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Yo!Chingo
Joined: 06 Dec 2005
Location: Seoul Korea
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These people are pathetic  What about taking the $$$ and going back where they belong?!? This is just another reason I stress the word INVASION. They have a fortune and still won't leave!! |
They sure are pathetic...leaving their homes to try for a better life, only to have their partners killed, enduring lives of isolation as persona non grata just for the chance their children can have a future, weighing up returning home with seperation from their kids. Pathetic... in that most people would feel pity for them.
Not you though Chingo!! You know the score, huh? You know that these three families are the THIN END OF THE WEDGE my friend!! It's nachos and bean dip for every white kid in America if these INVADING INVADERS get their way.
I salute you. It takes an exceptional mind to read that article and come to the conclusions you did. You're a special, special person. |
Oh I love how you like to simplify this whole issue. Look, if they're in America for a better life but living like criminals there even thought they're millionairs is that a better life?!? I DON"T THINK SO!!!
These people know that what they've done in breaking the laws of the US to enter was and still is wrong. Period. Now that they have the precious $$$ that will make their lives a bit better in the US and 500 times better where they truly belong, they still won't leave.
BTW Yes I am a very special person. Thank you for recognizing that  |
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happeningthang
Joined: 26 Apr 2003
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| Posted: Tue Sep 05, 2006 7:05 pm Post subject: |
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Yep, I simplified this whole INVASION....
Please, by the way, since you're a special guy, could you let us know how it is that the OP's article exemplified the INVASION you managed to percieve through your specialness.
Yeah, you've got a point that they live in fear even though they got the do-re mi... still what they've done with the money - they get as compensation for having THEIR SIGNIFICANT OTHERS KILLED - says they're looking for a better life FOR THEIR CHILDREN.
Thankfully, the kids in these stories are now citizens and get to grow up in the country you take for granted. A happy ending... of sorts. |
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Yo!Chingo
Joined: 06 Dec 2005
Location: Seoul Korea
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| Posted: Wed Sep 06, 2006 2:49 am Post subject: |
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| happeningthang wrote: |
Yep, I simplified this whole INVASION....
Please, by the way, since you're a special guy, could you let us know how it is that the OP's article exemplified the INVASION you managed to percieve through your specialness.
Yeah, you've got a point that they live in fear even though they got the do-re mi... still what they've done with the money - they get as compensation for having THEIR SIGNIFICANT OTHERS KILLED - says they're looking for a better life FOR THEIR CHILDREN.
Thankfully, the kids in these stories are now citizens and get to grow up in the country you take for granted. A happy ending... of sorts. |
I never take my country for granted. Living in Korea and going to some of the Asian countries has truly opened my eyes to how great a country America is. Having said that I feel that if America is to stay the wonderful country that I feel it is, we can't let every Tom, Dick, and Harry break our laws and continue to reap the wealth that Americans have build over the generations.
I felt for everyone who lost a loved one in 9/11, but c'mon. Yes their spouses died in a horrible disaster, but people die everyday. Will that $$$ bring their spouses back?!? I truly believe that these people should have gotten some $$$ but multi-millions?!? This goes triple for criminals like illegal aliens!!! The illegals got $$$ when they shouldn't have, and if I would have been on that committee I would have lobbied for them to not recieved one red cent.
As far as the happy ending goes...that's still up in the air isn't it?!? If many Americans get their way illegal aliens would be out and their progeny along with them. This whole citizenship by birth thing's days are #'d. Of this I'm quite certain.
Flame away 
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Wed Sep 06, 2006 3:22 am Post subject: |
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| Open immigration, huh? That's a new one - I'll just do a quick Google ... |
What I meant about open immigration is that there were very few laws on this when America was founded, and those that were in place were ignored, and at any rate, America wasn't one entity when the colonies were being founded.
By open immigration I mean that all kinds of nasty practices got people to the States.
Our country was founded on slavery. Is that an argument for bringing it back?
What about indentured servitude? Okay, how about we round illegals up, force them to work as fodder in our military, and then if they survive four years, they're citizens! (I've heard worse ideas)
The fact is, America is the only very developed country with a roughly 1,000-mile border with such a drastically less developed country. Many of the illegals are from south of the border and a majority of those come from Mexico. This is going to create challenges that smarmy comments like, 'Wasn't America founded on illegal immigrants' are not going to solve. |
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dulouz
Joined: 04 Feb 2003
Location: Uranus
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| Posted: Wed Sep 06, 2006 6:19 am Post subject: |
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WARNING - PROCEDE AT YOUR RISk- THE FOLLOWING IS NOT FOR THE SQUEAMISH
H1-B's = scam extrordinaire. Each H1-B in the tech sector is an automatic $20,000 profit. Pretty good money for filling out one dam form.
Free flow of goods and people- yea, turn off the goodies. No healthcare no education no rent subsidies no no extra police work... none. Work = work. The free flow people always insinuate that we leave all the goodies turned on but never say it directly.
There is not now nor has the ever been a "need" for a gardener.
Immigrants more often than not immigrate and then draw a rope around themselves and say "no one else". Immigrants are greedy selfish and intolerant. Ask the Europeans.
Mexican immigrants want to conquer, they don't want to immigrate.
If immigration is good, the Somalia needs immigrants more than The US does. We need to send them there.
Work = work. Work for the highest wage in the world does not equal work. You can work anywhere you have a shovel.
The founding of the Western hemishere was founded on bad morals. Continuing along the same lines is still wrong. More immigration is just more bad ethics.
Removing the illegal aliens will be tantamount to ethnic cleansing. You can have whatever excuse you want and even if it is as sound as it can be, you just need one "Joo" crying "Auschwitz" and its all sour.
After reviewing this development and mulling over the "final solution", Hitler isn't such a bad guy to me anymore. The good people of the US have been set up. We have to allow for racial preference and corruption or else we get to have people call us Nazi's. You know what? "Heil Hitler". Thats what.
Ethnic cleansing and genocide are not the same but the point is moot. Brown people are quite capable of being crappy people. These Mexicans are just really bad people. They have no problem. Forged documents, red faced lies, slight of hand, abusive plausible denial. The USA may not be superior to Mexico due to race but it certainly is due to culture. |
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happeningthang
Joined: 26 Apr 2003
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| Posted: Wed Sep 06, 2006 10:01 am Post subject: |
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| dulouz wrote: |
WARNING - PROCEDE AT YOUR RISk- THE FOLLOWING IS NOT FOR THE SQUEAMISH
H1-B's = scam extrordinaire. Each H1-B in the tech sector is an automatic $20,000 profit. Pretty good money for filling out one dam form.
Free flow of goods and people- yea, turn off the goodies. No healthcare no education no rent subsidies no no extra police work... none. Work = work. The free flow people always insinuate that we leave all the goodies turned on but never say it directly.
There is not now nor has the ever been a "need" for a gardener.
Immigrants more often than not immigrate and then draw a rope around themselves and say "no one else". Immigrants are greedy selfish and intolerant. Ask the Europeans.
Mexican immigrants want to conquer, they don't want to immigrate.
If immigration is good, the Somalia needs immigrants more than The US does. We need to send them there.
Work = work. Work for the highest wage in the world does not equal work. You can work anywhere you have a shovel.
The founding of the Western hemishere was founded on bad morals. Continuing along the same lines is still wrong. More immigration is just more bad ethics.
Removing the illegal aliens will be tantamount to ethnic cleansing. You can have whatever excuse you want and even if it is as sound as it can be, you just need one "Joo" crying "Auschwitz" and its all sour.
After reviewing this development and mulling over the "final solution", Hitler isn't such a bad guy to me anymore. The good people of the US have been set up. We have to allow for racial preference and corruption or else we get to have people call us Nazi's. You know what? "Heil Hitler". Thats what.
Ethnic cleansing and genocide are not the same but the point is moot. Brown people are quite capable of being crappy people. These Mexicans are just really bad people. They have no problem. Forged documents, red faced lies, slight of hand, abusive plausible denial. The USA may not be superior to Mexico due to race but it certainly is due to culture. |
Shock!!! Horror!!! Gasp!!!
Holy F**ing S**t!! That's some strong words there dulouz.
I want to give you the benefit of the doubt.
I read your post to mean
...any attempt to act upon illegal immigrants ('bad' Mexicans) will be denounced by critics as 'ethnic cleansing'. So you find Hitler's holocaust as an acceptable response, since he was going to be condemned no matter what he did, but he acted in spite of the criticism.
Sooo, the 'good' Americans are now forced to tolerate "racial preference" and corruption. So you say... um, "Heil Hitler", as a way to say let's.. umm
kill them all al'a 'The Final Solution'??
Wow!
What have you been reading? |
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dulouz
Joined: 04 Feb 2003
Location: Uranus
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| Posted: Thu Sep 07, 2006 6:39 am Post subject: |
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HT - I'm sorry my post disappointed you. I took a lot out. In case you are wondering, I do think killing women and children, ethnic cleansing and genocide are permissable under certain conditions. Contact me for details.
I made a long post but lost the posting, I don't have time now.
The coolest thing about being an American was the security. We don't have that any longer. |
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huffdaddy
Joined: 25 Nov 2005
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| Posted: Thu Sep 07, 2006 6:56 am Post subject: |
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| Mexican immigrants want to conquer, they don't want to immigrate. |
And overrun us with burritos and enchiladas?
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The coolest thing about being an American was the security. We don't have that any longer. |
Yeah, all the Mexicans are on a rampage.
So how are Americans not safe anymore? Because of the Mexicans? |
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dulouz
Joined: 04 Feb 2003
Location: Uranus
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| Posted: Thu Sep 07, 2006 7:34 am Post subject: |
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| Yes American is much less safe. The Border War is real. Generic crime is bad. The company of Mexicans is bad. These people don't have problems lying to anyone and living next to someone while they are lying to you and doing so on a grand scale is a bad lifestyle. Im sorry, the neighborhood just went down hill. I'm sorry life in Mexico is bad. Thats a problem for the Mexican government, not anyone else. |
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Milwaukiedave
Joined: 02 Oct 2004
Location: Goseong
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| Posted: Thu Sep 07, 2006 7:44 am Post subject: |
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I've often been on the fence in terms of how I feel about the immigration debate. As someone who is a lefty (and damn proud of it) I never really felt compelled to swing to either extreme.
The one thing that needs to be pointed out is that allowing illegal immigration rewards those who break the law, while those who stand in line abiding by the laws (filling out forms and paying fees) are punished. My wife is planning on going back to the states with me and I have to sometimes wonder why thousands of illegal aliens are defending by some despite the fact they are breaking the laws. |
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happeningthang
Joined: 26 Apr 2003
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| Posted: Thu Sep 07, 2006 9:14 am Post subject: |
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I've often been on the fence in terms of how I feel about the immigration debate. As someone who is a lefty (and damn proud of it) I never really felt compelled to swing to either extreme.
The one thing that needs to be pointed out is that allowing illegal immigration rewards those who break the law, while those who stand in line abiding by the laws (filling out forms and paying fees) are punished. My wife is planning on going back to the states with me and I have to sometimes wonder why thousands of illegal aliens are defending by some despite the fact they are breaking the laws. |
I don't think anyone is defending people immigrating illegally. Personally I'm reacting to people characterising all Mexican's as 'bad', immigration in general as an 'invasion', and suggestions that another bout of 'ethnic cleansing/genocide' is what the world needs now.
What I'm really curious to know is why do people blame migrants for the loss of work, the diminishment of their standard of living? With globalisation companies are the one's choosing to employ cheaper workers, either by hiring cheap Mexican labour, or by outsourcing manufacturing and services to China or India. You people want to be angry, try being angry with the people who are literally taking your jobs away, rather than the people at the bottom of the pile trying to make their lives better. |
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dulouz
Joined: 04 Feb 2003
Location: Uranus
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| Posted: Thu Sep 07, 2006 9:35 am Post subject: |
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| rather than the people at the bottom of the pile trying to make their lives better. |
The people in this post, with the $1,000,000 have had their life made much better but they still won't do the right thing.
They say they want a little. There is a concept of helping the poor but you intentionaly left the help ceiling undiscussed. You don't ask for help, you ask for everything but you call it "just a little help". We don't feel like giving you a pass anymore. |
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blackbird
Joined: 28 Apr 2003
Location: Songtan
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| Posted: Sat Sep 09, 2006 5:46 pm Post subject: |
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| I would be happy to see the US exchange the 20 million illegal aliens for 20 million legal aliens. I just don't want to see the current 20 million criminals receive amnesty. Give me law abiding immigrants who are interested in learning English and becoming American citizens. |
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huffdaddy
Joined: 25 Nov 2005
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| Posted: Sat Sep 09, 2006 7:02 pm Post subject: |
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| I wonder how many people who complain about illegal immigrants have worked illegally in another country? |
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dulouz
Joined: 04 Feb 2003
Location: Uranus
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| Posted: Sat Sep 09, 2006 7:30 pm Post subject: |
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Dude if you were here, I'd rap you in the face you stupid *uck.
Work = work
These people get benefits and citizenship and right now that stuff is limitless. This is actually 70% of our complaint.
If they would negotiate we could have a viable guest worker program where dozens of millions of people could rotate through and actually work. This gorging on citizenship/transient citizenship/land grab/revenge for 150 year old war is what were talking about dumb *ss! |
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