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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
Joined: 25 May 2003
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 Posted: Wed Aug 16, 2006 3:24 am Post subject: |
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| According to the following article, more than 1/3 Americans have suspicions about the official version of 9/11. |
And I recall seeing the results of a poll in 2002/03 where something like almost two thirds of the respondents thought that Saddam Hussein was responsible for 9/11. |
Still, the Hussein scapegoating ploy has proved to be utter & rightfully embarassing nonsense.
Honestly, is there even any disputing this anymore?
Aimed at "de-bunking" alternative investigative 9/11 scenarios, the Chertoffs' Poop-u-lar Mechanics whitewash piece actually did more to raise even more suspicions & doubt re: the story-line the insiders have worked so at propagating to the world at large.
Have no fear mind you Bully:
REPETITION = TRUTH
George Orwell |
The story...
The senior researcher on Popular Mechanics March 2005 "911: Debunking the Myths" story, Ben Chertoff, is a cousin of Department of Homeland Security chief Michael Chertoff. Chris Bollyn wrote:
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This means that Hearst paid Benjamin Chertoff to write an article supporting the seriously flawed explanation that is based on a practically non-existent investigation of the terror event that directly led to the creation of the massive national security department his "cousin" now heads. This is exactly the kind of "journalism" one would expect to find in a dictatorship like that of Saddam Hussein's Iraq.
Because the manager of public relations for Popular Mechanics didn't respond to repeated calls from American Free Press, I called Benjamin Chertoff, the magazine's "senior researcher," directly.
Chertoff said he was the "senior researcher" of the piece. When asked if he was related to Michael Chertoff, he said, "I don't know." Clearly uncomfortable about discussing the matter further, he told me that all questions about the article should be put to the publicist ? the one who never answers the phone.
Benjamin's mother in Pelham, New York, however, was more willing to talk. Asked if Benjamin was related to the new Secretary of Homeland Security, Judy said, "Yes, of course, he is a cousin."
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/march2005/070305chertoffscousin.htm |
Our take...
We never actually thought to doubt this claim, simply believing it irrelevant. The piece needs to be judged on its contents, not the surname of one of those involved. But then we heard a suggestion that Benjamin Chertoff denied the story altogether, so decided to email him to hear what he had to say. Was he really related to Michael Chertoff? And if he wasn't, then how could he explain the quote from his mother?
This is what he had to say.
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Here's the story, as best as I know: I'm not related to Michael Chertoff, at least in any way I can figure out. We might be distant relatives, 15 times removed, but then again, so might you and I. Bottom line is I've never met him, never communicated with him, and nobody I know in my family has ever met or communicated with him.
As for what my mom said: When Chertoff was nominated to be head of homeland security it was the first I'd heard of him, and the same for my family (and, FYI, we'd already sent the 9/11 issue to the press by then!). My dad and I thought there might be some distant relation. When Chris Bollyn called and asked my mom if there was a relation (introducing himself as only "Chris"), she said "they might be distant cousins." Like much in the conspiracy world, this was taken WAY out of context. (Another case in point: Bollyn called me earlier and asked "Were you the senior researcher on the story?" I said, "I guess so," -- that's not a title I have ever used, nor is it at all common in magazine journalism, but I was the research editor at the time, so it kinda made sense.) Nonetheless, I was one of 9 reporters on the story, not counting editors, photo researchers, photo editors, copy editors, layout designers, production managers, fact-checkers, etc., etc., etc. who worked on this story. |
Chertoff paints a very different picture from the original story. Some will say he�s lying, of course, but in that case it shouldn�t be too difficult to prove: go to it. And in the meantime, this acts as a useful reminder to everyone, including us: don�t take any 9/11-related claims for granted, whether they come from someone on your �side� of the argument or not.
http://www.911myths.com/html/benjamin_chertoff.html |
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mindmetoo
Joined: 02 Feb 2004
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| Posted: Wed Aug 16, 2006 4:05 am Post subject: |
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Well doesn't IGTG look like the biggest bung hole of the century. Didn't he once claim Neil Armstrong NEVER gives interviews about Apollo 11 and someone did a quick google and turned up half a dozen recent interviews?
Funny thing about IGTG, he never admits he's wrong. He just moves on to the next wild claim. |
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igotthisguitar
Joined: 08 Apr 2003
Location: South Korea (Permanent Vacation)
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| Posted: Wed Aug 16, 2006 6:08 am Post subject: |
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| mindmetoo wrote: |
Well doesn't IGTG look like the biggest bung hole of the century. Didn't he once claim Neil Armstrong NEVER gives interviews about Apollo 11 and someone did a quick google and turned up half a dozen recent interviews?
Funny thing about IGTG, he never admits he's wrong. He just moves on to the next wild claim. |
While of course i can & will admit i'm "wrong" where i am, where was did i state this business re: Armstrong?
For the record, many commentators have found it odd how he has over the years been so reluctant to give interviews. If it's true he's now keen on the idea, why do think that would be?
re: 911
Maybe you can get together with Joo & work on "explaining away" the Israeli Mossad agents celebrating the destruction of the WTC buildings.
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=911+israeli+agents+celebrating+
It's why they pay you all the big bucks isn't it? |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
Joined: 25 May 2003
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W.T.Carl
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Wed Aug 16, 2006 12:24 pm Post subject: |
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| We all know that it was an inside job because all the Jews who worked there missed work that day. This has to be true because I read about it on the internet. I also saw this movie that said the same thing. I also saw this movie where this little girl in Kansas is picked up in a tornado and set down on this witch and then she had to travel on this yellow brick............ |
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Bulsajo
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Wed Aug 16, 2006 1:01 pm Post subject: |
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While of course i can & will admit i'm "wrong" where i am |
I'd love to see that, can you put links to threads where you've admitted being wrong?
Or, are you saying that- as far as you're concerned- you've never been wrong here?
For example you still believe that you were right to refer to a particular cultural/ethnic/religious group as "ashke-nazis?
That wasn't wrong?
So, we were wrong to complain about that?
The mods were wrong to pull it and warn you about it? (I see you've gone back to your "I've been muzzled" avatar again- I'm surprised you don't use a flag flying upside down).
I see, very interesting.
What about "Nips"?
Rather than admit you were wrong, you adamantly argued that it isn't a derogatory comment, much to everyone's amusement (and/or embarrassment).
How about, when I asked whether your "quote" of George Orwell's ("repetition = truth" -George Orwell) was legit, and demended you show the source, you didn't admit you were wrong, even though you clearly were; you didn't even attempt to make up an excuse but instead called me a "freemason" [which, for the record, I am not, but of course it's completely irrelevent, and I may join up just to spite you], as if calling me a Freemason somehow absolved you of responsibility for making up false statements and attributing them to famous people.
And then there were your posts on the Holocaust, also pulled by the mods, which you now conveniently claim not to remember at all.
I'm sure we could make quite a list of all your foolishness.
We could put it all in a thread and call it "Igotthisguitar-watch", or "Sanity-watch" or something, and then when you make claims to having not written or not remembering a particular post, we could easily refer you to it.
You'd find that helpful, wouldn't you? I think we all would.
Your "memory" is the biggest enemy of truth that this board has.
"I forgive my best friend Igothisguitar for all of his lies and deceit." - Hassan "The Party Animal" Nazrallah |
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mindmetoo
Joined: 02 Feb 2004
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| Posted: Wed Aug 16, 2006 3:35 pm Post subject: |
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| igotthisguitar wrote: |
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Well doesn't IGTG look like the biggest bung hole of the century. Didn't he once claim Neil Armstrong NEVER gives interviews about Apollo 11 and someone did a quick google and turned up half a dozen recent interviews?
Funny thing about IGTG, he never admits he's wrong. He just moves on to the next wild claim. |
While of course i can & will admit i'm "wrong" where i am, where was did i state this business re: Armstrong? |
So do you admit you were duped by a source you seem to trust and you ended up spreading a false rumor in support of your beliefs? |
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mindmetoo
Joined: 02 Feb 2004
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| Posted: Wed Aug 16, 2006 4:04 pm Post subject: |
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| igotthisguitar wrote: |
For the record, many commentators have found it odd how he has over the years been so reluctant to give interviews. If it's true he's now keen on the idea, why do think that would be? |
Define reluctant? He was a teacher for 8 years after Apollo. He's led a fairly public life. He doesn't give a lot of interviews with the media because he's trying to hide the fake moon landings? Or he's just, I dunno, busy with educating youth and his own business activities? Yes, terribly sorry he's reluctant to talk to Saucer Watch. If there's been any uptick in his granting of interviews, well, again no surprise. Recently he had an officially approved biography come out about him. I guess he's trying to help book sales.
Armstrong has always generally been a private person and concerned with the dignity of the space program. He's hardly tried to cash in on his celebrity in the fashion a man could have. |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
Joined: 25 May 2003
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| Posted: Wed Aug 16, 2006 4:49 pm Post subject: |
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| Bulsajo wrote: |
| igotthisguitar wrote: |
While of course i can & will admit i'm "wrong" where i am |
I'd love to see that, can you put links to threads where you've admitted being wrong?
Or, are you saying that- as far as you're concerned- you've never been wrong here?
For example you still believe that you were right to refer to a particular cultural/ethnic/religious group as "ashke-nazis?
That wasn't wrong?
So, we were wrong to complain about that?
The mods were wrong to pull it and warn you about it? (I see you've gone back to your "I've been muzzled" avatar again- I'm surprised you don't use a flag flying upside down).
I see, very interesting.
What about "Nips"?
Rather than admit you were wrong, you adamantly argued that it isn't a derogatory comment, much to everyone's amusement (and/or embarrassment).
How about, when I asked whether your "quote" of George Orwell's ("repetition = truth" -George Orwell) was legit, and demended you show the source, you didn't admit you were wrong, even though you clearly were; you didn't even attempt to make up an excuse but instead called me a "freemason" [which, for the record, I am not, but of course it's completely irrelevent, and I may join up just to spite you], as if calling me a Freemason somehow absolved you of responsibility for making up false statements and attributing them to famous people.
And then there were your posts on the Holocaust, also pulled by the mods, which you now conveniently claim not to remember at all.
I'm sure we could make quite a list of all your foolishness.
We could put it all in a thread and call it "Igotthisguitar-watch", or "Sanity-watch" or something, and then when you make claims to having not written or not remembering a particular post, we could easily refer you to it.
You'd find that helpful, wouldn't you? I think we all would.
Your "memory" is the biggest enemy of truth that this board has.
"I forgive my best friend Igothisguitar for all of his lies and deceit." - Hassan "The Party Animal" Nazrallah |
I am sorry the mods pulled it. I think Igothisguitars's posts should be available for all to see. |
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igotthisguitar
Joined: 08 Apr 2003
Location: South Korea (Permanent Vacation)
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| Posted: Thu Aug 17, 2006 1:20 am Post subject: |
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| Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee wrote: |
| I am sorry the mods pulled it. I think Igothisguitars's posts should be available for all to see. |
Thanks Joo ...
And to think all this time friends here were telling me you were a radickal supporter of "selective" speech, "sanitized" truth etc.
Still not clear on what was "pulled" exactly ( other than WTC7 ) 
Of course there were no Ashken (noone-among-us-has-ever-acted-like-a-Nazi) azis among the ranks of these whacked-out jingoist nutjobs.
A small glimpse here into the violent historical role of Eastern Europe's "non" semitic Jews paving the way to modern-day Israel's "National Socialism" 
EARLY ZIONIST TERRORIST GANGS
Soon after the end of World War II, there were three basic para-military Zionist organizations in Palestine, working against the Arab people, with the specific purpose of driving it out of Palestine.
These were the Haganah, the Irgun Zvai Leumi and the Stern Gang.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haganah
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irgun_Zvai_Leumi
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stern_Gang
Before the British Mandate, the Jewish settlers had formed a group of mounted armed watchmen called "Hashomar" and with the advent of the British Mandate, it became the Haganah (Defense). With a membership of 60,000 Zionist Jews, the Haganah had a field army of 16,000 trained men and a unit called the Palmach, which was a full-time force, numbering about 6000.
The Irgun Zvai Leumi included between 3000 and 5000 armed terrorists, and grew out of the Haganah and its Palmach branch in 1933. The Irgun was not ready to obey the Jewish Agency which sought to dilute the terror of the Haganah in order not to lose its respectability.
In 1939, one of Irgun's commanding officers, Abraham Stern, left the parent organization and formed the Stern Gang, numbering some 200 to 300 dangerous fanatics.
SOME EARLY EXAMPLES OF JEWISH-ZIONIST TERROR
http://guardian.150m.com/palestine/jewish-terrorism.htm |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
Joined: 25 May 2003
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| Posted: Thu Aug 17, 2006 2:17 am Post subject: |
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A few Pictures can say more
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igotthisguitar
Joined: 08 Apr 2003
Location: South Korea (Permanent Vacation)
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| Posted: Thu Aug 17, 2006 9:41 pm Post subject: |
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A few Pictures can say more
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Well, as the old saying goes: a picture is worth 1,000 words.
Between Hitler's ( "face value" ) relationship with the Mufti, moden Islamo-fascism, & terrorist groups such as the Stern Gang and various other nefarious Zionist elements, it's clear to me that what we're essentially looking at here are TWO SIDES of the SAME COIN. |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
Joined: 25 May 2003
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| Posted: Fri Aug 18, 2006 2:29 am Post subject: |
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�if they (Jews) all gather in Israel, it will save us the trouble of going after them worldwide.�
Hizbullah leader Sayyed Hassan Nasrallah
Nasrallah alleges �Christian Zionist� plot
The Daily Star ^ | October 23 2002 | Badih Chayban
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/774649/posts |
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igotthisguitar
Joined: 08 Apr 2003
Location: South Korea (Permanent Vacation)
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| Posted: Fri Aug 18, 2006 2:54 am Post subject: |
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| Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee wrote: |
�if they (Jews) all gather in Israel, it will save us the trouble of going after them worldwide.�
Hizbullah leader Sayyed Hassan Nasrallah
Nasrallah alleges �Christian Zionist� plot
The Daily Star ^ | October 23 2002 | Badih Chayban
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/774649/posts |
And of course any quotes highlighting similar "pseudo" semitic Zionist sentiments re:
the total eradication the Middle East's Arab populations are all merely Hamas "fabricated", right Joo?
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired
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| Posted: Fri Aug 18, 2006 3:00 am Post subject: |
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One can only wish it were more effective. |
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