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BDups
Joined: 23 Aug 2005
Location: Jisan, Daegu
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 Posted: Tue Sep 12, 2006 3:51 am Post subject: Echinacea in Korea |
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| Is there any where I can get this wonderful drug? |
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BDups
Joined: 23 Aug 2005
Location: Jisan, Daegu
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| Posted: Tue Sep 12, 2006 3:54 am Post subject: |
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or even the korean word for it would be great and I could ask a pharmacist.
I have 자주루드베키아 but my korean co teachers have no idea what it is. |
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Rteacher
Joined: 23 May 2005
Location: Western MA, USA
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| Posted: Tue Sep 12, 2006 4:03 am Post subject: |
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| They carry it at the Country Life vegetarian restaurant (run by Seventh Day Adventists) at their Sinsa location. Check the vegetarian threads for the phone number and how to get there... |
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Novernae
Joined: 02 Mar 2005
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| Posted: Tue Sep 12, 2006 6:13 am Post subject: |
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| We found some in tincture form at Namdemun. It was imported from Canada so the labels were all in English. Just scour the shelves until you see it. |
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poker player
Joined: 27 Sep 2004
Location: On the river
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| Posted: Tue Sep 12, 2006 6:25 am Post subject: |
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| Yes it is great but I've also just dicovered oil of oregano. Yes- oregano that spice you put in spaghetti sauce but in incredibly concentrated liquid form. Very expensive but it seems to be a wonder drug-well it's obviously not a drug but it really seems to cure everything from hangovers to the flu. Tastes like crap but does it ever cure whatever is ailing you. |
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Novernae
Joined: 02 Mar 2005
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| Posted: Tue Sep 12, 2006 6:50 am Post subject: |
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| poker player wrote: |
| it's obviously not a drug |
Why not? |
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VanIslander
Joined: 18 Aug 2003
Location: Geoje, Hadong, Tongyeong,... now in a small coastal island town outside Gyeongsangnamdo!
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| Posted: Tue Sep 12, 2006 6:53 am Post subject: |
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| A medical study (Taylor et al. 2003[1].) demonstrated that echinacea products made from the entire plant (not just the root), and taken after the second cold symptom appeared, provided no measurable beneficial effect for children in treating the severity or duration of symptoms caused by the common cold virus. Studies by the University of Virginia School of Medicine (Turner, 2005 [2]) confirmed these results, and added that Echinacea had no clinically significant effects on the common cold even if taken immediately upon infection, or as a prophylaxis starting a week prior to symptoms of infection... The University of Maryland also found that three of four studies concluded that taking Echinacea to prevent a cold was ineffective. |
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Echinacea
I always suspected the North American flower was a kind of snake oil being sold to sick people as those who bought it seemed to me both sick and still sick afterwards! as a teenager, that is. I knew a few people who swore by it but it seemed to offer no miracle cures other than the psychological benefits of the placebo effect.
There are published reports of the effectiveness of it but they haven't squared with the observations I've made of pill-popping herbal lovers I've known. In contrast, my father doesn't eat flowers, even in powder form, but he never gets as much as a common cold: he swears green peppers, paprika, and homemade stiff alcohol (from apricots mostly) keeps his constitution humming. I think he's as much full of b.s. as the herbal pill poppers.
But instead of laughing at all the health claim silliness, a sort of faith even though always backed by witnesses to its truth, I simply *shrug* and appreciate the wide variety of health claims made regarding all sorts of odd and unusual, and everyday, things.
It's days like this that I wish I'd pursued anthropology more. We are one silly animal aren't we! |
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endo
Joined: 14 Mar 2004
Location: Seoul...my home
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| Posted: Tue Sep 12, 2006 7:00 am Post subject: |
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Can I get high with this drug?  |
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BDups
Joined: 23 Aug 2005
Location: Jisan, Daegu
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| Posted: Tue Sep 12, 2006 7:09 am Post subject: |
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I loved that post VanIslander. It seems to go along with the information I get from Koreans about being sick. I have been told by a few that a good way to recover from sickness is to drink Soju. I haven't really bought into this idea, but it definitely changed my mind about staying sober when I'm sick.
My experience with Echinacea has been mixed. I learned of it a few years ago and have had mixed results. I'll still get sick some of the time, but other times the little irritation doesn't seem to grow into anything. It might not have anything to do with the plant, it might just be my mind. Regardless, it's probably the healthiest thing I've ever been addicted to  |
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the eye
Joined: 29 Jan 2004
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| Posted: Tue Sep 12, 2006 8:39 am Post subject: |
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Did you try Walmart's little vitamin cabinet in the food department? It's somewhere near the cereal wall.
Failing that, there are GNC outlets in Donga Department Sote and Lottle Departmets stores... but bring a bank with you...obscenely expensive. |
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ilovebdt
Joined: 03 Jun 2005
Location: Nr Seoul
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| Posted: Tue Sep 12, 2006 3:45 pm Post subject: |
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| Rteacher wrote: |
| They carry it at the Country Life vegetarian restaurant (run by Seventh Day Adventists) at their Sinsa location. Check the vegetarian threads for the phone number and how to get there... |
Don't suppose they have St John's Wort do they?
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Rteacher
Joined: 23 May 2005
Location: Western MA, USA
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| Posted: Tue Sep 12, 2006 7:16 pm Post subject: |
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Yeah, they had St. John's wort in stock too... I think these home herbal remedies can be effective, but the correct herbs have to be prescribed in the proper dosages for the particular ailments. At least some kind of authoritative books should be consulted if their's not a competent (or affordable...) naturopathic doctor available ...
Naturally, the pharmaceutical industry, losing millions in revenue by the sale of herbal supplements and "medicines" will do all it can (ethically or unethically...) to discredit them, but there certainly are dangers in overdosing on some herbs.
An Oriental clinic (run by an Austrian guy...) in Seoul prescribes and prepares its own herbal medications for its patients, but - unlike their acupuncture treatments - they're not covered by Korean health insurance, and they're pretty expensive... |
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mindmetoo
Joined: 02 Feb 2004
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| Posted: Tue Sep 12, 2006 10:04 pm Post subject: |
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| Rteacher wrote: |
| Naturally, the pharmaceutical industry, losing millions in revenue by the sale of herbal supplements and "medicines" will do all it can (ethically or unethically...) to discredit them, but there certainly are dangers in overdosing on some herbs. |
The problem with that argument is if there was profit in it and efficacy in it, they could just get into the game themselves and regain those supposed losses. These are vastly rich corporations with large war chests for advertising.
But no, they prefer to do clinical trials and hard science and discover medications that actually work beyond any placebo effect.
And by discredit them, you mean actually run double blind multicentered clinical trials to see if there is a claimed effect? That kind of discrediting that's gotten you to age 50 via things like vaccines and antibiotics? Gosh, gimme more.
You never really think things through do you?
"Say, I got an idea for raising funds for the Hari Krishnas... lets run up to people in a NASA parking lot and harass them for donations! Because people who are at a tourist attraction just love having their time wasted by cultists!" |
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Rteacher
Joined: 23 May 2005
Location: Western MA, USA
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By the grace of God, all medicinal herbs were provided freely for the benefit of mankind. Due to greed, huge pharmaceutical companies have synthesized and gotten patents on what are essentially the same herbal remedies, and they spend huge sums to discredit the natural cures...
They use double-blind studies alright: ethically and morally blind...
They probably even dole out sums to self-styled "science writers" who gladly put out ass-kissing propaganda for them over the Internet... |
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mindmetoo
Joined: 02 Feb 2004
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| Posted: Wed Sep 13, 2006 5:48 am Post subject: |
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| Rteacher wrote: |
By the grace of God, all medicinal herbs were provided freely for the benefit of mankind. Due to greed, huge pharmaceutical companies have synthesized and gotten patents on what are essentially the same herbal remedies, and they spend huge sums to discredit the natural cures...
They use double-blind studies alright: ethically and morally blind...
They probably even dole out sums to self-styled "science writers" who gladly put out ass-kissing propaganda for them over the Internet... |
And you addressed none of the points I made. Again, typical of your style. Just make up crap because it fits your world view.
Could you provide an example where big pharma used some form of non scientific means to discredit some touted herbal cure?
"The majority of hari krishnas are drug using booze hounds who have sex with dogs."
Golly, it's fun when you can just pull stuff out of your ass. I'm sure there are many people that would actually believe the majority of people in your cult do drugs and engage in deviant and illegal sexual behavior. It would certainly fit their world view.
Hrm. Maybe you'd like people to back up such statements? |
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