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laogaiguk
Joined: 06 Dec 2005
Location: somewhere in Korea
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| Some Western girls go to Japan to be hookers. They know what they are doing, and tend to get paid quite well. Some get into trouble (not surprising considering) and become slaves, unable to get out (gave their passport, owe money, lots of reasons). No opinion here, just a fact. |
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RachaelRoo
Joined: 15 Jul 2005
Location: Anywhere but Ulsan!
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| Posted: Sun Aug 20, 2006 1:00 am Post subject: |
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| laogaiguk wrote: |
| Some Western girls go to Japan to be hookers. They know what they are doing, and tend to get paid quite well. Some get into trouble (not surprising considering) and become slaves, unable to get out (gave their passport, owe money, lots of reasons). No opinion here, just a fact. |
This may very well be true......but do you have any evidence to support this claim?
It sounds unlikely to me. Western countries have consulates everywhere in Japan...or most countries....and they would immediately help a citizen who claimed their passport had been taken and they were being forced into slavery. I guess if the slavery was incredibly brutal and there was no chance of escape, then maybe, but I have never heard of such a case. |
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laogaiguk
Joined: 06 Dec 2005
Location: somewhere in Korea
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| Posted: Sun Aug 20, 2006 1:04 am Post subject: |
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| RachaelRoo wrote: |
| laogaiguk wrote: |
| Some Western girls go to Japan to be hookers. They know what they are doing, and tend to get paid quite well. Some get into trouble (not surprising considering) and become slaves, unable to get out (gave their passport, owe money, lots of reasons). No opinion here, just a fact. |
This may very well be true......but do you have any evidence to support this claim? |
Actually, this was supposed to help you. Some girls know what they are getting into.
Anyways, I knew 3 girls (all blond hotties ofcourse, though didn't have the money for them, just friends  ). They were the ones making money ofcourse, but they told me of the underworld.
If you look at Japanese job offerings, sometimes they are actually just blantant saying you only have to appear nude and not having to sleep with men. I am not joking, I don't care so I won't, but job ads for Japan can be surprising sometimes. |
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RachaelRoo
Joined: 15 Jul 2005
Location: Anywhere but Ulsan!
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| Posted: Sun Aug 20, 2006 1:06 am Post subject: |
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| laogaiguk wrote: |
| RachaelRoo wrote: |
| laogaiguk wrote: |
| Some Western girls go to Japan to be hookers. They know what they are doing, and tend to get paid quite well. Some get into trouble (not surprising considering) and become slaves, unable to get out (gave their passport, owe money, lots of reasons). No opinion here, just a fact. |
This may very well be true......but do you have any evidence to support this claim? |
Actually, this was supposed to help you. Some girls know what they are getting into.
Anyways, I knew 3 girls (all blond hotties ofcourse, though didn't have the money for them, just friends ). They were the ones making money ofcourse, but they told me of the underworld.
If you look at Japanese job offerings, sometimes they are actually just blantant saying you only have to appear nude and not having to sleep with men. I am not joking, I don't care so I won't, but job ads for Japan can be surprising sometimes. |
I think you misunderstand me. I have no doubt that women go to Japan to work in the sex trade.
But are any actually held as slaves? Maybe...but I've never heard of it. |
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laogaiguk
Joined: 06 Dec 2005
Location: somewhere in Korea
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| Posted: Sun Aug 20, 2006 1:09 am Post subject: |
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| RachaelRoo wrote: |
| laogaiguk wrote: |
| RachaelRoo wrote: |
| laogaiguk wrote: |
| Some Western girls go to Japan to be hookers. They know what they are doing, and tend to get paid quite well. Some get into trouble (not surprising considering) and become slaves, unable to get out (gave their passport, owe money, lots of reasons). No opinion here, just a fact. |
This may very well be true......but do you have any evidence to support this claim? |
Actually, this was supposed to help you. Some girls know what they are getting into.
Anyways, I knew 3 girls (all blond hotties ofcourse, though didn't have the money for them, just friends ). They were the ones making money ofcourse, but they told me of the underworld.
If you look at Japanese job offerings, sometimes they are actually just blantant saying you only have to appear nude and not having to sleep with men. I am not joking, I don't care so I won't, but job ads for Japan can be surprising sometimes. |
I think you misunderstand me. I have no doubt that women go to Japan to work in the sex trade.
But are any actually held as slaves? Maybe...but I've never heard of it. |
Yes, they had seen them (and tried to help them by giving them money). There was also a bust a few years ago of girls (western) who had no passports and only enough money to live (the rest was being "saved" for them). It happens. |
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CiCi78
Joined: 09 Aug 2006
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| Posted: Sun Aug 20, 2006 1:32 am Post subject: |
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Of course there are incidents of women being tricked into prostitution slavery...I just don't think the evidence indicates that this is one of them. Just because it may have happened before doesn't mean it is happening every time.
Is there any evidence to support their claims that they were not voluntary prostitutes other than their word? Anything at all?
CiCI78, I noticed that your joined date is very recent. Have you actually been to Korea yet? I find it very difficult to believe that there is a person in this country above the age of three who is not internet savy at least to the point where they can use Naver. Now, back in Canada, I did know of people who couldn't use the internet for simple things.....but KOREA? No way. |
That's right. I joined fairly recently but there you go again jumping to conclusions about things you know nothing about. I'm actually half Korean and I''ve travelled between here and my home in the States all of my life. I've spent quite a bit of time here....safe to say much more than you. I've also spent much time volunteering here with a couple of organizations that work with the poor.
While this may be one of the most wired (if not THE most) countries in the world, this does not mean that everyone in this country knows how to use a computer. In any case, this is not about whether or not someone neglected to get on Naver. For whatever reason, you seem to like to over-simplify things and draw your adamant conclusions.
While it is normal to have reactions to news such as this ring that was broken up, you seemed overly angered by it and quite eager to blame the women based of the couple of articles I assume you read on the net.
I don't doubt that much of you beliefs are probably based this way.
Now, I believe I've wasted enough time responding to you.
Rachelroo, IGNORANCE IS REALLY NOT BLISS. |
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RachaelRoo
Joined: 15 Jul 2005
Location: Anywhere but Ulsan!
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| Posted: Sun Aug 20, 2006 1:40 am Post subject: |
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Of course there are incidents of women being tricked into prostitution slavery...I just don't think the evidence indicates that this is one of them. Just because it may have happened before doesn't mean it is happening every time.
Is there any evidence to support their claims that they were not voluntary prostitutes other than their word? Anything at all?
CiCI78, I noticed that your joined date is very recent. Have you actually been to Korea yet? I find it very difficult to believe that there is a person in this country above the age of three who is not internet savy at least to the point where they can use Naver. Now, back in Canada, I did know of people who couldn't use the internet for simple things.....but KOREA? No way. |
That's right. I joined fairly recently but there you go again jumping to conclusions about things you know nothing about. I'm actually half Korean and I''ve travelled between here and my home in the States all of my life. I've spent quite a bit of time here....safe to say much more than you. I've also spent much time volunteering here with a couple of organizations that work with the poor.
While this may be one of the most wired (if not THE most) countries in the world, this does not mean that everyone in this country knows how to use a computer. In any case, this is not about whether or not someone neglected to get on Naver. For whatever reason, you seem to like to over-simplify things and draw your adamant conclusions.
While it is normal to have reactions to news such as this ring that was broken up, you seemed overly angered by it and quite eager to blame the women based of the couple of articles I assume you read on the net.
I don't doubt that much of you beliefs are probably based this way.
Now, I believe I've wasted enough time responding to you.
Rachelroo, IGNORANCE IS REALLY NOT BLISS. |
I think you are the one who is angry. I'm just interested in discussing the facts of this incident - something that you have not yet done.
I don't think I'm blaming the women. The came to America to make some money in a profession which - although not something I would personally consider a good idea - was their choice. They got caught and they thought of a way out of it. Pretty understandable from their point of view.
Now - is there any evidence to support their, at best, unlikely claims, or are you gonna back down? |
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CiCi78
Joined: 09 Aug 2006
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| Posted: Sun Aug 20, 2006 2:05 am Post subject: |
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| RachaelRoo wrote: |
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Of course there are incidents of women being tricked into prostitution slavery...I just don't think the evidence indicates that this is one of them. Just because it may have happened before doesn't mean it is happening every time.
Is there any evidence to support their claims that they were not voluntary prostitutes other than their word? Anything at all?
CiCI78, I noticed that your joined date is very recent. Have you actually been to Korea yet? I find it very difficult to believe that there is a person in this country above the age of three who is not internet savy at least to the point where they can use Naver. Now, back in Canada, I did know of people who couldn't use the internet for simple things.....but KOREA? No way. |
That's right. I joined fairly recently but there you go again jumping to conclusions about things you know nothing about. I'm actually half Korean and I''ve travelled between here and my home in the States all of my life. I've spent quite a bit of time here....safe to say much more than you. I've also spent much time volunteering here with a couple of organizations that work with the poor.
While this may be one of the most wired (if not THE most) countries in the world, this does not mean that everyone in this country knows how to use a computer. In any case, this is not about whether or not someone neglected to get on Naver. For whatever reason, you seem to like to over-simplify things and draw your adamant conclusions.
While it is normal to have reactions to news such as this ring that was broken up, you seemed overly angered by it and quite eager to blame the women based of the couple of articles I assume you read on the net.
I don't doubt that much of you beliefs are probably based this way.
Now, I believe I've wasted enough time responding to you.
Rachelroo, IGNORANCE IS REALLY NOT BLISS. |
I think you are the one who is angry. I'm just interested in discussing the facts of this incident - something that you have not yet done.
I don't think I'm blaming the women. The came to America to make some money in a profession which - although not something I would personally consider a good idea - was their choice. They got caught and they thought of a way out of it. Pretty understandable from their point of view.
Now - is there any evidence to support their, at best, unlikely claims, or are you gonna back down? |
What is there to talk about with you? How can anyone be so obtuse as to think that with the absence of bruises means there can be no coercion. Well, you obviously. I'm not defending nor condemning anyone's guilt or innocence for the simple fact that only an ignorant and judgemental person (i.e. you) would do that based on an article on the web.
Back down? No. Walk away, yes. Yes, because I sense that you are one of those scary angry girls who latch on to conflict like a pitbull. |
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RachaelRoo
Joined: 15 Jul 2005
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| Posted: Sun Aug 20, 2006 2:32 am Post subject: |
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Please stop with the personal attacks.
There is no evidence to support these girls claims that they were slaves. |
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numazawa
Joined: 20 Mar 2005
Location: The Concrete Barnyard
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| Posted: Sun Aug 20, 2006 2:43 am Post subject: |
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... only an ignorant and judgemental person (i.e. you) would do that ...
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It's curious, how many people employ "judgemental" as an ad hominem. Like lynching someone on suspicion of violent tendencies. |
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JongnoGuru
Joined: 25 May 2004
Location: peeing on your doorstep
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| Posted: Sun Aug 20, 2006 3:00 am Post subject: |
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| What's going to happen to these women, the Korean nationals who were freed? Surely they must be allowed, first and foremost, to return to the safety of the Republic of Korea, and to inform authorities here that their families have been targeted for murder by the, um... the villains. |
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Demophobe
Joined: 17 May 2004
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| Posted: Sun Aug 20, 2006 5:04 am Post subject: |
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Please stop with the personal attacks.
There is no evidence to support these girls claims that they were slaves. |
Unfortunately for you, the burden of proof is on your shoulders. The news reports said they were, you say they weren't. Prove it. |
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RachaelRoo
Joined: 15 Jul 2005
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| Posted: Sun Aug 20, 2006 5:29 am Post subject: |
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| Demophobe wrote: |
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Please stop with the personal attacks.
There is no evidence to support these girls claims that they were slaves. |
Unfortunately for you, the burden of proof is on your shoulders. The news reports said they were, you say they weren't. Prove it. |
I'm not sure if you're serious, but ok...
They WERE caught working in a brothel. Just like if they were caught robbing a bank or driving under the influence...they were caught red-handed.
They came up with an explanation/excuse/story. They showed no signs of slavery and their story makes little or no sense. There is nothing offered to substantiate their story. Maybe they weren't slaves, maybe they were...but there is no proof of that and the story does conveniently serve to prevent them from being charged with a crime which they were caught committing. I'm not the judge here....but I would just like people reding this thread to question this a little (ok ...a LOT) more.
It doesn't matter how this particular article spins it. |
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Demophobe
Joined: 17 May 2004
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| Posted: Sun Aug 20, 2006 5:34 am Post subject: |
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| RachaelRoo wrote: |
| Demophobe wrote: |
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Please stop with the personal attacks.
There is no evidence to support these girls claims that they were slaves. |
Unfortunately for you, the burden of proof is on your shoulders. The news reports said they were, you say they weren't. Prove it. |
I'm not sure if you're serious, but ok...
They WERE caught working in a brothel. Just like if they were caught robbing a bank or driving under the influence...they were caught red-handed.
They came up with an explanation/excuse/story. They showed no signs of slavery and their story makes little or no sense. There is nothing offered to substantiate their story. Maybe they weren't slaves, maybe they were...but there is no proof of that and the story does conveniently serve to prevent them from being charged with a crime which they were caught committing. I'm not the judge here....but I would just like people reding this thread to question this a little (ok ...a LOT) more.
It doesn't matter how this particular article spins it. |
Nor how you do.
I am not against you in this; your idea sounds reasonable and entirely possible. The only thing being that I read one side from a news report, and the other from a stranger on the net. Of course, one may well be no more trustworthy than the other, but source credibility does weigh in when facts are sketchy. |
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RachaelRoo
Joined: 15 Jul 2005
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| Posted: Sun Aug 20, 2006 5:39 am Post subject: |
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| Demophobe wrote: |
| RachaelRoo wrote: |
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Please stop with the personal attacks.
There is no evidence to support these girls claims that they were slaves. |
Unfortunately for you, the burden of proof is on your shoulders. The news reports said they were, you say they weren't. Prove it. |
I'm not sure if you're serious, but ok...
They WERE caught working in a brothel. Just like if they were caught robbing a bank or driving under the influence...they were caught red-handed.
They came up with an explanation/excuse/story. They showed no signs of slavery and their story makes little or no sense. There is nothing offered to substantiate their story. Maybe they weren't slaves, maybe they were...but there is no proof of that and the story does conveniently serve to prevent them from being charged with a crime which they were caught committing. I'm not the judge here....but I would just like people reding this thread to question this a little (ok ...a LOT) more.
It doesn't matter how this particular article spins it. |
Nor how you do.
I am not against you in this; your idea sounds reasonable and entirely possible. The only thing being that I read one side from a news report, and the other from a stranger on the net. Of course, one may well be no more trustworthy than the other, but source credibility does weigh in when facts are sketchy. |
I am not a source, I am not claiming to be, and I should not be considered one.
I'm just pointing out that a lot of the claims made in that article sound implausible and unlikely. I further site that there is no evidence to substantiate the allegations of slavery - which are some pretty serious allegations.
70 women working as forced slaves - and there is nothing obvious this article can include to back up their allegations?! |
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