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PolishZeus



Joined: 12 Jun 2006

PostPosted: Mon Sep 11, 2006 12:26 pm    Post subject: Salary in Daegu Reply with quote

Quick question (hopefully):

I have heard that the cost of living is cheaper in Daegu compared to Seoul (which isn't surprising since Seoul is the largest city....).

However, a possible employer is offering me 2.0 mil won as a salary.

I have a lot of background with kids (Kindergarten through high school) as well as a Masters in math education. Although math education isn't as good as a masters in Education for this job, I figured a masters in an educational field should certainly get me a smidge more pay than usual.

I have not been to Korea nor have I taught English abroad so I'm sure I won't be arguing over much. However, I feel that I should be shooting for 2.1 or more for Daegu.
Thoughts?
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Natebomb



Joined: 23 May 2006

PostPosted: Mon Sep 11, 2006 1:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, I was offered 2.1 straight out in Daegu with zero experience and a bachelors degree. I've been offered as high as 2.5 elsewhere. I'm attributing to my extremely handsome features Cool
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dimnd



Joined: 19 May 2005
Location: Western USA

PostPosted: Mon Sep 11, 2006 2:02 pm    Post subject: salary Reply with quote

2.0 is lousy...to say the least..say 2.1-2.2 at least
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Yu_Bum_suk



Joined: 25 Dec 2004

PostPosted: Mon Sep 11, 2006 4:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There's not that much difference between Daegu and Seoul when it comes to most things, especially since your living accomodations will probably be provided.

2.0 is pretty low for an experienced teacher; however, if it's an after-school academy they probably don't care whom the get as long as it's a compliant white face.
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chronicpride



Joined: 16 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Mon Sep 11, 2006 5:30 pm    Post subject: Re: Salary in Daegu Reply with quote

PolishZeus wrote:
Quick question (hopefully):

I have heard that the cost of living is cheaper in Daegu compared to Seoul (which isn't surprising since Seoul is the largest city....).

However, a possible employer is offering me 2.0 mil won as a salary.

I have a lot of background with kids (Kindergarten through high school) as well as a Masters in math education. Although math education isn't as good as a masters in Education for this job, I figured a masters in an educational field should certainly get me a smidge more pay than usual.

I have not been to Korea nor have I taught English abroad so I'm sure I won't be arguing over much. However, I feel that I should be shooting for 2.1 or more for Daegu.
Thoughts?


Try to keep in mind that the difference between 2.0 and 2.1 is $100 measly dollars a month. There are a ton of other factors you should be considering before signing a year-long commitment, than looking around for who pays $100 more than the other guy. No one talks about 'thank god I got that extra $100/mnth' once you're 1-2 months into a contract. You start thinking about other things like how crappy the 1 hr commute is to your school. Or how far away Emart or good shopping areas are from you. Or having to deal with feelings of isolation because you are the only foreigner at the school and in area of Korea where its tough to meet others, so you have to come online to try to look for people near you.

In 2003, I worked at a school in downtown Daegu for 1.8/mnth and lived in an apartment building that had 8 other foreigners there and we regularly had rooftop parties. The school employed a maintenance guy to specifically deal with apartment problems/plumbing as soon as it arises. Even help you decipher the Korean on the laundry machine. The school was a 2 minute walk away. The downtown bar district was a 10 minute walk/stumble away. The owner would often take teaching staff to Costco. The school paid on time and was totally professional and precise when it came to finances and deductions. Reimbursed airfare. Paid visa runs. Payroll advances when you get into a pinch. The books sucked, but that's about the only major knock.

Point being, don't judge a job opportunity on who pays $100/mnth more than the other offer. Ask a ton of questions to the existing teachers there and consider the things that could eventually drive you nuts. Your extra $100-200/mnth doesn't mean squat if you find yourself miserable and contemplating a midnight run, 4 months into the job.
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just because



Joined: 01 Aug 2003
Location: Changwon - 4964

PostPosted: Mon Sep 11, 2006 5:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Day to day living expenses are quite very similar throughout the country, no matter if you are in seoul or in the countryside....

However, what is more expensive is temptations that get you to spend...in Seoul these are more plentiful than daegu...things such as good food, good books, good nightlife,etc.....

However, the gap is closing with even minor cities getting good mexican and Thia restaurants and of course the rapant frnachising of TGI Fridays, bennigans, Outback,etc..........plus you can buy anything you ever needed in seoul from the net....
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just because



Joined: 01 Aug 2003
Location: Changwon - 4964

PostPosted: Mon Sep 11, 2006 5:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just to point out again...this is gold chronicpride

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Point being, don't judge a job opportunity on who pays $100/mnth more than the other offer. Ask a ton of questions to the existing teachers there and consider the things that could eventually drive you nuts. Your extra $100-200/mnth doesn't mean squat if you find yourself miserable and contemplating a midnight run, 4 months into the job.


That says it all...

Over in the west people are so concerened about levels and amounts of money but being treated well here and working in a good workplace is a lot more important than a little bit more money.....

A good and supportive workplace will make your year(and experience) an enjoyable one, while a bad and unsupportive one(which we read about on here so often) can make your experience very sour....
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PolishZeus



Joined: 12 Jun 2006

PostPosted: Mon Sep 11, 2006 6:46 pm    Post subject: Re: Salary in Daegu Reply with quote

chronicpride wrote:
PolishZeus wrote:
Quick question (hopefully):

I have heard that the cost of living is cheaper in Daegu compared to Seoul (which isn't surprising since Seoul is the largest city....).

However, a possible employer is offering me 2.0 mil won as a salary.

I have a lot of background with kids (Kindergarten through high school) as well as a Masters in math education. Although math education isn't as good as a masters in Education for this job, I figured a masters in an educational field should certainly get me a smidge more pay than usual.

I have not been to Korea nor have I taught English abroad so I'm sure I won't be arguing over much. However, I feel that I should be shooting for 2.1 or more for Daegu.
Thoughts?


Try to keep in mind that the difference between 2.0 and 2.1 is $100 measly dollars a month. There are a ton of other factors you should be considering before signing a year-long commitment, than looking around for who pays $100 more than the other guy. No one talks about 'thank god I got that extra $100/mnth' once you're 1-2 months into a contract. You start thinking about other things like how crappy the 1 hr commute is to your school. Or how far away Emart or good shopping areas are from you. Or having to deal with feelings of isolation because you are the only foreigner at the school and in area of Korea where its tough to meet others, so you have to come online to try to look for people near you.

In 2003, I worked at a school in downtown Daegu for 1.8/mnth and lived in an apartment building that had 8 other foreigners there and we regularly had rooftop parties. The school employed a maintenance guy to specifically deal with apartment problems/plumbing as soon as it arises. Even help you decipher the Korean on the laundry machine. The school was a 2 minute walk away. The downtown bar district was a 10 minute walk/stumble away. The owner would often take teaching staff to Costco. The school paid on time and was totally professional and precise when it came to finances and deductions. Reimbursed airfare. Paid visa runs. Payroll advances when you get into a pinch. The books sucked, but that's about the only major knock.

Point being, don't judge a job opportunity on who pays $100/mnth more than the other offer. Ask a ton of questions to the existing teachers there and consider the things that could eventually drive you nuts. Your extra $100-200/mnth doesn't mean squat if you find yourself miserable and contemplating a midnight run, 4 months into the job.



Perhaps I should have put the disclaimer on my post. I have been doing a lot of research on teaching in Korea (since last winter) so I'm becoming familiar with the differences in jobs and paying attention to all the little details.

However, the purpose of my posting was to see if the price of living in Daegu was different enough to warrant the $100 difference of monthly pay.
So focusing strictly on cost of living in Daegu vs. Seoul and not on the other details----is the 'standard' pay of 2.1 mil a reasonable amount to ask for when working in Daegu?


P.S. Thank you all for posting though. All comments have been helpful.
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I_Am_Wrong



Joined: 14 Sep 2004
Location: whatever

PostPosted: Mon Sep 11, 2006 7:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If I was in your position (a masters and strong background with children) I wouldn't take anything less then 2.4. Is your experience public school back home? If the place doing the hiring isn't recognizing the fact that you have a masters and experience...then they aren't going to be worth it.
People with bachelors in basket weaving with their only experience being frat parties are getting 2-2.1
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Corporal



Joined: 25 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Mon Sep 11, 2006 7:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Natebomb wrote:
Well, I was offered 2.1 straight out in Daegu with zero experience and a bachelors degree.


Here too, five years ago.
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tophatcat



Joined: 09 Aug 2006
Location: under the hat

PostPosted: Mon Sep 11, 2006 9:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think 2.1 is a reasonable request. However, you might want to avoid any offer if it comes from OSS English Club in Daegu.
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Dev



Joined: 18 Apr 2006

PostPosted: Mon Sep 11, 2006 10:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

2 million won would be good for a public school position because you won't teach more than 22 hours per week.

If a hagwon offers you this kind of salary, forget it (unless you need to get working right away).

As for Daegu VS. Seoul, schools in Daegu should pay you more than Seoul. However, more otten, they will make up some BS saying that you're so much richer working in Daegu for 2 M won a month compared to working in Seoul.

This is the lame argument they give you to try to pay you less. The fact is that most foreigners (and Koreans) would rather work and live in Seoul. All of the action and half or Korea's festivals are here. Korea should be like western countries with respect to how they decide their salaries. In a western country, they will pay you more to work in less desireable parts of the country. Here they just hand you the BS that you'll be rolling in all the money you'll be saving. Too bad you'll have little to do most weekends.

The upside of working in a hagown in Daegu is that they have trouble replacing foreigners. That means you don't have to take any beeeeeep from them. You tell them what you want or you're going to take your services elsewhere. It works the opposite way in Seoul.
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the eye



Joined: 29 Jan 2004

PostPosted: Tue Sep 12, 2006 6:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

tophatcat wrote:
I think 2.1 is a reasonable request. However, you might want to avoid any offer if it comes from OSS English Club in Daegu.


Now, those people run a place called Noble, in Manchon Dong.
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Missile Command Kid



Joined: 17 Jul 2006
Location: Daegu

PostPosted: Tue Sep 12, 2006 6:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm making 2.5 in Daegu: MA in English, experience with ESL back home but first year in Korea, male (this matters, believe it or not), and I brought my wife and two kids with me (this matters to my school, as they want to make sure that I'm taken care of!). Living in Daegu is cheaper than Canada by far except for a few choice Western staples. Can't compare it to Seoul as I've never lived there.

I love this city. The subway is terrific, and the city is small enough that I can get halfway across it for 5000-6000 won. The people here, both at work and in public, have been helpful, friendly, and extremely tolerant of me as a newbie.

Recruiters both in Canada and SK told me that my MA wouldn't help me to get a better salary, but once I'm here, I've discovered that practically nobody with an MA works in a hagwon - they all go for university jobs. If you want to work for a hagwon, shoot for the moon and prepare to accept a very nice offer. I was completely ignorant when I applied for and accepted a job here, and I realise now that I could have been completely taken advantage of. I would have accepted a 2.1 salary without batting an eye. This makes me respect my employers even more, and only increases my enjoyment of this country.
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Hotpants



Joined: 27 Jan 2006

PostPosted: Wed Sep 13, 2006 12:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've worked in both places. I would say that there is not really much noticeable difference between the two cities, except that apartment rental costs are higher in Seoul (no problem if your employer provides accomm) and I do spend MUCH more on the subway in Seoul! Although there must be some slight pricing difference because in Daegu I collected zillions of those annoying 10Won coins, but hardly get any in Seoul. Go fathom. There are also more attractions in Seoul and many more Western restaurants, so you could find yourself spending more quite unintentionally in Seoul.
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