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Horangi Munshin



Joined: 06 Apr 2003
Location: Busan

PostPosted: Thu Sep 07, 2006 6:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wow.

I guess I'm lucky. I teach with my co-teacher in the mornings at my main school. He is great, we follow the books and use different actiivities to reinforce that lesson material. It's pretty simple stuff but the students haven't been learning English for very long.

In the afternoon everything is up to me. I just have to hand in my lesson plans at the end of the month (for 8 afternoon classes).
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TheUrbanMyth



Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired

PostPosted: Thu Sep 07, 2006 6:48 pm    Post subject: Re: public school teachers.... Reply with quote

ttompatz wrote:
(1) [I don't know about the others, but I have almost absolute freedom within the class. Cover the basic curriculum but do what I think is best to make sure the kids absorb what is necessary.

Occasionally I have been asked to dumb the stuff down cause we were getting too far ahead of the requirements. Kids aren't supposed to learn to write until 4th and 5th grade. (2) We kinda messed up on that and started teaching our Gr 1 & 2 classes to read and write as well as simple conversations.

For those who usually only SKIM and then make stupid comments, (3) YES, I am in a PUBLIC elementary school and NO, I am NOT in a hakwon. Yes I am sure.

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1. Same here, just about total autonomy in the afternoon classes (in the morning I just follow the GD lesson plans with my co-teachers)


2. I'm doing that too with my grade 1 and 2's. No one's said anything so far though...and I'm begining my second year.

3. Same here as well.
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bnrockin



Joined: 27 Feb 2006

PostPosted: Thu Sep 07, 2006 7:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is it possible for someone without TEFL or ESL certification to teach in public schools?
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rawiri



Joined: 01 Jun 2003
Location: Lovely day for a fire drill.

PostPosted: Thu Sep 07, 2006 8:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

[quote="bnrockin"]Is it possible for someone without TEFL or ESL certification to teach in public schools?[/quote]


Your looking at one.

I do a pretty good job too if i say so myself. I have co teachers but i told them that during english time just go relax in the staff room. I don't really like having them hovering around, i like to be the head negro in charge in my classes and so far (4 months in) so good!
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passport220



Joined: 14 Jun 2006
Location: Gyeongsangbuk-do province

PostPosted: Thu Sep 07, 2006 9:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

bnrockin wrote:
Is it possible for someone without TEFL or ESL certification to teach in public schools?
What rawiri said. It is not required, but if you have one you will likely be entitled to extra compensation (about 100,000 won per month).
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saybanana



Joined: 28 Mar 2006
Location: LA

PostPosted: Fri Sep 08, 2006 7:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

In regards to following the teacher's guide, my co-teachers and I usually do what is in that book. The only thing that changes are the games or activities. I usually find another game to do. (Acutally the idea cookbook in Dave's Cafe is a lifesaver). Tic-Tac-Toe AKA Bingo works alot for any English topic and most students love it. Also Hangman in learning vocab. I try to avoid the songs with older students because I know they wont sing it. Sometimes I am a bastard and call individual students to sing the songs alone in class just because they tick me off for not paying attention.

Since vacation its been rushed. But since we have a short semester this latter half of the year, we are doing 4 lesson periods into 3 lessons. Cramming everything doesnt seem to help.

I love the elementary school textbooks and CDs. It's not because the book is the best best (its not), but its hilarious. I crack meself up, everytime. Julie and Minsu and and the gang. Funny!!!!!!

I have a 20%success rate with 6th graders and 70% with 5th grade. 90% with 3rd and 4th.

I talked to my co-teachers if I have freedom to teach what I want, and they said yes if we follow the topics in the book. I tried that earlier in the year, but with my additional classes, teachers classes, and everything else, it was too much additional work making resources and such. Now I just cover the book and add special things here and there. 40 mins just isnt really enough time per week.
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Junior



Joined: 18 Nov 2005
Location: the eye

PostPosted: Fri Sep 08, 2006 7:08 am    Post subject: Re: public school teachers.... Reply with quote

LateBloomer wrote:
How closely do you have to follow the teachers' guide that your school uses?


It used to be a simple case of pasting the entire lesson from the official govt website onto a microsoft word docu and then printing it: lesson plan achieved in 2 minutes.

But then they took all that down and replaced it with the step & jump thing.

Basically write whatever you want on the plans. They can't read them anyway. I could be in trouble soon though, apparently the head inspector will be paying a visit soon to check that all the lesson plans are immaculate.
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Kimchieluver



Joined: 02 Mar 2005

PostPosted: Fri Sep 08, 2006 4:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have 100% autonomy. Sometimes the co-teachers will ask for something specific. I do 1/3 grammar points/games, 1/3 culture, 1/3 situational dialogue (roughly). I only use the text when a lesson plan has flopped and is not salvageable. I don't want to be the human tape recorder, that would just suck.
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kiwiliz



Joined: 20 Apr 2006
Location: New Zealand

PostPosted: Sat Sep 09, 2006 1:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm with you saybanana. I use the same book but find the games on the whole boring in the extreme.

I teach at 4 schools and follow the book to the letter at one - I have a make Korean co-teacher who teaches this way. We have fun though, his english is good and we joke with it alot.
At 2 others I follow the book loosely, often putting my own materials or games in, and at the fourth school I don't use it at all, but do something that supports the topic.

My problems with the book are the number of errors in it, and that the teachers books, esoecially in the lower grades, have the instructions for the games written in Korean!!
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bnrockin



Joined: 27 Feb 2006

PostPosted: Sun Sep 10, 2006 9:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

What are the roles of the co-teachers in public schools anyway? Do you share class time with them or what? (Never taught in a public school so I am kind of in the dark on this one).
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formerflautist



Joined: 30 May 2006

PostPosted: Sun Sep 10, 2006 7:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Depends on the school. I have four different co-teachers. But they're only there for translation purposes. I actually prefer they not be there and I've made it clear that they should not step in unless I request their assistance. I'm in charge in my classes and they're only there for window dressing.
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LateBloomer



Joined: 06 May 2006

PostPosted: Mon Sep 11, 2006 12:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is anyone willing to share any ideas regarding games that have worked for them? I am in my first week of trying to make sense of the grade six teacher's guide and I'm really confused by some of it. I've often thought that an "idea/ lesson exchange" section on Dave's might be a good idea...something apart from and more specific than the cookbook.
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wormholes101



Joined: 11 Mar 2003

PostPosted: Mon Sep 11, 2006 2:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

LateBloomer wrote:
Is anyone willing to share any ideas regarding games that have worked for them?


This website http://genkienglish.net/gamemenu.htm I find has excellent games. It's a Japanese website with games designed for large classes of Asian Elementary school aged kids; this ties very nicely with what we are doing here in Korea.

I love this game. http://genkienglish.net/soldiersninjas.htm
It's awesome because the kids are almost constantly interacting with each other and you can target any conversation topic. You'll need minimal materials; just a few laminated pictures to aid the conversation.

I modify the game somewhat. I don't have the ninjas charging the soldier line but rather line up orderly. I also tend to use just one question but have variable answers. This is where the laminated cards come in. Also, I have the kids police each other. If one of them mangles the sentence, they don't get to scissors, paper rock. This gives them motivation to get it right.

For example, this week grade 4 are doing "Who is she?" (he, this, that). If things go to plan next week, the soldiers will have famous people cards and will have to ask "Who is she?" (he, this). Ninjas will have to answer "She (he, this) is _____." Simple, fun and appropriate. I'll usually give a small treat to the king at the end of the game.

You should note that it's not a Lesson 1 game but something you might do in Lesson 2, 3 or 4.

Also, your class control will have to be pretty good and you'll need a way of getting their attention back quickly.

The lesson swap/exchange idea is not a bad one. I was thinking about this recently. I'd be interested in discussing it further.
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LateBloomer



Joined: 06 May 2006

PostPosted: Mon Sep 11, 2006 4:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks very much Wormholes 101--some good information.

If you would like to discuss how we might set up some sort of sharing group--pm me. I've given it some more thought.
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