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adverge



Joined: 16 May 2006

PostPosted: Fri Aug 18, 2006 1:42 am    Post subject: Lunch Reply with quote

My school does not let us leave the building at any point during the workday, not even for a lunch (they provide a Korean lunch on site which I cannot eat due to the spice). I am wondering if anyone else has this same kind of school policy?

The director told us that teachers in the past have gone out and gotten drunk during their lunch breaks so they cut them out entirely.

My contract does not have a specified lunch in it.

Then again, my contract has been completely changed since I got here because one of the lines in it says "The teacher will follow the policies of the school during the contract year". After I was here two weeks I was told they can change anything in the contract because of this one line.

I'm not completely upset with this bad business practice. I never intend to come back to this school again - the director has absolutely no business sense . I'll put in my year and get out of here with a smile and my bills paid off. I'm completely not stressed about it so don't take this as a rant. I was just wondering if this lunch thing is common.
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ChopChaeJoe



Joined: 05 Mar 2006
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Fri Aug 18, 2006 1:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

How do they "not let" you leave? Armed guard? I'd just walk out.
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adverge



Joined: 16 May 2006

PostPosted: Fri Aug 18, 2006 1:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The director said "Do not leave the building during the work day without my personal permission or you will be fired."
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schwa



Joined: 18 Jan 2003
Location: Yap

PostPosted: Fri Aug 18, 2006 1:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd say totally uncommon. Your school (hagwon I presume) is treating its teachers like children, or worse, prisoners.

A quick google on "korean labor board lunch break" brought up this from the Korean Labor Standards Act:

Article 44 (Recess Hours)
(1) The employer will allow the worker a period of rest not less than 30 minutes for every 4 hours of work and not less than 1 hour of rest for every 8 hours during the course of work. (2) The employee may use his or her rest period as they choose.

I've worked in a hagwon that didnt observe (1) but I was happy to work a block shift right through & be done for the day. But I would regard (2) as inviolable.
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Donkey Beer



Joined: 20 Jul 2006

PostPosted: Fri Aug 18, 2006 2:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Time to leave this shit Hogwan. This will be only the beginning...
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ttompatz



Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea

PostPosted: Fri Aug 18, 2006 2:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

adverge wrote:
The director said "Do not leave the building during the work day without my personal permission or you will be fired."


Korean LABOR LAW allows you to have a lunch break of 30 minutes after 4 hours or 1 hour in an 8 hour shift. Your time on your lunch break is YOUR time.

Go for your lunch. If he threatens to fire you, let him. There is no shortage of jobs here and you are a very expensive asset for him to lose over a meal break.

Quotes from the korean labor standards act (revised 09/15/2003):

Article 6 (Prohibition of Forced Labor)
An employer shall not force a worker to work against his own free will through the use of violence, intimidation, confinement or by any other means which unjustly restrict mental or physical freedom.

Article 53 (Recess Hours)
(1) An employer shall allow a recess period of more than 30 minutes for every 4 working hours and more than 1 hour for every 8 working hours during the working hours.
(2) A recess period may be freely used by workers.


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adverge



Joined: 16 May 2006

PostPosted: Fri Aug 18, 2006 2:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wouldn't mind a block shift and no lunch break. I have to be at the school from 2:30pm to 10:00pm however. I only actually teach for a few hours a day, I have plently of time off. The rest of the time I am supposed to be doing lesson plans and improving my teaching skills by reading books (I think, not quite sure what they want there). Instead, after all my lesson plans are done, I tend to play Age of Empires on my laptop, which I take to work with me because they won't give me a computer, in my classroom (which I took all my stuff to because my desk turned into the lunch table and I couldn't get work done with all the people around and the stench of fish cooking beside me all day).

I told one of the other foreign teachers about the law and he was rather gleeful. I'd rather not be fired but he doesn't seem to care anymore - so I'll let him bring it up.
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ttompatz



Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea

PostPosted: Fri Aug 18, 2006 3:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

adverge wrote:
I wouldn't mind a block shift and no lunch break. I have to be at the school from 2:30pm to 10:00pm however. I only actually teach for a few hours a day, I have plently of time off. The rest of the time I am supposed to be doing lesson plans and improving my teaching skills by reading books (I think, not quite sure what they want there). Instead, after all my lesson plans are done, I tend to play Age of Empires on my laptop, which I take to work with me because they won't give me a computer, in my classroom (which I took all my stuff to because my desk turned into the lunch table and I couldn't get work done with all the people around and the stench of fish cooking beside me all day).

I told one of the other foreign teachers about the law and he was rather gleeful. I'd rather not be fired but he doesn't seem to care anymore - so I'll let him bring it up.


Might be worth it to save a copy of the labor standards act:

http://www.eslcafe.com/forums/korea/viewtopic.php?t=63952

At least that way you will know for sure when you are getting screwed and not just think that you are.
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Jeonnam Jinx



Joined: 06 Oct 2005
Location: Jeonnam

PostPosted: Fri Aug 18, 2006 4:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, if you are not going to leave the school, despite the illegality of your boss' wishes, then why don't you either buy a snack on the way to school, prepare your lunch at home and bring it to work with you, or have some food ordered in from a restaurant?

I agree with the others that your boss has no power to keep you in the school during your breaks. Despite whatever kind of contract you signed (illegal!), if you're going to stay there, you should eat something. 8 hours without any kind of food is too much. Been there, done that, and will not do it again.

Yet another story of another crooked, power-crazy, "clearly overcompensating for something" wonjang that likes to lord their power over the lowly serfs.

Bet Grotto'd have something to say about this! He rocks!
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SeniorEnglish



Joined: 18 Jun 2006

PostPosted: Fri Aug 18, 2006 5:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It is obviously a control technique. Some hogwan owners want you to soley belong to them. They do it to 1. Prevent you from doing any part-time work and 2. They are control freaks.
If a couple of teachers went out at got drunk during lunch at my school, I would kick them out myself. But, your boss just gave you a line of bs man.
I had an interview and the boss wanted me there from 12-9:30pm. and a 6 hour shift, lunch included, I said hechk no. They didn't even want me to teach my nephews afterwords.

Where do you work, so I can avoid it like the plague?
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ChopChaeJoe



Joined: 05 Mar 2006
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Fri Aug 18, 2006 6:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Your boss has turned you into his punk, and it will only get worse from here. Ask around, you'll hear plenty of stories of what you're in for. Have fun.

I'd walk out the door, get my food and come back a reasonable time before your next class and see what dorkless says.
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sheba



Joined: 16 May 2005
Location: Here there and everywhere!

PostPosted: Fri Aug 18, 2006 6:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

We can only leave our school with permission. Its not a big problem.... It certainly wasnt the beginning of a nightmare school either. We have a Korean lunch/dinner provided to us free of charge, but when I want something different, I get one of the Korean teachers to order in, or if I want something extra (snacks or drinks) I either pick it up on my way to work or get one of the (good) kids to go out and get it for me.

Sure Id like to leave on the odd day, but its not that big a deal. The times I have asked to leave it wasnt a prob.... but I ve only asked twice in over a year.

However, if I had a 2 hour break for lunch then Id be annoyed at having to stay at the school.... but my break is only 20-30 mins.
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Grotto



Joined: 21 Mar 2004

PostPosted: Fri Aug 18, 2006 7:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Take off for lunch! As for this nonsense:
Quote:
"The teacher will follow the policies of the school during the contract year".


Thats cute...it really is Rolling Eyes Are the policies posted clearly? Were you been given a handbook of policies at the beginning of the year? They cannot just make crap up as they go along and point to this clause!

The school policies should have been attached to your contract at the signing....if they were not then they dont apply.

If your boss is stupid enough to fire you over leaving for lunch then so be it....move on and get a job where they arent so freakin stupid!

How long have you been at this rats-nest? If you're only a month or two in you really want to make a stand(if your fellow FT is willing to back you up) then go in and make a united front. Being punished because of the supposed antics of past teachers is unacceptable.

Many directors and owners are power mad dictators who like to believe they are gods......the reality is they live in their own little fantasy world.

Sometimes you have to pick your battles but this is one you should definately stand up for!
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poet13



Joined: 22 Jan 2006
Location: Just over there....throwing lemons.

PostPosted: Fri Aug 18, 2006 11:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just to reiterate, or add fuel to the fire already burning; your break period is your own to spend as you wish. That doesn't include getting drunk of course. I would guess, wihtout knowing anything about your school, that they had a bad experience of the sort they have applied rules to.
In my case, for the first few weeksof my employ, my director kept saying, "NO drugs!". The two previous employees had been busted for exactly that.
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princess



Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: soul of Asia

PostPosted: Fri Aug 18, 2006 2:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've worked at a couple of places where we were asked to let them know when we were leaving the building on a break. Needless to say, most folks just walked out without saying anything. Laughing
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