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Yusef
Joined: 30 Aug 2006
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 Posted: Thu Sep 07, 2006 9:22 pm Post subject: I got a 3 bedroom apt do you think i'm allowed to rent it? |
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So my school provided housing turns out to be a three bed room apartment
it's just for me, not shared
but do you think I will be able to rent out the other rooms?
this probably sounds stupid and childish but I don't want to ask the school cause if they say no, then i know the answer is no
but if i just do it then i can always say i didn't know
if it turns out to be a problem
so i'm just asking if anyone has familiarity with a situation like this.
would renting out the rooms be illegal?
i guess i would have to find renters willing to go in without a formal contract
but it seems like with the ecclectic crowd of foreigners runnin around in korea that might not be too hard
especially in a big city like busan, plus its not too far from the beach
does this sound like a stupid idea or do you think it might be worthwhile? |
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laogaiguk
Joined: 06 Dec 2005
Location: somewhere in Korea
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| Posted: Thu Sep 07, 2006 9:48 pm Post subject: Re: I got a 3 bedroom apt do you think i'm allowed to rent i |
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| Yusef wrote: |
So my school provided housing turns out to be a three bed room apartment
it's just for me, not shared
but do you think I will be able to rent out the other rooms?
this probably sounds stupid and childish but I don't want to ask the school cause if they say no, then i know the answer is no
but if i just do it then i can always say i didn't know
if it turns out to be a problem
so i'm just asking if anyone has familiarity with a situation like this.
would renting out the rooms be illegal?
i guess i would have to find renters willing to go in without a formal contract
but it seems like with the ecclectic crowd of foreigners runnin around in korea that might not be too hard
especially in a big city like busan, plus its not too far from the beach
does this sound like a stupid idea or do you think it might be worthwhile? |
You can't rent them out legally. You are not the tenant on the lease. It is completely illegal. I also would not bring it up with your school, as they will then think abuot it much harder than you want them to. This would probably also be hard to hide.
I am having trouble not adding in what I really think of this post  Stay helpful, stay helpful... |
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I_Am_Wrong
Joined: 14 Sep 2004
Location: whatever
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| Posted: Thu Sep 07, 2006 10:15 pm Post subject: |
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of course you could rent a room out to a foreign student or a teacher doing privates or something. It would be illegal but wouldn't be hard to keep under the radar.
Personally, I'd skip the extra cash and enjoy all the extra space myself. |
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laogaiguk
Joined: 06 Dec 2005
Location: somewhere in Korea
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| Posted: Thu Sep 07, 2006 10:26 pm Post subject: |
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| I_Am_Wrong wrote: |
of course you could rent a room out to a foreign student or a teacher doing privates or something. It would be illegal but wouldn't be hard to keep under the radar.
Personally, I'd skip the extra cash and enjoy all the extra space myself. |
Your landlord would find out. Sorry I_Am_Wrong, but you are wrong. If you take out the trash in the wrong bag or take it to the wrong place, people will notice. Foreigners are noticed. Comes with the job. Trying to hide an extra foreigner would become difficult even without this fact, let alone with it.
More importantly, you do not want to live with most people in this country, especially the illegal ones. |
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tiger fancini
Joined: 21 Mar 2006
Location: Testicles for Eyes
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| Posted: Thu Sep 07, 2006 10:55 pm Post subject: Re: I got a 3 bedroom apt do you think i'm allowed to rent i |
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| Yusef wrote: |
So my school provided housing turns out to be a three bed room apartment
it's just for me, not shared
but do you think I will be able to rent out the other rooms?
this probably sounds stupid and childish but I don't want to ask the school cause if they say no, then i know the answer is no
but if i just do it then i can always say i didn't know
if it turns out to be a problem
so i'm just asking if anyone has familiarity with a situation like this.
would renting out the rooms be illegal?
i guess i would have to find renters willing to go in without a formal contract
but it seems like with the ecclectic crowd of foreigners runnin around in korea that might not be too hard
especially in a big city like busan, plus its not too far from the beach
does this sound like a stupid idea or do you think it might be worthwhile? |
 You must be joking! Firstly, I would assume it IS illegal. Secondly, you could attract all kind of undesireables to become your new roomies, and if anything were to happen (ie they robbed you, burnt the place down etc) YOU would be the one liable! |
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MantisBot
Joined: 28 Nov 2005
Location: Itaewon, Seoul, SK
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| Posted: Thu Sep 07, 2006 11:31 pm Post subject: |
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I think the most obvious reason for your boss' "generosity" would be this:
your boss fully expects to toss 2 more foreign teachers in there with you.
If you're renting out the rooms and your boss hires another teacher who expects to live there, who do YOU think will get their ass handed to them?
*hint* they won't be Korean. |
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casey's moon
Joined: 14 Sep 2004
Location: Daejeon
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| Posted: Fri Sep 08, 2006 12:27 am Post subject: |
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| Definitely don't ask your boss about this or you will have roommates within seconds -- and they won't be paying. I agree with those who have suggested that this is a terrible idea, sorry to say. |
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Yusef
Joined: 30 Aug 2006
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| Posted: Fri Sep 08, 2006 5:28 am Post subject: |
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ok point take
i mean i guess i knew it was a bad idea from the start
just thought i'd put it out there
you never know, a bunch of posts come back sayin "it happens all the time n you'll be fine" n i probably would convince myself
but yeah i'm stupid
i mean the legallity thing is pretty obvious
ok thanks for the input |
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I_Am_Wrong
Joined: 14 Sep 2004
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| Posted: Fri Sep 08, 2006 10:50 am Post subject: |
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| I_Am_Wrong wrote: |
of course you could rent a room out to a foreign student or a teacher doing privates or something. It would be illegal but wouldn't be hard to keep under the radar.
Personally, I'd skip the extra cash and enjoy all the extra space myself. |
Your landlord would find out. Sorry I_Am_Wrong, but you are wrong. If you take out the trash in the wrong bag or take it to the wrong place, people will notice. Foreigners are noticed. Comes with the job. Trying to hide an extra foreigner would become difficult even without this fact, let alone with it.
More importantly, you do not want to live with most people in this country, especially the illegal ones. |
I disagree, landlord would never find out. First, all apartments have two entrances and one is usually not in the radar of security/maintenance. Two, in cities people don't pay as much attention to foreigners. Three, it would be easy to pass the other person off, if caught, as a visiting friend or something. Four, obviously you wouldn't want any random person so you'd hold an interview. There are enough students on foreign work programs/foreign student programs that it'd be easy to fill for a reasonable amount. And, it'd be easy to make sure that the main tenant takes care of proper garbage and recycling etc.
I'm not saying do it....but you can do anything if you're smart about it and, remember, you always run a risk. Most public schools don't pay much attention to a teacher's housing other than when they move out. Therefore, I'd say the risk is negligable. |
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I_Am_Wrong
Joined: 14 Sep 2004
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| Posted: Fri Sep 08, 2006 10:53 am Post subject: |
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| Finally, as my name implies, I am often wrong. However, my name is takend from a classic Canadian punk song so take that as you like. I have no qualms about admitting that I often shoot my mouth off (over the internet cuz I'm a fucking tool) and sometimes in public too, but I really couldn't care less. Doesn't making a statement such as, "I_am_wrong.....you are wrong" just seem so typical though? I mean, I could easily say Lagoilaguk(meh) you're not inuit so shut the *beep* up. |
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TheFonz
Joined: 01 Dec 2005
Location: North Georgia
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| Posted: Fri Sep 08, 2006 12:14 pm Post subject: |
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| I_Am_Wrong wrote: |
I disagree, landlord would never find out. First, all apartments have two entrances and one is usually not in the radar of security/maintenance. Two, in cities people don't pay as much attention to foreigners. Three, it would be easy to pass the other person off, if caught, as a visiting friend or something. Four, obviously you wouldn't want any random person so you'd hold an interview. There are enough students on foreign work programs/foreign student programs that it'd be easy to fill for a reasonable amount. And, it'd be easy to make sure that the main tenant takes care of proper garbage and recycling etc.
I'm not saying do it....but you can do anything if you're smart about it and, remember, you always run a risk. Most public schools don't pay much attention to a teacher's housing other than when they move out. Therefore, I'd say the risk is negligable. |
I agree the risk could be manageable if you found the right roommate. I would do some background work. Set up an interview, get a list of references, and make sure everything checks out. After you have selected a suitable candidate you should be completely honest about your situation. Let them know that at anytime if your boss found out that they might have to leave on short notice. This condition will certainly turn some potential roommates away, but its best to be upfront about your situation instead of ambushing them later on if the doo doo hits the fan.
Since you don�t have a contract they could easily skip out on the rent. Another poster mentioned that they could trash the place and you would be liable or they could rob you. If you got caught I doubt you would lose your job, but you would be in the spotlight from that point on. Casey's Moon pointed out that the boss might decide you don't need all that space to yourself and force you to share your apartment with co-workers.
However if your boss isn't that invasive and your sneaky enough to get away with it you could end up with some extra cash. It is certainly a gamble and there are a lot of "if's" to be answered, but why not give it a try.
Edit: I personally would only risk it if you were sharing it with your good friends. Random people could be more risk than its worth. |
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ddeubel
Joined: 20 Jul 2005
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| Posted: Fri Sep 08, 2006 1:05 pm Post subject: |
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I agree the risk could be manageable if you found the right roommate. I would do some background work. Set up an interview, get a list of references, and make sure everything checks out. After you have selected a suitable candidate you should be completely honest about your situation. Let them know that at anytime if your boss found out that they might have to leave on short notice. This condition will certainly turn some potential roommates away, but its best to be upfront about your situation instead of ambushing them later on if the doo doo hits the fan.
Since you don�t have a contract they could easily skip out on the rent. Another poster mentioned that they could trash the place and you would be liable or they could rob you. If you got caught I doubt you would lose your job, but you would be in the spotlight from that point on. Casey's Moon pointed out that the boss might decide you don't need all that space to yourself and force you to share your apartment with co-workers.
However if your boss isn't that invasive and your sneaky enough to get away with it you could end up with some extra cash. It is certainly a gamble and there are a lot of "if's" to be answered, but why not give it a try.
Edit: I personally would only risk it if you were sharing it with your good friends. Random people could be more risk than its worth. |
And then your "good friend" becomes disgruntled over some minor thing. And then this friend decides to maybe not pay the rent, seeing you are getting it free and you can't do anything about it anyways without forfeiting your ass..........
Just saying that IN NO WAY is it worth the risk . Nice fantasy though, consider yourself fortunate.
DD |
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Grotto
Joined: 21 Mar 2004
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| Posted: Fri Sep 08, 2006 1:28 pm Post subject: |
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| Turn one of the rooms into a classroom and do privates out of it...earn enough money put down the key money on your own apartment and really earn some serious coin.......just keep a supply of beer bottles and half empty soju bottles on hand in case immigration comes calling |
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JongnoGuru
Joined: 25 May 2004
Location: peeing on your doorstep
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| Posted: Fri Sep 08, 2006 2:37 pm Post subject: |
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| TheFonz wrote: |
I agree the risk could be manageable if you found the right roommate. I would do some background work. Set up an interview, get a list of references, and make sure everything checks out. ...
... if your boss isn't that invasive and your sneaky enough to get away with it you could end up with some extra cash. |
Sounds reasonable enough. Still don't know if I'd do it. However I did once work with a guy for a year who did that. He was hired from America for a technical job, the offices were in downtown Seoul, and the apartment they provided for him was in Seocho-gu. In later years the company began buying the apartments they provided for ex-pat staff, but at that time his place was like mine & others: leased from Korean landlords who one normally had no cause to meet and who sometimes didn't live in Seoul or even in Korea. I met the daughter-in-law of my landlord twice in three years, both times at the realtor's office, once on the day I moved in and then the day I moved out.
One nice thing about being a recent hiree anywhere, and especially in Korea, is that those who came before you have already laid the groundwork, fought the good fight, and smoothed out all the kinks. Like Ray and Dave. So he arrives in Seoul and walks into his BIG, 3-bedroom place, and it was totally, incredibly furnished. I mean, it had everything. And nearly everything it had had our big fat chaebol brand on it: the range, MWO, fridge, A/C, TV, stereo, VCR, DVD player...
So there he was, a single guy bouncing around a massive, empty apartment in southern Seoul. And what does he do? Well apparently, he immediately starts networking like a fool behind the scenes, and by about the second month he's found renters for his two largest bedrooms, while he takes the smallest for himself.
His two dude flatmates were a young Japanese engineer in some exchange programme here, who flew home almost every weekend, and a middle-aged Korean-American owner of a small trading company, who I think was a relative of somebody from the office. The latter spent very little time in Korea at all, and basically just wanted a small, cheap place of his own when in Seoul.
I don't recall what he was charging them. Maybe 300k each/month. But I do remember that I and the small handful of others who were privy to this little sub-leasing scheme of his were not impressed, to say the least. We told him the company would also take a very dim view should they find out. No, not that they'll demand he pay them the rent money he'd collected (which is what he was worried about!  ) but that it would simply look damn chintzy, money-grubbing and unbecoming as hell. Particularly as he'd arranged it, living like a church mouse in the smallest bedroom so he could maximise his rental income.  He never had a single house party while he lived in Korea, and that's the reason.
Whatever the legality of it, he was earning a good salary and really didn't need that extra income. Besides, those apartments were provided for us, specifically, and for our own personal use -- they weren't "benefits" or playthings to be subdivided so we can play "sandbox landlord" with them. On the other hand, a wife or even a live-in girlfriend would have been just fine, I'm certain of that.
As to the concerns about landlords finding out.... so what? Generally landlords (assuming they aren't living right on top of you) are nothing to worry about. If they do get wise, why should they care? They have their chonsei and aren't about to rock the boat.
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laogaiguk
Joined: 06 Dec 2005
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| Posted: Fri Sep 08, 2006 2:47 pm Post subject: |
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| Finally, as my name implies, I am often wrong. However, my name is takend from a classic Canadian punk song so take that as you like. I have no qualms about admitting that I often shoot my mouth off (over the internet cuz I'm a *beep* tool) and sometimes in public too, but I really couldn't care less. Doesn't making a statement such as, "I_am_wrong.....you are wrong" just seem so typical though? I mean, I could easily say Lagoilaguk(meh) you're not inuit so shut the *beep* up. |
No, but I am 1/8 Metis  |
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