Site Search:
 
Speak Korean Now!
Teach English Abroad and Get Paid to see the World!
Korean Job Discussion Forums Forum Index Korean Job Discussion Forums
"The Internet's Meeting Place for ESL/EFL Teachers from Around the World!"
 
 FAQFAQ   SearchSearch   MemberlistMemberlist   UsergroupsUsergroups   RegisterRegister 
 ProfileProfile   Log in to check your private messagesLog in to check your private messages   Log inLog in 

Why are there no donkeys in Korea?
Goto page 1, 2, 3  Next
 
Post new topic   Reply to topic    Korean Job Discussion Forums Forum Index -> General Discussion Forum
View previous topic :: View next topic  
Author Message
ariellowen



Joined: 19 Apr 2006

PostPosted: Mon Aug 14, 2006 7:20 am    Post subject: Why are there no donkeys in Korea? Reply with quote

Why are there no donkeys in Korea?

Just about every country I have been in (not that many, fifteen), I have seen donkeys, or some sort of beasts of burden-- but I have never seen a donkey in Korea; or for that matter, any other beast of burden.

Why is this?

If you have doubts, go to "Google Images" and search for 'donkey Syria' or 'donkey China' or even 'donkey Cambodia' or 'donkey Canada' and you will see many pictures of donkeys. But when you search for 'donkey Korea' you will not see any donkeys what so ever.

My first theory as to why there are no donkeys in Korea, is that man himself has been the traditional beast of burden in Korea. It is easy enough to find a picture or drawing of a 'Korean coolie' and also of a 'Korean Sedan Chair' (check these terms out on "Google Images"). The words 'Asia' and 'Korean' appear right in the first sentence of the definition of 'coolie' on "Wikipedia." Coolies and Sedan Chairs were (I think) never common in the West. Is this because of some sort of divergence in the Eastern and Western concepts of labor or man?

However, the above seems unduly philosophical. My second theory was that the donkey never "made it to" Korea. "Wikipedia" says that the donkey originated in Nubia (south Egypt), and from there spread through out the Middle-East, Europe, and was eventually brought to the New World. Furthermore, it is possible to find images of water buffalo acting as beasts of burden in old pictures taken in Korea (see 'water buffalo korea' on "Google Images"). But there are still so many un-answered questions; the horse made it to Korea by Shilla times if not earlier, so why did a small horse never serve as a beast of burden in Korea, as is the case in at least some parts of South-East Asia? Or did it? On "Google Images," 'donkey India' provides many images, so perhaps this is the route that brought donkeys into 'Indo-China'? I have also heard rumors that there were some camels in Korea of old, if this is in fact true, it seems impossible that donkeys wouldn't have made it. And how prevelent was the use of water buffaloes as beasts of burden in old Korea, would it be wrong to imagine that Korea had and probably still has a lowly opinion of human labor? Certainly Koreans have a very endurance minded view of work.

Any insights?


Last edited by ariellowen on Mon Aug 14, 2006 7:24 am; edited 1 time in total
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
heydelores



Joined: 24 Apr 2006

PostPosted: Mon Aug 14, 2006 7:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

My father lived in Korea in the early 70s and has photos of water buffalo. He even helped plow a rice field with one once.

I have no idea about donkeys, though.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
laogaiguk



Joined: 06 Dec 2005
Location: somewhere in Korea

PostPosted: Mon Aug 14, 2006 7:24 am    Post subject: Re: Why are there no donkeys in Korea? Reply with quote

ariellowen wrote:
Why are there no donkeys in Korea?

Just about every country I have been in (not that many, fifteen), I have seen donkeys, or some sort of beasts of burden-- but I have never seen a donkey in Korea; or for that matter, any other beast of burden.

Why is this?

If you have doubts, go to "Google Images" and search for 'donkey Syria' or 'donkey China' or even 'donkey Cambodia' or 'donkey Canada' and you will see many pictures of donkeys. But when you search for 'donkey Korea' you will not see any donkeys what so ever.

My first theory as to why there are no donkeys in Korea, is that man himself has been the traditional beast of burden in Korea. It is easy enough to find a picture or drawing of a 'Korean coolie' and also of a 'Korean Sedan Chair' (check these terms out on "Google Images"). The words 'Asia' and 'Korean' appear right in the first sentence of the definition of 'coolie' on "Wikipedia." Coolies and Sedan Chairs were (I think) never common in the West. Is this because of some sort of divergence in the Eastern and Western concepts of labor or man?

However, the above seems unduly philosophical. My second theory was that the donkey never "made it to" Korea. "Wikipedia" says that the donkey originated in Nubia (south Egypt), and from there spread through out the Middle-East, Europe, and was eventually brought to the New World. Furthermore, it is possible to find images of water buffalo acting as beasts of burden in old pictures taken in Korea (see 'water buffalo korea' on "Google Images"). But there are still so many un-answered questions; the horse made it to Korea by Shilla times if not earlier, so why did a small horse never serve as a beast of burden in Korea, as is the case in at least some parts of South-East Asia? On "Google Images," 'donkey India' provides many images, so perhaps this is the route that brought donkeys into 'Indo-China'? I have also heard rumors that there were some camels in Korea of old, if this is in fact true, it seems impossible that donkeys wouldn't have made it. And how prevelent was the use of water buffalos as beasts of burden in old Korea, would it be wrong to imagine that Korea had and probably still has a lowly opinion of human labor? Certainly Koreans have a very endurance minded view of work.

Any insights?


심심 하지요??? You're bored, aren't you? The Rock is on, which is a good movie, but I think I have seen it too many times Wink
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Woland



Joined: 10 May 2006
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Mon Aug 14, 2006 7:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Donkey - that's good eatin'!

(I'm feeling very silly tonight)
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Ya-ta Boy



Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994

PostPosted: Mon Aug 14, 2006 7:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
Why are there no donkeys in Korea?


Because the asses are imported from English-speaking countries?
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Woland



Joined: 10 May 2006
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Mon Aug 14, 2006 7:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ya-ta Boy wrote:
Quote:
Why are there no donkeys in Korea?


Because the asses are imported from English-speaking countries?


Your wit beats mine. I bow to you.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
maerong



Joined: 18 Sep 2003

PostPosted: Mon Aug 14, 2006 12:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The donkey disappeared from Korea after a breeding pair of "donkey-chicken" escaped from a research facility at Seoul National University. The pure bred donkeys were no match for the genetically superior donkey-chicken and died out within a couple of generations.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
SuperFly



Joined: 09 Jul 2003
Location: In the doghouse

PostPosted: Mon Aug 14, 2006 1:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's not true at all. Why do some people always want to beat on the Koreans? What really happened is that during the occupation of Korea by Japan (1905-1945) all the donkeys were taken by the Japanese, along with all the grass, the trees and the girls.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
doggyji



Joined: 21 Feb 2006
Location: Toronto - Hamilton - Vineland - St. Catherines

PostPosted: Mon Aug 14, 2006 1:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lately, it looks most Korean e-donkey servers died out... that's sad. Crying or Very sad
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Grotto



Joined: 21 Mar 2004

PostPosted: Mon Aug 14, 2006 5:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

pretty much the same reason there are no horses for the most part....no plains, lots of mountains....asses and horses dont produce edible products and were therefore of no use.

Cows: meat, milk
Chicken:meat eggs
fish:meat, eggs
bondeggi:larva.....not really sure why they like it but they do
asses:good to ride..not so good to eat
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
jinks



Joined: 27 Oct 2004
Location: Formerly: Lower North Island

PostPosted: Mon Aug 14, 2006 5:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I saw two donkeys in Gyeongnam, Geochang.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Zulu



Joined: 28 Apr 2006

PostPosted: Mon Aug 14, 2006 5:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Woland wrote:
Ya-ta Boy wrote:
Quote:
Why are there no donkeys in Korea?


Because the asses are imported from English-speaking countries?


Your wit beats mine. I bow to you.



Of course I disagree, but it was funny anyway. Laughing
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Hyeon Een



Joined: 24 Jun 2005

PostPosted: Mon Aug 14, 2006 6:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Koreans used to use donkeys back in the day.
Here's a picture of an official's donkey:


Quote:


...Coreans, who, if carried at all, prefer to be carried either in a sedan-chair, an easy and comfortable way of going about, or else, should they be in a hurry and not wish to travel in grand style, on pony or donkey's back.


and more about the ponies:

Quote:

(The pony drivers..) take fairly good care of their minuscule quadrupeds. They feed them, usually three times a day, with boiled chopped straw and beans, and grass in summer-time, and with this diet you see the little brutes, which are only about 10 hands high, and even less sometimes, go twenty-five or thirty miles a day quite easily, with a weight of a couple of hundred pounds on their backs, quickly toddling along without stopping, unless it be to administer a sound kick to some bystander or to bite the legs of the rider. These ponies have a funny little way of getting from under you, if you ride them with an English saddle. They bend their legs till they see you firmly planted on the ground, and then quickly withdraw backwards leaving you, with your legs wide apart and standing like a fool, to meditate on equine wickedness in the Realm of the Morning Calm. They are indeed the trickiest little devils for their size I have ever seen; and for viciousness and love of fighting, I can recommend you to no steed more capable of showing these qualities. The average price of an animal as above described varies from the large sum of five shillings to as much as thirty shillings (at the rate of two shillings per Mexican dollar), the price of course varying, as with us, according to the breed, age, training, condition, &c., of the animal.

These ponies are much used all over the kingdom, for good roads for wheel traffic hardly exist in the country, and wide horse-tracks form practically the whole means of communication between the capital and the most important ports and cities in the different provinces of Corea. They are used both for riding purposes and as pack-ponies, "for light articles only," like the racks in our railway carriages, but when heavy loads are to be conveyed from one place to another, especially over long distances, the frail pony is discarded and replaced by the sturdy ox.


I think the writer was using the terms pony and donkey to talk about the same animal. Looks kinda donkey like to me.

(excerpts from "Corea or Chosen: Land of the Morning Calm")
http://wiki.galbijim.com/Corea_or_Cho-sen
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
ariellowen



Joined: 19 Apr 2006

PostPosted: Tue Aug 15, 2006 1:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hmm.... Some intersesting things to think about here. So there were donkeys and small horses in old Korea, and at least a few are still to be found. Very interesting. I have many times been so amazed at seeing farm work here done by hand, perhaps beasts of burden are very unprofitable for these tasks?
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
VanIslander



Joined: 18 Aug 2003
Location: Geoje, Hadong, Tongyeong,... now in a small coastal island town outside Gyeongsangnamdo!

PostPosted: Tue Aug 15, 2006 1:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Display posts from previous:   
Post new topic   Reply to topic    Korean Job Discussion Forums Forum Index -> General Discussion Forum All times are GMT - 8 Hours
Goto page 1, 2, 3  Next
Page 1 of 3

 
Jump to:  
You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum


This page is maintained by the one and only Dave Sperling.
Contact Dave's ESL Cafe
Copyright © 2018 Dave Sperling. All Rights Reserved.

Powered by phpBB © 2001, 2002 phpBB Group

TEFL International Supports Dave's ESL Cafe
TEFL Courses, TESOL Course, English Teaching Jobs - TEFL International