug 2003
Location: Geoje, Hadong, Tongyeong,... now in a small coastal island town outside Gyeongsangnamdo!

PostPosted: Mon Aug 21, 2006 4:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The commercial was on again TWICE in the last ten minutes on OCN.

I don't have the t.v. on often, so I assume the commercial has been on frequently this month.

Funny when you first hear it, eh? Smile
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basplar



Joined: 14 Jan 2006
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Tue Aug 22, 2006 7:10 am    Post subject: I saw that commercial, then fell in the floor laughing! Reply with quote

It's quite sad that the Korean music scene/ Korean musicians in Korea are so lame that they actually get paid MAJOR BUCKS by advertising companies to sound so ignorant! They could do so much better, but just seem content with copying everybody else and just being what I like to call "textbook" musicians. I don't go around trying to make advertisements using Korean because I know that if I did, my accent would be horrible. If you're going to spend all of that money to pay musicians to sing English songs, at least make sure they don't do something as embarassing as sing "fry me to the moon" and ruin a perfectly good Frank Sinatra song. I know quite a bit about being a musician/ commercial writer/ recording/ AND teaching English, because I do all of them and have studied all of them for years. That's just the commercial side. On the side of musical integrity, there's nothing wrong with copying other musicians as long as you eventually are creative and innovative. My observation about the music scene here (especially Korean musicians) is that most of the musicians are afraid to go "out of the box" when it comes to music. Most of the musicians are "textbook" musicians. The rockers play "textbook rock", the jazzers "textbook" jazz, etc......and never try to innovate and be creative. They seem more content with rehashing the same stuff over an over again. It's been said that, "imitation is the highest form of flattery,� but, you still have to be creative, innovative and don't be afraid to go "outside of the box." This is all beside the fact that for the most part, the music scene here is pretty lame because most people here don't support live music. If the live music scene here had more support, people might have a little more incentive to be creative. I understand that there's a commercial side to music, having studied commercial music/recording in college, but that's no excuse to not be creative. On a final note, Korean musicians owe it to themselves to try to be innovative and creative and stop being such "textbook" musicians. Sorry everyone, but I had to vent about something I've been thinking about for the 3 years I've been in Korea. BE CREATIVE!!!!

Peace
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Mashimaro



Joined: 31 Jan 2003
Location: location, location

PostPosted: Tue Aug 22, 2006 3:02 pm    Post subject: Re: I saw that commercial, then fell in the floor laughing! Reply with quote

basplar wrote:
It's quite sad that the Korean music scene/ Korean musicians in Korea are so lame that they actually get paid MAJOR BUCKS by advertising companies to sound so ignorant! They could do so much better, but just seem content with copying everybody else and just being what I like to call "textbook" musicians. I don't go around trying to make advertisements using Korean because I know that if I did, my accent would be horrible. If you're going to spend all of that money to pay musicians to sing English songs, at least make sure they don't do something as embarassing as sing "fry me to the moon" and ruin a perfectly good Frank Sinatra song. I know quite a bit about being a musician/ commercial writer/ recording/ AND teaching English, because I do all of them and have studied all of them for years. That's just the commercial side. On the side of musical integrity, there's nothing wrong with copying other musicians as long as you eventually are creative and innovative. My observation about the music scene here (especially Korean musicians) is that most of the musicians are afraid to go "out of the box" when it comes to music. Most of the musicians are "textbook" musicians. The rockers play "textbook rock", the jazzers "textbook" jazz, etc......and never try to innovate and be creative. They seem more content with rehashing the same stuff over an over again. It's been said that, "imitation is the highest form of flattery,� but, you still have to be creative, innovative and don't be afraid to go "outside of the box." This is all beside the fact that for the most part, the music scene here is pretty lame because most people here don't support live music. If the live music scene here had more support, people might have a little more incentive to be creative. I understand that there's a commercial side to music, having studied commercial music/recording in college, but that's no excuse to not be creative. On a final note, Korean musicians owe it to themselves to try to be innovative and creative and stop being such "textbook" musicians. Sorry everyone, but I had to vent about something I've been thinking about for the 3 years I've been in Korea. BE CREATIVE!!!!

Peace


If you read the rest of the thread you would have seen that the singer is most likely Japanese and not Korean. At least aim you rants at the correct country.
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basplar



Joined: 14 Jan 2006
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Tue Aug 22, 2006 9:20 pm    Post subject: Think a little more carefully about what I said!! Reply with quote

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If you read the rest of the thread you would have seen that the singer is most likely Japanese and not Korean. At least aim you rants at the correct country.
My "rants" weren't aimed specifcally at the commercial(If you even took the time to read my comments), but more about the music scene in Korea and creativity in music. As for your comment, during my travels in Japan, I've observed that their accent is just as bad, if not worse, than here, but that doesn't change the fact that Koreans use English in commercials all the time and TOTALLY bastardize the pronunciation. Think about the "Rush and Cash" commercials you see on tv all the time. When that commerical first came out over a year ago, the girl was saying "rush n' casheee", and then they quickly remade the commercial because of the obvious bad pronunciation. And like I said before, I wouldn't try to make a commercial in Korean, because I know my accent would be horrible. If you're going to make a "professional" product like a commercial....at least make it "sound" professional. Oh....and on a side note.....if I hear one more Korean band that sounds like Oasis here that claims their music is orginal, I'm going to SCREAM!!!

Peace
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Mashimaro



Joined: 31 Jan 2003
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 22, 2006 9:36 pm    Post subject: Re: Think a little more carefully about what I said!! Reply with quote

basplar wrote:
If you're going to make a "professional" product like a commercial....at least make it "sound" professional.
Peace

It only has to sound "professional" to the target audience who in this case is not white english teachers.
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basplar



Joined: 14 Jan 2006
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Wed Aug 23, 2006 12:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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It only has to sound "professional" to the target audience who in this case is not white english teachers.


Well....it still doesn't make it ok to be wrong!! Just because the target audience is Koreans and not white english teachers, doesn't justify being wrong. Gonna' have to come up with a lot stronger point than who the target audience is to convince me that it's ok to completely butcher it. And I realize that in the grand scheme of things, and in the grand scheme of life, it ultimately doesn't affect your life or mine. It's just an observation about a stupid commercial with someone that doesn't care enough to make it correct.
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