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Sending CVs, no reply...duh- ageism?

 
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AllOneK



Joined: 18 Aug 2006

PostPosted: Sat Aug 19, 2006 5:38 pm    Post subject: Sending CVs, no reply...duh- ageism? Reply with quote

Well, I've read on this forum all you need is a degree and a photo and you can get a job, so I'm surprised that my applications are drawing no response.

I'm not that ugly, though I do have a round face - but gee, people are always telling me I'm beautiful so I don't get it.

I even have 5 years TEFL experience, a CELTA and a B.A. so why aren't job offers flooding my server?

Is it cause I'm over 30, heck, over 40, heck - just gone 50? (51 exactly).

What do I need to do to get noticed (SHORT OF WEARING A SANTA SUIT FOR MY PIC)?
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ttompatz



Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea

PostPosted: Sat Aug 19, 2006 6:33 pm    Post subject: Re: Sending CVs, no reply...duh- ageism? Reply with quote

AllOneK wrote:
Well, I've read on this forum all you need is a degree and a photo and you can get a job, so I'm surprised that my applications are drawing no response.

I'm not that ugly, though I do have a round face - but gee, people are always telling me I'm beautiful so I don't get it.

I even have 5 years TEFL experience, a CELTA and a B.A. so why aren't job offers flooding my server?

Is it cause I'm over 30, heck, over 40, heck - just gone 50? (51 exactly).

What do I need to do to get noticed (SHORT OF WEARING A SANTA SUIT FOR MY PIC)?


So let's take a look at how it works.

1) You send your resume, photo, scan of your degree and passport to a recruiter.

2) Recruiter takes your information and trys to sell you to a school.

3) School likes what they see and say, I pick him.

4) Recruiter e-mails you back and shows you the school's offer.

5) You look at the offer and say, that is OK... let's go with that one.

6) The recruiter sends you a contract to look at.

7) You negotiate the contract - find a compromise that everyone can live with and sign on.

Cool You begin the visa process.

The comment about the santa suit is actually pretty accurate if you want to work with kids.

If you want to work with adults only, then the pickings get a lot slimmer and the offers a lot fewer with longer hours, split shifts and possibly no housing.
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tzechuk



Joined: 20 Dec 2004

PostPosted: Sat Aug 19, 2006 7:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Do you have to teach kids?

With a celta, you can teach university. They are not ageist. (Not that I know of?!)
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Ya-ta Boy



Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994

PostPosted: Sat Aug 19, 2006 7:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

In my experience, Koreans don't usually acknowledge the receipt of a job application. You send it off, wait for the application deadline to pass (and often don't even know when that is) and then hear nothing.

The second problem is your age. There is a decided preference for younger people here. There are employers who don't care about age and do value experience, but they are few and far between.

Many of the jobs that are available are not for teachers. They only need someone who can play English games with the students. Degrees and experience are not vital to the job.
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AllOneK



Joined: 18 Aug 2006

PostPosted: Sun Aug 20, 2006 11:10 am    Post subject: Got my first offers today Reply with quote

Thanks all for response. I got my first offers today.

A couple of things:
1) I haven't seen any job postings for universities in S. Korea. I know there is another thread on this topic - so I'll go there. But, yes a uni job would be great, though it seems they want an MA.
2) Playing English games with kids isn't Mickey Mouse work. People skilled in facilitating drama games understand this. I have a degree in theatre and would love to use those skills in the classroom - WITH ADULTS.
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Yu_Bum_suk



Joined: 25 Dec 2004

PostPosted: Sun Aug 20, 2006 9:10 pm    Post subject: Re: Got my first offers today Reply with quote

AllOneK wrote:
Thanks all for response. I got my first offers today.

A couple of things:
1) I haven't seen any job postings for universities in S. Korea. I know there is another thread on this topic - so I'll go there. But, yes a uni job would be great, though it seems they want an MA.
2) Playing English games with kids isn't Mickey Mouse work. People skilled in facilitating drama games understand this. I have a degree in theatre and would love to use those skills in the classroom - WITH ADULTS.


If you're not in Korea and don't have any experience in Korea it might be very difficult to start off at 51. Most unis hire in-country, and many don't advertise but just go by referrals.

Sorry but I don't know of any adult English drama schools, though if they existed they'd probably be a lot of fun.
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ttompatz



Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea

PostPosted: Sun Aug 20, 2006 9:20 pm    Post subject: Re: Got my first offers today Reply with quote

AllOneK wrote:
Thanks all for response. I got my first offers today.

A couple of things:
1) I haven't seen any job postings for universities in S. Korea. I know there is another thread on this topic - so I'll go there. But, yes a uni job would be great, though it seems they want an MA.
2) Playing English games with kids isn't Mickey Mouse work. People skilled in facilitating drama games understand this. I have a degree in theatre and would love to use those skills in the classroom - WITH ADULTS.


Probably your best bet is to try to get on with a public high school to get your feet wet in the country and get some networking going.

For the plumb jobs here it is usually who-you-know and NOT what-you-know.

Being in-country makes all the difference in the world.
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Panic



Joined: 03 Aug 2006
Location: Busan

PostPosted: Sun Aug 20, 2006 9:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Korean employers generally look for young foreigners but older teachers get treated much better in my experience.

Two reasons for this could be 1) Korean language and social interaction is very age conscious 2) Older people have much more work experience and tend to be both better teachers and employees.

With just a pinch of luck you'll find a good life style teaching in Korea.

Good luck Very Happy

Panic
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AllOneK



Joined: 18 Aug 2006

PostPosted: Mon Aug 21, 2006 2:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Job offers are now flooding my server...

Oh my oh my.

Anybody know how to get hired-on at one of those high-paying English Barn jobs?
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RobinH



Joined: 18 Feb 2006
Location: Mid-bulk transport, standard radeon accelerator core, class code 03-K64--Firefly.

PostPosted: Mon Aug 21, 2006 3:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's probably too late to get a uni job now as classes start Sept. 1st. Hiring for the better schools will start in October for the March semester. Take whatever job looks decent and use that year to look for something better.
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