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Warning Bells or just typical last-minuteness?
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dreaming_saturn



Joined: 26 May 2004

PostPosted: Thu Aug 17, 2006 4:47 pm    Post subject: Warning Bells or just typical last-minuteness? Reply with quote

Ok, so it's 10 days before I fly out to Korea.

This morning I go and pick up my Visa, no problems there, I'm starting to feel a bit jittery but excited to go. Looks like everything is legal.

I get home and call up the aeroflot officed to ask about my ticket, it's been booked for about a month for me, school was to pay it in advance as stated on the contract but last time I checked it was reserved and not paid for, so I ask again just to see where and when I need to pick it up. Ticket is still not paid for.

I have been in touch with the director and a former teacher via email, I email them both and say what's up, and get a reply from the director along the lines of - his credit card will not be accepted by the company (Aeroflot, which may actually be possible as it's a no-frills russian deal?) and asks if I can pay the ticket myself. He will transfer the money to my account or pay me back when I get there. He tells me "You can trust me" - something that usually if someone says that, I don't trust them.

So, I had quite a good feeling about the school when I talked to the teacher before, but have since found out that the two teachers that I had been speaking to have left or are leaving this month, so starting to get a bit nervous.

So, how loud are these warning bells? Should I just go and see how it is, and bail and find myself a new job if it doesn't work out? I now have the opportunity of avoiding the falling-apart Aeroflot planes, I guess, but I'm now wondering if this sort of thing happens often?

I'm not a newbie and have taught in Asia before so worst case scenario I'd go hunting another job, I guess.

Any feedback would be great.
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stakay



Joined: 16 Jul 2005
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Thu Aug 17, 2006 4:57 pm    Post subject: Re: Warning Bells or just typical last-minuteness? Reply with quote

dreaming_saturn wrote:
Ok, so it's 10 days before I fly out to Korea.

This morning I go and pick up my Visa, no problems there, I'm starting to feel a bit jittery but excited to go. Looks like everything is legal.

I get home and call up the aeroflot officed to ask about my ticket, it's been booked for about a month for me, school was to pay it in advance as stated on the contract but last time I checked it was reserved and not paid for, so I ask again just to see where and when I need to pick it up. Ticket is still not paid for.

I have been in touch with the director and a former teacher via email, I email them both and say what's up, and get a reply from the director along the lines of - his credit card will not be accepted by the company (Aeroflot, which may actually be possible as it's a no-frills russian deal?) and asks if I can pay the ticket myself. He will transfer the money to my account or pay me back when I get there. He tells me "You can trust me" - something that usually if someone says that, I don't trust them.

So, I had quite a good feeling about the school when I talked to the teacher before, but have since found out that the two teachers that I had been speaking to have left or are leaving this month, so starting to get a bit nervous.

So, how loud are these warning bells? Should I just go and see how it is, and bail and find myself a new job if it doesn't work out? I now have the opportunity of avoiding the falling-apart Aeroflot planes, I guess, but I'm now wondering if this sort of thing happens often?

I'm not a newbie and have taught in Asia before so worst case scenario I'd go hunting another job, I guess.

Any feedback would be great.


Those bells are a ringin in my ear loud and clear....
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dreaming_saturn



Joined: 26 May 2004

PostPosted: Thu Aug 17, 2006 5:07 pm    Post subject: Re: Warning Bells or just typical last-minuteness? Reply with quote

stakay wrote:


Those bells are a ringin in my ear loud and clear....


I know, in mine too...... I really thought I had done my research and then this happens, so should I go anyway, or is it Russian Roulette? A

gain, worst case scenario and I'll just look for something else, I can afford to shop around a bit if that's possible as long as they give me my darn diploma back (I know, certified copies, but the embassy in the country I'm in wouldn't do it them)

Say it ain't so, will the job search have to continue again? Took me ages to find an adult Hagwan.
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poet13



Joined: 22 Jan 2006
Location: Just over there....throwing lemons.

PostPosted: Thu Aug 17, 2006 5:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think if they really want you, they will figure out how to pay for the ticket....
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stakay



Joined: 16 Jul 2005
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Thu Aug 17, 2006 5:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Look if you really want to work at this place, why don't you just say the same thing back to them 'oh no, MY credit card won't work with Aerofot either"

There are so many ways to pay for a flight these days and if your school uses the credit card thing as an excuse not to pay then you've got a pretty darn good reason to be suspicious.

Don't pay for the flight and see what happens. It's in your contract for them to pay anyway so if they're breaking the contract already.... well.. you know what's going to happen down the track don't you?

An original degree can be replaced, a hassle yes, but worth it.
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soviet_man



Joined: 23 Apr 2005
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Thu Aug 17, 2006 5:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Aeroflot has an office in Seoul (in Samseong-dong in the COEX mall). So there is no reason why he can't buy a ticket in Korea himself (either cash or credit card).

Don't pay for the ticket yourself.

Also Aeroflot has only 3 flights a week to Seoul (SU599/SU600) and seats can be difficult to get hold of, so payment should be made ASAP to avoid getting bumped off those flights.
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dreaming_saturn



Joined: 26 May 2004

PostPosted: Thu Aug 17, 2006 5:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for the feedback - you guys are fast!

I've sent a polite note saying paying for the ticket would be difficult and suggested another flight with a different company to appear helpful.

poet13, You're right, if they want me, they'll find a way.

But hey, now that I have a visa from one school am I in a bad situation in regard to finding another job?
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Hotpants



Joined: 27 Jan 2006

PostPosted: Thu Aug 17, 2006 6:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think it's quite cheeky for the employer who formerly said that they would pay for your ticket to go back on their decision. Such practice is unprofessional, and likewise from this first encounter, I would get the impression that his whole company is too.
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some waygug-in



Joined: 25 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Thu Aug 17, 2006 6:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A dumb question....but...why are they insisting upon using Aeroflot?

Something seems to smell of fish to me.
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dreaming_saturn



Joined: 26 May 2004

PostPosted: Thu Aug 17, 2006 6:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hotpants wrote:
Such practice is unprofessional, and likewise from this first encounter, I would get the impression that his whole company is too.

You're right.

some waygug-in : I don't think they're insisting on Aeroflot, that was perhaps my assumption - exact wording I got was "The airline dosen't accept my card" It's just the ticket that has been booked for a month already is from Aeroflot.
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ttompatz



Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea

PostPosted: Thu Aug 17, 2006 6:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

dreaming_saturn wrote:
Hotpants wrote:
Such practice is unprofessional, and likewise from this first encounter, I would get the impression that his whole company is too.

You're right.

some waygug-in : I don't think they're insisting on Aeroflot, that was perhaps my assumption - exact wording I got was "The airline dosen't accept my card" It's just the ticket that has been booked for a month already is from Aeroflot.


If they want you, then they will get you a ticket.

It's a simple equasion. No ticket = no teacher.

Do NOT pay for it yourself in advance

and teaching adults is NOT all it's cracked up to be...

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Grotto



Joined: 21 Mar 2004

PostPosted: Thu Aug 17, 2006 8:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It sounds like typical Korean laziness to me.....your boss will come through in the final hour. Its the way things are done in Korea Laughing
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Milwaukiedave



Joined: 02 Oct 2004
Location: Goseong

PostPosted: Thu Aug 17, 2006 9:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree, don't pay for the ticket. If you have doubts about the job, then pull out now. Listen to your gut instinct.
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Yu_Bum_suk



Joined: 25 Dec 2004

PostPosted: Thu Aug 17, 2006 10:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Don't pay for your ticket. Don't come over here thinking you can just jump ship because now that you have the visa you will be bound to your current director. Just say that you can't pay for it yourself and wait for them to come through.
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dreaming_saturn



Joined: 26 May 2004

PostPosted: Thu Aug 17, 2006 11:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yu_Bum_suk wrote:
Don't pay for your ticket. Don't come over here thinking you can just jump ship because now that you have the visa you will be bound to your current director. Just say that you can't pay for it yourself and wait for them to come through.


So, if this school turns out to be a terrible idea, which it really is starting to sound like (some notes about two recent runners- might also explain why he's not paying for the ticket - be it financial troubles or general lack of trust ) I'm out of luck in finding new work in Korea because of the Visa? It expires November 17th.
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