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princess
Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Location: soul of Asia
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Posted: Sun Sep 10, 2006 3:21 pm Post subject: |
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| Feloria wrote: |
Just yesterday I went to a doctors' appt. When I was waiting in the lobby, this guy came up to me and said "So, do you have any kids"?
I said "No".
He said "Are you married"?
I said "No".
His response: "Oh, I guess things haven't worked out for you then".
GEEZ! |
I think that guy sounds like one big loser, who probably married someone he settled for and he's just jealous that you still have your freedom! |
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Cheonmunka

Joined: 04 Jun 2004
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Posted: Mon Sep 11, 2006 1:57 pm Post subject: |
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He seems overly smug.
Perhaps he doesn't do a lot of work around the house, nor need to scrimp and scrape for the bill and mortgage payments.
The reality of being a newish parent, is keeping a close eye on budgets. But, as they get further into it most find that they have more money and assetts than their single friends.
In many ways marriage and family life paradoxically becomes more free.
When I was single it seemed that many people nagged me akin to my laziness. Now, I am a parent when I take a day off to goof around, or fall asleep in the afternoon, no one mentions this. In fact, I feel encouraged to do so.
I would never, as a single guy, had found any necessity in property ownership. Because it becomes a financial necessity as a parent, one somehow finds the means and does it. But just because there is property in my name doesn't mean I have that money, my family does. I can most likely never sell it to by a hacienda in Fiji and ply my Cessna on the island traffic.
I'm kind of set in this role, not toying with unrealised dreams, in order that I don't lose any family wealth.
Not everyone is comfortable at parenting. But, I know some people in their 20's who think they wouldn't be good parents who actually would be very good.
I am lucky my wife is 90% the parent brain. If it wasn't for her I'd likely be childless. |
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Julius

Joined: 27 Jul 2006
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Posted: Mon Sep 11, 2006 5:38 pm Post subject: |
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| princess wrote: |
| Feloria wrote: |
Just yesterday I went to a doctors' appt. When I was waiting in the lobby, this guy came up to me and said "So, do you have any kids"?
I said "No".
He said "Are you married"?
I said "No".
His response: "Oh, I guess things haven't worked out for you then".
GEEZ! |
I think that guy sounds like one big loser, who probably married someone he settled for and he's just jealous that you still have your freedom! |
Given that koreans are pressured into marrying, they do so in the same way westerners all take their driving test around the same age- being single by choice in this country would indicate an independent free thinker.
It'd take a strong person to resist such pressures. |
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princess
Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Location: soul of Asia
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Posted: Mon Sep 11, 2006 8:40 pm Post subject: |
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| Julius wrote: |
| princess wrote: |
| Feloria wrote: |
Just yesterday I went to a doctors' appt. When I was waiting in the lobby, this guy came up to me and said "So, do you have any kids"?
I said "No".
He said "Are you married"?
I said "No".
His response: "Oh, I guess things haven't worked out for you then".
GEEZ! |
I think that guy sounds like one big loser, who probably married someone he settled for and he's just jealous that you still have your freedom! |
Given that koreans are pressured into marrying, they do so in the same way westerners all take their driving test around the same age- being single by choice in this country would indicate an independent free thinker.
It'd take a strong person to resist such pressures. |
I'd say my former Korean roommate is a strong person because at 31, she said she never wants to get married or have kids. She used to constantly fight with her Mom until her Mom just gave up. She's the only Korean I've ever met who feels this way. |
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seoulshock
Joined: 12 Jul 2005
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Posted: Mon Sep 11, 2006 8:42 pm Post subject: |
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| I read a book a really long time ago called "The Baby Trap" by Ellen Peck. You could probably pick up a used copy on Amazon for under a buck. |
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jmbran11
Joined: 19 Jan 2006 Location: U.S.
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Posted: Mon Sep 11, 2006 9:05 pm Post subject: |
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| Cheonmunka wrote: |
| I am lucky my wife is 90% the parent brain. If it wasn't for her I'd likely be childless. |
Yes, I imagine you'd have quite a time giving birth without her. |
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otis

Joined: 02 Jun 2006
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Posted: Mon Sep 11, 2006 10:42 pm Post subject: Re: Is it wrong not to have kids? |
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I have been mulling the topic over.....bit of a personal development, but I do believe that don't want to have children. I am a teacher by trade and as much as I love teaching children, I shy away from the idea of being responsible of having one of my own.
No argument with those who want kids. I mean, by all means breed away.
But I wonder how many of you out there frown at those who don't want children.
Is it selfish of me? |
It's not wrong. It just makes your life empty.
Whatever you decide is your choice, but having your own little rug-rat is something else.
You'll really enjoy it. |
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periwinkle
Joined: 08 Feb 2003
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Posted: Tue Sep 12, 2006 12:27 am Post subject: |
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| Feloria wrote: |
Just yesterday I went to a doctors' appt. When I was waiting in the lobby, this guy came up to me and said "So, do you have any kids"?
I said "No".
He said "Are you married"?
I said "No".
His response: "Oh, I guess things haven't worked out for you then".
GEEZ! |
What did you say? What a judgemental fvck. I guess I'm being judgemental by thinking that, but that's uncalled-for. I swear, some people can't keep their opinions to themselves. Unbelievable.
I hope you told him to eff off. If not, you are more polite than I... ^~ |
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gang ah jee

Joined: 14 Jan 2003 Location: city of paper
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Posted: Tue Sep 12, 2006 12:32 am Post subject: |
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| Has anyone said that not having kids is wrong yet? |
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Wrench
Joined: 07 Apr 2005
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Posted: Tue Sep 12, 2006 12:55 am Post subject: Re: Is it wrong not to have kids? |
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| otis wrote: |
| Skywalker26 wrote: |
I have been mulling the topic over.....bit of a personal development, but I do believe that don't want to have children. I am a teacher by trade and as much as I love teaching children, I shy away from the idea of being responsible of having one of my own.
No argument with those who want kids. I mean, by all means breed away.
But I wonder how many of you out there frown at those who don't want children.
Is it selfish of me? |
It's not wrong. It just makes your life empty.
Whatever you decide is your choice, but having your own little rug-rat is something else.
You'll really enjoy it. |
talk about a judgmental ass. What makes you the authority on judging on what makes a complete aka full life. |
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otis

Joined: 02 Jun 2006
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Posted: Tue Sep 12, 2006 1:01 am Post subject: Re: Is it wrong not to have kids? |
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| Wrench wrote: |
| otis wrote: |
| Skywalker26 wrote: |
I have been mulling the topic over.....bit of a personal development, but I do believe that don't want to have children. I am a teacher by trade and as much as I love teaching children, I shy away from the idea of being responsible of having one of my own.
No argument with those who want kids. I mean, by all means breed away.
But I wonder how many of you out there frown at those who don't want children.
Is it selfish of me? |
It's not wrong. It just makes your life empty.
Whatever you decide is your choice, but having your own little rug-rat is something else.
You'll really enjoy it. |
talk about a judgmental ass. What makes you the authority on judging on what makes a complete aka full life. |
Until you experience the joy of your child being born, you'll never know.
Sorry if your boys aren't swimming. |
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gang ah jee

Joined: 14 Jan 2003 Location: city of paper
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Posted: Tue Sep 12, 2006 1:05 am Post subject: Re: Is it wrong not to have kids? |
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| otis wrote: |
| Until you experience the joy of your child being born, you'll never know. |
I dunno man. On the one hand I think having children would be the greatest joy a man could ever experience, but then sometimes I start thinking like, 'wow, what if I got stuck in greenland or somewhere and had to eat my baby? My life just wouldn't be worth living!'
So yeah I'm still on the fence. |
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numazawa

Joined: 20 Mar 2005 Location: The Concrete Barnyard
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Posted: Tue Sep 12, 2006 1:19 am Post subject: |
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Right, then... In the further interest of thread-consolidation, unanimity-busting antidisestablishmentarianism and all that is holier-than-thou, we should merge this one with the "cannibalism" poll.
"Is it OK if you don't produce children?"
> Yes, out of concern they might be eaten by the open-minded people
> Yes, because reducing the supply will help support meat prices in the livestock industry
> Yes, because no-name stuff you can buy at the store is cheaper and it tastes the same anyway
> No, meat prices are too damned high; if you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem
> No, it would be an unconscionable waste of many years of practice
> No, because you can change the SPIN but you can't take the NO out of a SPINOZA poll |
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nene

Joined: 11 Jun 2005 Location: Samcheok, Gangwon-do
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Posted: Sat Sep 23, 2006 1:47 am Post subject: |
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According to Robert Persig's morality, as described in Lila, there are four levels of quality, each built on and usurping the former. They are: inorganic, biological, sociological, intellectual.
I would say that biologically - yes, it is wrong not to have children...well, wrong isn't the proper word. You are a biological failure if you don't reproduce. Socially, we've obviously overpopulated the earth, and it's having disasterous consequences. So in terms of society, I think you would be morally correct to not have children. Intellectually, which Persig would say is the most important, well that's up to you..... |
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gang ah jee

Joined: 14 Jan 2003 Location: city of paper
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Posted: Sat Sep 23, 2006 2:05 am Post subject: |
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| You are a biological failure if you don't reproduce. |
Not necessarily. There's been some suggestion that homosexuality remains in society at a stable rate because families with gay members are more likely to successfully reproduce - non-reproducing males may provide benefits for the group, and therefore certain sets of genes, in other ways, like drones in an ant colony. I've explained this really badly.
Anyway if you're not having babies, you're not a failure, you're just a drone. |
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