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stevieg4ever
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 Posted: Fri Aug 25, 2006 6:24 am Post subject: LA Riots - a random question? |
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been reading and looking at a lot of stuff on the LA Riots recently (for what its worth im from the uk) and was astonished that almost $400 million worth of damage was done to Korean businesses and properties etc. koreans even have a special name for it 'sa-e-goo'.
would you say that Korean peoples views of, in particular, afro americans, has been somewhat eternally impaired (ok i know it was 14 years ago) as a result?
have koreans ever mentioend it to you in passing or whatever? im just wondering because i know that, and this isnt a very pc thing to say [and i was debating whether to actually put this bit in] and is somewhat of a blanket statement, that koreans do have very bad opinions of afro caribbeans in the UK [imo ofcourse]?
Sorry if this offends anyone by the way, its not intended to! |
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RACETRAITOR
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Most people don't realise it, but the LA riots were started by a number of factors. Rodney King was the largest, but there was also the shooting of Latasha Harlins. She came into an Empire Liquor, where she was shot in the face by Soon Ja Du, a Korean immigrant. So yes, the LA riots did specifically target Korean businesses because of this very incident.
And no, I don't think most Koreans are aware of this. Most Koreans I speak to don't know they have a reputation for racism in the US. In fact, most of the students I've spoken to kind of had the impression that Koreans and blacks would be extra good friends in the US because they're both minorities.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soon_Ja_Du
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latasha_Harlins |
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stevieg4ever
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cheers for the reply and the links (wiki was the first place i checked  ) i also understand that a lot of koreans are aggrieved at the LAPD who chose to go to Beverley hills instead of korea town (where the violence was taking place) hence the scenes of them on their roof tops defending their homes and businesses.
also the fact that vietnemese and chinese business were mistakenly caught up in the looting mistaken for korean businesses menat they incured the animosity of their fellow asian immigrants (who held up signs saying 'chinese / viet owned).
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Most people don't realise it, but the LA riots were started by a number of factors. Rodney King was the largest, but there was also the shooting of Latasha Harlins. She came into an Empire Liquor, where she was shot in the face by Soon Ja Du, a Korean immigrant. So yes, the LA riots did specifically target Korean businesses because of this very incident.
And no, I don't think most Koreans are aware of this. Most Koreans I speak to don't know they have a reputation for racism in the US. In fact, most of the students I've spoken to kind of had the impression that Koreans and blacks would be extra good friends in the US because they're both minorities.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soon_Ja_Du
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latasha_Harlins |
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stumptown
Joined: 11 Apr 2005
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| I can remember the Korean government demanding that the US pay back restitution to all the Korean shopowners whose businesses were damaged. I remember thinking at the time "Who the hell are you to demand such a stupid thing? They knew their risks." |
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seoulshock
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| I remember thinking at the time "Who the hell are you to demand such a stupid thing? They knew their risks." |
I was there in '92 while it was all going down.
They *didn't* know their risks. Of course it's a possibility, but who would've thought that some piece of crap black guy who gets beat up by cops (deserved it too!) would lead to this?
And why is that an excuse for rioting? Why take it out on private property?
And it's not just when bad things happen. Every year the Lakers won a championship... riots! Can you believe that? Same thing with the Bulls winning the championships... riots! They didn't lose, but they WON.
I think the whole Rodney King thing, and the girl who got shot by the liquor store woman was just used as an excuse to riot. To act like savages and destroy, steal, and get something for nothing.
And what about Reginald Denny? He was pulled out of his truck, almost beaten to death, left for dead, and some guy even attempted to shoot the gas tank of Denny's truck, to blow him up (but luckily missed). What about after he was beaten, the guy who was pointing and laughing at him, and even spat on him? And what about the guy in the Malcolm X shirt come over and stomp on his head? His skull was fractured and pushed into the brain, and he came very close to death.
You think Reginald Denny knew the risk of being a truck driver?
Oh, and screw that piece of crap rap star Ice Cube for his song, "Black Korea". Remember the lyrics, "pay respect to the black fist, or we'll burn your store right down to a crisp". Well, he got what he wanted, and when his movie came out in Korea, I refused to watch it. Funny, but I had an opportunity to meet him in 1997 through a friend who worked for him. I declined. F him.
So as a Korean-American, I tend to be a bit against blacks. I automatically stereotype many of them as soon as I see them. But guess what? Here's the funny thing: Of my three best friends, two are black. And these aren't "black on the outside, white on the inside" blacks. One of them is from Alabama of all places, and the other is straight out of the hood. And half of my friends in high school were all from South Central / Compton (they actually kept me safe from these two Korean "gangsters" who liked to use the "in-sa", and the "hyung" stuff on me).
So am I racist? I don't know. I think Black-American culture is screwed up in the sense that they have leaders like Jesse Jackson, or Al Sharpton ("No Justice, No Peace"), or Louis Farrakhan... who care nothing of helping the black community, but of helping themselves to more fame, power, wealth. Oh, and how about these rap artists putting out negative music that they KNOW influences young people. People like Ice Cube, Snoop Dogg, or in the mid 90's, the whole Deathrow crew (interestingly enough, Suge Knight is a neighbor of mine).
You know who's a real black leader? Bill Cosby. He has a bit of a shady past, I must say (adultery, I think it was)... but he doesn't BS you like Jackson or Sharpton, and he promotes responsibility and no BS'ing!
You know who else is a real black leader? Larry Elder, the Sage from South Central. He came out of South Central, and went on to University and became a successful attorney and has been hosting a radio show since the mid 90's. He promotes being responsible, going to school, going to the library, and accomplishing things, instead of complaining and rioting. And guess what? He gets called an Uncle Tom, and he's hated by much of the black community.
By the way, I don't think the Korean shop owners should've gotten anything from the gov't, but ya know what? I think they should've at least received a tax credit because the cops... whose salaries are paid for with taxpayer money (especially business owners), did NOTHING while these scumbags were rioting. These cops just stood there, watching. Why pay obligatory taxes for Police services if they're not going to live up to their end of the deal?
But hey, it's over with. Koreatown has since turned into a much nicer place. In fact, they're building a new luxury high-rise smack dab in the middle of Koreatown, called the Mercury (themercuryla.com). I've already purchased a unit on one of the higher floors there at a cost of over $2 million USD. Across the street is the Wiltern "LG" Theater, down the street is the luxury nightclub Le Prive where Nicolas Cage initially met his current wife. New buildings, new crowds are moving into Koreatown now... and I'm sure that the next time these low-lives decide they want to riot in Ktown, the Koreans will be ready this time. They learned in '92 that you can't depend on cops in a riot situation.
...and guess what? In our society, if a Korean ends up shooting a black thug who comes onto their property, guess who'll get in trouble? The Korean. Yes.
Ah hell, there's so much wrong with this world, but damn. Whatever. I'm tired. |
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W.T.Carl
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| Native American Urban Blacks have a problem with any other ethnic group that moves into "their" area and does better than them. It's not just Koreans that they don't like- it is even BLACK AFRICANS. In Philadelphia, Nigerians are the targets of local blacks just like the Koreans were in LA. |
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stevieg4ever
Joined: 11 Feb 2006
Location: London, England
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interesting stuff seoulshocker i was hoping a korean american who lived through it would reply. i agree with a number of your points; if it was the case that police intentionally avoided downtown korea town at the time then that is a total and utter disgrace imo making a mockery of the very democracy and freedom that the US is so proud of. do you feel koreans were negatively stereotyped in the reporting of the incidents by the media (a number of articles i have read have stated just this) and then how the aftermath portrayed afro americans as poor, neglected and alienated people (a bit like muslims in the uk were after 7/7) and nothing to say on the koreans.
reiginald denny was appaling and the guy responsible damien something received a light sentence was released eventually in 97 on 'good behaviour' but then received life a few years later for a homicide he was convicted for.
i dont want sound too judgmental here but from the clips ive seen on youtube there does seem to be a lot of -black- people taking pleasure in the needless and unecessary suffering of innocent people around them, which is reprehensible irrespective of ones race of social / economic position.
ice cube is a good rapper but he is, to all intensive purposes, a racist - lord knows what would happen if a korean said the same about an afro american?!?!?!
interestingly though you have two close black friends... do they know your views on the whole thing by the way? good to see all the same.
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| stumptown wrote: |
| I remember thinking at the time "Who the hell are you to demand such a stupid thing? They knew their risks." |
I was there in '92 while it was all going down.
They *didn't* know their risks. Of course it's a possibility, but who would've thought that some piece of crap black guy who gets beat up by cops (deserved it too!) would lead to this?
And why is that an excuse for rioting? Why take it out on private property?
And it's not just when bad things happen. Every year the Lakers won a championship... riots! Can you believe that? Same thing with the Bulls winning the championships... riots! They didn't lose, but they WON.
I think the whole Rodney King thing, and the girl who got shot by the liquor store woman was just used as an excuse to riot. To act like savages and destroy, steal, and get something for nothing.
And what about Reginald Denny? He was pulled out of his truck, almost beaten to death, left for dead, and some guy even attempted to shoot the gas tank of Denny's truck, to blow him up (but luckily missed). What about after he was beaten, the guy who was pointing and laughing at him, and even spat on him? And what about the guy in the Malcolm X shirt come over and stomp on his head? His skull was fractured and pushed into the brain, and he came very close to death.
You think Reginald Denny knew the risk of being a truck driver?
Oh, and screw that piece of crap rap star Ice Cube for his song, "Black Korea". Remember the lyrics, "pay respect to the black fist, or we'll burn your store right down to a crisp". Well, he got what he wanted, and when his movie came out in Korea, I refused to watch it. Funny, but I had an opportunity to meet him in 1997 through a friend who worked for him. I declined. F him.
So as a Korean-American, I tend to be a bit against blacks. I automatically stereotype many of them as soon as I see them. But guess what? Here's the funny thing: Of my three best friends, two are black. And these aren't "black on the outside, white on the inside" blacks. One of them is from Alabama of all places, and the other is straight out of the hood. And half of my friends in high school were all from South Central / Compton (they actually kept me safe from these two Korean "gangsters" who liked to use the "in-sa", and the "hyung" stuff on me).
So am I racist? I don't know. I think Black-American culture is screwed up in the sense that they have leaders like Jesse Jackson, or Al Sharpton ("No Justice, No Peace"), or Louis Farrakhan... who care nothing of helping the black community, but of helping themselves to more fame, power, wealth. Oh, and how about these rap artists putting out negative music that they KNOW influences young people. People like Ice Cube, Snoop Dogg, or in the mid 90's, the whole Deathrow crew (interestingly enough, Suge Knight is a neighbor of mine).
You know who's a real black leader? Bill Cosby. He has a bit of a shady past, I must say (adultery, I think it was)... but he doesn't BS you like Jackson or Sharpton, and he promotes responsibility and no BS'ing!
You know who else is a real black leader? Larry Elder, the Sage from South Central. He came out of South Central, and went on to University and became a successful attorney and has been hosting a radio show since the mid 90's. He promotes being responsible, going to school, going to the library, and accomplishing things, instead of complaining and rioting. And guess what? He gets called an Uncle Tom, and he's hated by much of the black community.
By the way, I don't think the Korean shop owners should've gotten anything from the gov't, but ya know what? I think they should've at least received a tax credit because the cops... whose salaries are paid for with taxpayer money (especially business owners), did NOTHING while these scumbags were rioting. These cops just stood there, watching. Why pay obligatory taxes for Police services if they're not going to live up to their end of the deal?
But hey, it's over with. Koreatown has since turned into a much nicer place. In fact, they're building a new luxury high-rise smack dab in the middle of Koreatown, called the Mercury (themercuryla.com). I've already purchased a unit on one of the higher floors there at a cost of over $2 million USD. Across the street is the Wiltern "LG" Theater, down the street is the luxury nightclub Le Prive where Nicolas Cage initially met his current wife. New buildings, new crowds are moving into Koreatown now... and I'm sure that the next time these low-lives decide they want to riot in Ktown, the Koreans will be ready this time. They learned in '92 that you can't depend on cops in a riot situation.
...and guess what? In our society, if a Korean ends up shooting a black thug who comes onto their property, guess who'll get in trouble? The Korean. Yes.
Ah hell, there's so much wrong with this world, but damn. Whatever. I'm tired. |
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stevieg4ever
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agreed - it doesnt involve them therefore they shouldnt get involved imo. they are us citizens and it happened on us soil...
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| I can remember the Korean government demanding that the US pay back restitution to all the Korean shopowners whose businesses were damaged. I remember thinking at the time "Who the hell are you to demand such a stupid thing? They knew their risks." |
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EFLtrainer
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| seoulshock wrote: |
| stumptown wrote: |
| I remember thinking at the time "Who the hell are you to demand such a stupid thing? They knew their risks." |
I was there in '92 while it was all going down.
They *didn't* know their risks. Of course it's a possibility, but who would've thought that some piece of crap black guy who gets beat up by cops (deserved it too!) would lead to this?
And why is that an excuse for rioting? Why take it out on private property?
And it's not just when bad things happen. Every year the Lakers won a championship... riots! Can you believe that? Same thing with the Bulls winning the championships... riots! They didn't lose, but they WON.
I think the whole Rodney King thing, and the girl who got shot by the liquor store woman was just used as an excuse to riot. To act like savages and destroy, steal, and get something for nothing.
And what about Reginald Denny? He was pulled out of his truck, almost beaten to death, left for dead, and some guy even attempted to shoot the gas tank of Denny's truck, to blow him up (but luckily missed). What about after he was beaten, the guy who was pointing and laughing at him, and even spat on him? And what about the guy in the Malcolm X shirt come over and stomp on his head? His skull was fractured and pushed into the brain, and he came very close to death.
You think Reginald Denny knew the risk of being a truck driver?
Oh, and screw that piece of crap rap star Ice Cube for his song, "Black Korea". Remember the lyrics, "pay respect to the black fist, or we'll burn your store right down to a crisp". Well, he got what he wanted, and when his movie came out in Korea, I refused to watch it. Funny, but I had an opportunity to meet him in 1997 through a friend who worked for him. I declined. F him.
So as a Korean-American, I tend to be a bit against blacks. I automatically stereotype many of them as soon as I see them. But guess what? Here's the funny thing: Of my three best friends, two are black. And these aren't "black on the outside, white on the inside" blacks. One of them is from Alabama of all places, and the other is straight out of the hood. And half of my friends in high school were all from South Central / Compton (they actually kept me safe from these two Korean "gangsters" who liked to use the "in-sa", and the "hyung" stuff on me).
So am I racist? I don't know. I think Black-American culture is screwed up in the sense that they have leaders like Jesse Jackson, or Al Sharpton ("No Justice, No Peace"), or Louis Farrakhan... who care nothing of helping the black community, but of helping themselves to more fame, power, wealth. Oh, and how about these rap artists putting out negative music that they KNOW influences young people. People like Ice Cube, Snoop Dogg, or in the mid 90's, the whole Deathrow crew (interestingly enough, Suge Knight is a neighbor of mine).
You know who's a real black leader? Bill Cosby. He has a bit of a shady past, I must say (adultery, I think it was)... but he doesn't BS you like Jackson or Sharpton, and he promotes responsibility and no BS'ing!
You know who else is a real black leader? Larry Elder, the Sage from South Central. He came out of South Central, and went on to University and became a successful attorney and has been hosting a radio show since the mid 90's. He promotes being responsible, going to school, going to the library, and accomplishing things, instead of complaining and rioting. And guess what? He gets called an Uncle Tom, and he's hated by much of the black community.
By the way, I don't think the Korean shop owners should've gotten anything from the gov't, but ya know what? I think they should've at least received a tax credit because the cops... whose salaries are paid for with taxpayer money (especially business owners), did NOTHING while these scumbags were rioting. These cops just stood there, watching. Why pay obligatory taxes for Police services if they're not going to live up to their end of the deal?
But hey, it's over with. Koreatown has since turned into a much nicer place. In fact, they're building a new luxury high-rise smack dab in the middle of Koreatown, called the Mercury (themercuryla.com). I've already purchased a unit on one of the higher floors there at a cost of over $2 million USD. Across the street is the Wiltern "LG" Theater, down the street is the luxury nightclub Le Prive where Nicolas Cage initially met his current wife. New buildings, new crowds are moving into Koreatown now... and I'm sure that the next time these low-lives decide they want to riot in Ktown, the Koreans will be ready this time. They learned in '92 that you can't depend on cops in a riot situation.
...and guess what? In our society, if a Korean ends up shooting a black thug who comes onto their property, guess who'll get in trouble? The Korean. Yes.
Ah hell, there's so much wrong with this world, but damn. Whatever. I'm tired. |
Counterpoint:
There was a far deeper reason for Black anger at Koreans. 1. Koreans often are racist, particularly toward blacks. 2. In LA and environs there was a huge amount of anger due to Korean on Black racial profiling (racism) and the refusal of Korean businessmen to hire blacks, thus leaving people who wanted to work on welfare instead. They would hire Hispanics and employ children (their own, illegally) but not Blacks. |
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seoulshock
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| interestingly though you have two close black friends... do they know your views on the whole thing by the way? good to see all the same. |
Yes, they do know. The guy from Alabama knows. We agree for the most part. He works at NASA. The guy from 'the hood' knows as well. He graduated with a 4 year degree and works in hotel management. You see, these guys DID NOT make excuses. They chose NOT to believe the ramblings of people like Jesse Jackson. They took responsibility for their OWN lives. And guess what? They both tell me, that I (Korean-American) have a less chance of getting shot by a black guy than THEY do. Because as my friend from Alabama puts it, "A nigga hates it when another nigga is doin' better than him". |
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seoulshock
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Counterpoint:
There was a far deeper reason for Black anger at Koreans. 1. Koreans often are racist, particularly toward blacks. 2. In LA and environs there was a huge amount of anger due to Korean on Black racial profiling (racism) and the refusal of Korean businessmen to hire blacks, thus leaving people who wanted to work on welfare instead. They would hire Hispanics and employ children (their own, illegally) but not Blacks. |
1) It works BOTH ways. Blacks are VERY racist, and OPENLY racist. I experience it in Los Angeles to this day, also back in high school, on TV. Blacks are ALLOWED to be racist. It's like everyone accepts their racism, but racism by any other group is not allowed. But hey, even with Korean racism, that doesn't excuse a riot. I doubt MLK would've been proud.
2a) Racial Profiling: Hey, if you open up a liquor store in South Central, guess what? ALL YOUR CUSTOMERS ARE BLACK. If they watch ANYONE who looks suspicious, then it'll always be a black person. That's not racial profiling. And for more diverse areas (Downtown, Koreatown), a shop owner will look at ANYONE who looks suspicious. And guess what? More black people look suspicious. You think you can dress like a gangsta rap artist, walk into a store and NOT look like you're there to steal? I can tell you the Korean shop owners will look at a Korean guy the SAME WAY if he's dressed like a thug.
2b) Not hiring blacks: From my experience and the experience of others, black people are lazier. They do less work, come to work late, demand more payment, and complain a lot more. Whereas latinos will do more work and come on time for less pay. I will say though, that my two friends I mentioned above, are far from lazy. They are RARE exceptions, and they know it.
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And what's with rioting when the Lakers win championships? Or when the Bulls were winning championships in the 90's? What did they have to be angry about then? What was that all about?
Black people are not oppressed. They alienate themselves from society with their philosophy of "everyone's against us, there's nothing we can do about it". And this is due to so called "black leaders" like Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton, or even a local figure here in LA, Maxine Waters.
The fact that you have people like my two friends, Mr. Hotel Management, and Mr. NASA... as well as people like Larry Elder, Oprah Winfrey, Kenneth Chenault, etc. proves that there is no oppression of black people.
In my neighborhood of Pacific Palisades, California... it's mostly white, and there are actually a few black people... none of which go around complaining all day about how they're being held back. And none of them dress like gangsters and flash gang signs.
BTW, the black people I've met that have emigrated from the Caribbean- they're thrilled to be living here to have an opportunity to do something. One guy, came here, started his own Caribbean style restaurant/Karaoke place near LA. He makes over $20,000 USD / month. You think he ever complained how society was holding him down?
Recommended Reading:
1) Elder, Larry. "The 10 Things You Can't Say In America"
2) Timmerman, Ken. "Exposing the Real Jesse Jackson"
3) Mcwhorter, John H. "Losing the Race (Self Sabotage in Black America)"
4) Sowell, Thomas. "Black Rednecks & White Liberals" |
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doggyji
Joined: 21 Feb 2006
Location: Toronto - Hamilton - Vineland - St. Catherines
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Counterpoint:
There was a far deeper reason for Black anger at Koreans. 1. Koreans often are racist, particularly toward blacks. 2. In LA and environs there was a huge amount of anger due to Korean on Black racial profiling (racism) and the refusal of Korean businessmen to hire blacks, thus leaving people who wanted to work on welfare instead. They would hire Hispanics and employ children (their own, illegally) but not Blacks. |
1) It works BOTH ways. Blacks are VERY racist, and OPENLY racist. I experience it in Los Angeles to this day, also back in high school, on TV. Blacks are ALLOWED to be racist. It's like everyone accepts their racism, but racism by any other group is not allowed. But hey, even with Korean racism, that doesn't excuse a riot. I doubt MLK would've been proud.
2a) Racial Profiling: Hey, if you open up a liquor store in South Central, guess what? ALL YOUR CUSTOMERS ARE BLACK. If they watch ANYONE who looks suspicious, then it'll always be a black person. That's not racial profiling. And for more diverse areas (Downtown, Koreatown), a shop owner will look at ANYONE who looks suspicious. And guess what? More black people look suspicious. You think you can dress like a gangsta rap artist, walk into a store and NOT look like you're there to steal? I can tell you the Korean shop owners will look at a Korean guy the SAME WAY if he's dressed like a thug.
2b) Not hiring blacks: From my experience and the experience of others, black people are lazier. They do less work, come to work late, demand more payment, and complain a lot more. Whereas latinos will do more work and come on time for less pay. I will say though, that my two friends I mentioned above, are far from lazy. They are RARE exceptions, and they know it.
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And what's with rioting when the Lakers win championships? Or when the Bulls were winning championships in the 90's? What did they have to be angry about then? What was that all about?
Black people are not oppressed. They alienate themselves from society with their philosophy of "everyone's against us, there's nothing we can do about it". And this is due to so called "black leaders" like Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton, or even a local figure here in LA, Maxine Waters.
The fact that you have people like my two friends, Mr. Hotel Management, and Mr. NASA... as well as people like Larry Elder, Oprah Winfrey, Kenneth Chenault, etc. proves that there is no oppression of black people.
In my neighborhood of Pacific Palisades, California... it's mostly white, and there are actually a few black people... none of which go around complaining all day about how they're being held back. And none of them dress like gangsters and flash gang signs.
BTW, the black people I've met that have emigrated from the Caribbean- they're thrilled to be living here to have an opportunity to do something. One guy, came here, started his own Caribbean style restaurant/Karaoke place near LA. He makes over $20,000 USD / month. You think he ever complained how society was holding him down?
Recommended Reading:
1) Elder, Larry. "The 10 Things You Can't Say In America"
2) Timmerman, Ken. "Exposing the Real Jesse Jackson"
3) Mcwhorter, John H. "Losing the Race (Self Sabotage in Black America)"
4) Sowell, Thomas. "Black Rednecks & White Liberals" |
You know, it's always much neater and cooler to blame Koreans. Yeah, damn those Koreans. I don't know why. (maybe I do..  ) There was a thread about this LA riot stuff.
Thread: "Am I too racially insensitive?"
http://www.eslcafe.com/forums/korea/viewtopic.php?t=56839&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight=racially+insensitive&start=0 |
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Yo!Chingo
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| Ever hear of white man's guilt? Ever since we graduated into training pants the white populace has been made to feel that we're always in the wrong in racially charged situations. I recently read an article, by a black man mind you, in a N.C newspaper talking about white man's guilt and how it's one, if not the largest barrier, to racial harmony. All the white fake smiles around some african americans and the,"oh, we musn't blame them. It's our ancestor's fault they're this way." crap. Damn I wish I had saved that article! |
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kimchi_pizza
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Living in Korea in '93, most Korean friends and people I've met thought it common knowledge that ALL African-Americans were involved in the L.A. riots.
I think the media had a heavy hand in that one in Korea.
Gotta wonder how much the MEDIA plays in forming peoples ideas and propegating more negative attitude causing more harm than good.
If the media had simply "reported" the beating to the public rather than flash the video 24/7, how much of a difference would that've made?
I believe quite a bit and the media was irresponsible in their coverage as their main goal in all likelihood was to gain the most viewers.
I blame the officers in their unprofessional behavior in harming a human being. I blame the media for the damage and deaths that followed afterward.... |
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Counterpoint:
There was a far deeper reason for Black anger at Koreans. 1. Koreans often are racist, particularly toward blacks. 2. In LA and environs there was a huge amount of anger due to Korean on Black racial profiling (racism) and the refusal of Korean businessmen to hire blacks, thus leaving people who wanted to work on welfare instead. They would hire Hispanics and employ children (their own, illegally) but not Blacks. |
1) It works BOTH ways. Blacks are VERY racist, and OPENLY racist. I experience it in Los Angeles to this day, also back in high school, on TV. Blacks are ALLOWED to be racist. It's like everyone accepts their racism, but racism by any other group is not allowed. But hey, even with Korean racism, that doesn't excuse a riot. I doubt MLK would've been proud.
2a) Racial Profiling: Hey, if you open up a liquor store in South Central, guess what? ALL YOUR CUSTOMERS ARE BLACK. If they watch ANYONE who looks suspicious, then it'll always be a black person. That's not racial profiling. And for more diverse areas (Downtown, Koreatown), a shop owner will look at ANYONE who looks suspicious. And guess what? More black people look suspicious. You think you can dress like a gangsta rap artist, walk into a store and NOT look like you're there to steal? I can tell you the Korean shop owners will look at a Korean guy the SAME WAY if he's dressed like a thug.
2b) Not hiring blacks: From my experience and the experience of others, black people are lazier. They do less work, come to work late, demand more payment, and complain a lot more. Whereas latinos will do more work and come on time for less pay. I will say though, that my two friends I mentioned above, are far from lazy. They are RARE exceptions, and they know it.
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And what's with rioting when the Lakers win championships? Or when the Bulls were winning championships in the 90's? What did they have to be angry about then? What was that all about?
Black people are not oppressed. They alienate themselves from society with their philosophy of "everyone's against us, there's nothing we can do about it". And this is due to so called "black leaders" like Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton, or even a local figure here in LA, Maxine Waters.
The fact that you have people like my two friends, Mr. Hotel Management, and Mr. NASA... as well as people like Larry Elder, Oprah Winfrey, Kenneth Chenault, etc. proves that there is no oppression of black people.
In my neighborhood of Pacific Palisades, California... it's mostly white, and there are actually a few black people... none of which go around complaining all day about how they're being held back. And none of them dress like gangsters and flash gang signs.
BTW, the black people I've met that have emigrated from the Caribbean- they're thrilled to be living here to have an opportunity to do something. One guy, came here, started his own Caribbean style restaurant/Karaoke place near LA. He makes over $20,000 USD / month. You think he ever complained how society was holding him down?
Recommended Reading:
1) Elder, Larry. "The 10 Things You Can't Say In America"
2) Timmerman, Ken. "Exposing the Real Jesse Jackson"
3) Mcwhorter, John H. "Losing the Race (Self Sabotage in Black America)"
4) Sowell, Thomas. "Black Rednecks & White Liberals" |
Good lord... the whole world appears to be racist... Just got done with illogical ranting by others on another thread... not gonna bother with this.
If you don't know whether you are racist, let me fill you in: you are. |
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