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| Is golf a sport? |
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| Well, in the same way darts is a "sport"... sure. |
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| Oh yeah, and my 80+ year old grandma is an athlete too. NO!!! |
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jinju
Joined: 22 Jan 2006
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I agree golf is utter shlte - as is athletics (long jump? someone jumping into a f***ing sandpit? heavens), test cricket, American football, baseball, basketball and pretty much everything apart from Soccer, tennis and my beloved darts.
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Athletics is the purest sport. Running, jumping, throwing these are the purest forms of sport. They go back to the beginnings when we used these things for survival. I like how you dint need any equipment to do any of that stuff. Except for javelin/discuss/hammer I guess. Plus nobody could tell me that athletics isnt a physically demanding sport. The amount of effort put into doing a 10 sec 100m sprint or a fantastic long jump or a fast 10K is enormous. It dwarfs anything golfers do.
My question though is, why does golf have to be a sport? Cant people enjoy it if its just a game? |
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HapKi
Joined: 10 Dec 2004
Location: TALL BUILDING-SEOUL
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| Posted: Wed Sep 13, 2006 8:48 pm Post subject: |
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| My question though is, why does golf have to be a sport? Cant people enjoy it if its just a game? |
Sure they can. The same way people enjoy pick-up games of basketball, tennis, football, and others. However, leagues and associations help to legitimize certain games into sport organizations. The NBA, NFL, MLB, NHL are examples. Golf has the Professional Golfers' Association, PGA. Standards and rules are set that all competitors must follow. |
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jinju
Joined: 22 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Wed Sep 13, 2006 9:02 pm Post subject: |
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| My question though is, why does golf have to be a sport? Cant people enjoy it if its just a game? |
Sure they can. The same way people enjoy pick-up games of basketball, tennis, football, and others. However, leagues and associations help to legitimize certain games into sport organizations. The NBA, NFL, MLB, NHL are examples. Golf has the Professional Golfers' Association, PGA. Standards and rules are set that all competitors must follow. |
So is teaching a sport? Physically demanding (more than golf) and there are teachers unions.
Listen, golf id not a sport. The reason why it is recognized as one by ESPN and CNN is because of MONEY. Thats it. Money. |
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HapKi
Joined: 10 Dec 2004
Location: TALL BUILDING-SEOUL
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| Posted: Wed Sep 13, 2006 9:21 pm Post subject: |
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| Listen, golf id not a sport. The reason why it is recognized as one by ESPN and CNN is because of MONEY. Thats it. Money. |
Yes, you're right. It's about the money. And the money proves that's where the interest lies. 30 million people play golf in the United States. Around the world it's in the 100's of millions. That's why it makes the highlight reel of your local news. That's why it appears in Sports Illustrated (Tiger Woods is the only 2 time winner of their "Sportman of the Year" Award, let me remind you.) That's why Golf Digest is a popular magazine dedicated to golfers who want to improve their game. That's why there are numerous golf cable t.v. stations (Korea has 3). That's why there's an American association (PGA), as well as Canadian, European, Asian, Womens, Senior, and Junior Associations.
Millions of people watch golf as a sport on t.v. But more importantly, millions of people play golf. (Heck, even a lot of golfers would rather play it than watch it.) I think this is part of the reason you are confused in thinking that golf is just a game. |
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flakfizer
Joined: 12 Nov 2004
Location: scaling the Cliffs of Insanity with a frayed rope.
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| Posted: Wed Sep 13, 2006 9:27 pm Post subject: |
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| jinju wrote: |
Athletics is the purest sport. Running, jumping, throwing these are the purest forms of sport. They go back to the beginnings when we used these things for survival. I like how you dint need any equipment to do any of that stuff. Except for javelin/discuss/hammer I guess. Plus nobody could tell me that athletics isnt a physically demanding sport. The amount of effort put into doing a 10 sec 100m sprint or a fantastic long jump or a fast 10K is enormous. It dwarfs anything golfers do.
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Jinju sure is an enigma. I tried to see his point of view harder than usual (on the other thread) because I happen to think that while golf is a sport, it does not require as much athleticism as many other popular sports. I then went on to make a list of athletic qualities/abilities that looked similar to the one Jinju posted here. Here, he is quite right. Speed (meaning foot speed), strength, jumping, quickness (coordination), throwing, endurance etc. are the most basic athletic abilities. Golf incorporates few of these. It is not that I hate golf. I'm no fan of soccer either, I find it dull, but it is obvious that a significant deal of athleticism is needed to play it. Speed, endurance, coordination, jumping are all necessary to play soccer well.
What I don't understand about Jinju, is that he defended F1 as a sport. F1 requires none of the basic athleitc skills except coordination. He argues about the endurance of stressful g-forces, but I always thought of sports endurance as the endurance needed to exert force, not the endurance needed to tolerate a force. Also puzzling is that he called basketball a "fringe sport." I still am not sure what he meant, but to play bball well, one must have speed, endurance, quickness, jumping ability and strength.
If Jinju were more consistent in his sports appraisals, I might take his arguments more seriously.
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jinju
Joined: 22 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Wed Sep 13, 2006 9:32 pm Post subject: |
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Yes, you're right. It's about the money. And the money proves that's where the interest lies. |
I agree. I never said there was no interest in golf. There is quite a lot. Still doesnt make it a sport.
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| 30 million people play golf in the United States. Around the world it's in the 100's of millions. |
Millions play blackjack and roulette in las vegas and Atlantic city casinos. Millions more play it in other gambling centers around the world, like Macau. And milliosn of fat old men play it in their homes. Just like golf.
Are blackjack, roulette and poker sports?
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| That's why it makes the highlight reel of your local news |
Lots of stuff makes the news. Murders, rapes, feel good stories on kids and petting zoos. Still we dont call murder or petting a llama a sport, now do we?
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| That's why it appears in Sports Illustrated (Tiger Woods is the only 2 time winner of their "Sportman of the Year" Award, let me remind you.) |
Bikini moels make it in sports illustrated too. Why? Money. Is Heidi Klum an athlete? Why is golf in SI? Golf fans buy SI magazines and that makes them $$$. They are nothing but whores for the $$$ and thats why Tiger was chosen.
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| That's why Golf Digest is a popular magazine dedicated to golfers who want to improve their game. |
readers digest is more popular. Whats your point? That golfers want to be better at golf? Photographers want to be better at photography. Im sure there are gardening, housekeeping and miniature model magazines too for enthusiasts of those activities. Still doesnt make golf a sport.
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| That's why there are numerous golf cable t.v. stations (Korea has 3). |
So? There are 70975 channels in existance. They show stuff from sports to weird porn. Having channel doesnt a sport make.
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| That's why there's an American association (PGA), as well as Canadian, European, Asian, Womens, Senior, and Junior Associations. |
There are associations for everything, even things that arent sports. Like golf.
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| Millions of people watch golf as a sport on t.v. |
No. They just think its a sport because they have bought a lie. They watch it really as a game.
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| But more importantly, millions of people play golf. (Heck, even a lot of golfers would rather play it than watch it.) I think this is part of the reason you are confused in thinking that golf is just a game |
We covered that already.
Golf is not a sport. |
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Swiss James
Joined: 26 Nov 2003
Location: Shanghai
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| Posted: Wed Sep 13, 2006 9:40 pm Post subject: |
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Don't you fools have enough of this endless belly-aching when you're boring people in bars?
It just goes round in circles forever. |
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mindmetoo
Joined: 02 Feb 2004
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| Posted: Wed Sep 13, 2006 9:41 pm Post subject: Re: Is Golf a Sport?? |
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Help settle a 17 page arguement.
Is golf a "sport", or is it a - big girly stroll on a lawn stopping every now and then to whack a stationary ball with a stick- "activity"?? |
If archery and shooting are sports... but let's not call darts a sport.
This is one of those classic examples of how hard it is to create AI. I know what a sport is, thank you very much. But don't expect me to define it for a computer. |
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Rteacher
Joined: 23 May 2005
Location: Western MA, USA
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| Posted: Wed Sep 13, 2006 10:12 pm Post subject: |
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I think at the top professional levels of competition golf can be considered a borderline or "gentlemen's" sport. To weekend hacks it's just a game or hobby. The unfortunate thing is all the nice real estate wasted ...
On the positive "sports-entertainment" side, it did provide material for the mystical (?) Legend of Bagger Vance as well as Caddyshack and Happy Gilmore - but Caddyshack 2 sucked ...http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Legend_of_Bagger_Vance |
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flakfizer
Joined: 12 Nov 2004
Location: scaling the Cliffs of Insanity with a frayed rope.
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| Posted: Wed Sep 13, 2006 11:09 pm Post subject: |
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Don't you fools have enough of this endless belly-aching when you're boring people in bars?
It just goes round in circles forever. |
Yeah guys. Stick to interesting topics like favorite ice-cream flavors:
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I had sunflower seed flavour yesterday- it tasted like sunflower seeds.
What's everyone's favourite seed? |
Riveting. |
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Swiss James
Joined: 26 Nov 2003
Location: Shanghai
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| Posted: Wed Sep 13, 2006 11:12 pm Post subject: |
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| Swiss James wrote: |
Don't you fools have enough of this endless belly-aching when you're boring people in bars?
It just goes round in circles forever. |
Yeah guys. Stick to interesting topics like favorite ice-cream flavors:
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I had sunflower seed flavour yesterday- it tasted like sunflower seeds.
What's everyone's favourite seed? |
Riveting. |
I think your irony detector needs new batteries. |
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hogwonguy1979
Joined: 22 Dec 2003
Location: the racoon den
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| Posted: Thu Sep 14, 2006 5:36 am Post subject: |
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I bet those people who think its not a sport have never played it.
It is demanding physically and mentally. Its not about standing there hitting a ball sitting in the grass. To do it well you have to be in decent shape, it involves the whole body (you cant hit the ball very far if you just use your upper body trust me). Anybody see the training regimine Tiger Woods puts in? that guy has abs of steel
When played right (no cart, walking) it can keep you in great shape well into your 70s, my father is 68 years old in great health mainly because he still walks 54 holes/week
mentally its as challenging as anything I do. As Lee Trevino once said "guts is playing a $10 Nassau with $5 in your pocket" Anybody want to stand over a 10 footer that will decide your livelihood?
the truly great thing about it is one day it will make you feel on top of the world and the next day it can humilate you
its a sport no doubt about it |
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