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mindmetoo
Joined: 02 Feb 2004
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 Posted: Thu Sep 14, 2006 10:42 pm Post subject: How soon until there's a fatwa on the Pope? |
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http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060915/ts_nm/religion_pope_islam_dc_2
Oh boy. A few Catholic officials have been kidnapped in the Middle East and always get released VERY quickly. Mostly its just hajjis grabbing anyone white and when they figure out who they have, they release him. I wonder if the Pope's recent comments are going to see an end to this sportsman's relationship Muslim terrorists and the Catholic Church have been enjoying the last few. |
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Boodleheimer
Joined: 10 Mar 2006
Location: working undercover for the Man
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| Posted: Fri Sep 15, 2006 12:27 am Post subject: |
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| i was shocked by what he said. John Paul II was much more tolerant, saying that Jews, Muslims, and Christians all pray to the same God. this new pope is bad news -- i never liked Ratzinger. and i don't want the Vatican blown to shreds. |
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otis
Joined: 02 Jun 2006
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| Posted: Fri Sep 15, 2006 1:18 am Post subject: |
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The Pope is absolutely right.
And trust me. I'm no Papist.
I hope he sticks to his guns. Apologize? For what? Telling the truth? |
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vox
Joined: 13 Feb 2005
Location: Jeollabukdo
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| Posted: Fri Sep 15, 2006 2:24 am Post subject: |
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| i was shocked by what he said. John Paul II was much more tolerant, saying that Jews, Muslims, and Christians all pray to the same God. this new pope is bad news -- i never liked Ratzinger. and i don't want the Vatican blown to shreds. |
I'm very pleased with what the Pope said and I hope that he doesn't let the stupid egotistical rant of Muslim posturers faze him. The pope's statements don't express intolerance to anyone except the illiterate. The emperor he was quoting may not have been religious material, but the points he extracted were relevant.
This should be a sticking point between Muslims who view jihad as personal struggle and Muslims who view jihad as an excuse to murder, not between the east and west.
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Moldy Rutabaga
Joined: 01 Jul 2003
Location: Ansan, Korea
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The Pope has already issued a retraction saying offence was not the intention. From what I can gather, all he said anyway is that religion should not be spread by violence.
Mixed feelings. It opens a kettle of fish he should probably have stayed out of, and sooner or later someone will point out that what Catholics did in Mexico in the 1500s wasn't a whole lot better than what Muslims do today in northern Africa. On the other hand, I wonder what some Muslim leaders use for brains: apologize for calling us a violent religion or we'll kill all of you (again); don't come to Turkey because, well, accidents happen, you know, mon?
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otis
Joined: 02 Jun 2006
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| Posted: Fri Sep 15, 2006 2:47 am Post subject: |
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| Moldy Rutabaga wrote: |
The Pope has already issued a retraction saying offence was not the intention. From what I can gather, all he said anyway is that religion should not be spread by violence.
Mixed feelings. It opens a kettle of fish he should probably have stayed out of, and sooner or later someone will point out that what Catholics did in Mexico in the 1500s wasn't a whole lot better than what Muslims do today in northern Africa. On the other hand, I wonder what some Muslim leaders use for brains: apologize for calling us a violent religion or we'll kill all of you (again); don't come to Turkey because, well, accidents happen, you know, mon?
Ken:> |
Yeah, you've boiled the problem down.
Muslims are still living in the 1500s.
Time to get with it, wouldn't you say? Sure beats waiting for the return of the 5th Imam. |
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vertical loser
Joined: 08 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Fri Sep 15, 2006 6:33 am Post subject: |
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Oh, almost forgot, we live in a liberal society. Can't say nothin' bad about no-one less they get offended. So what the hell if you like blowing up planes and murdering civilians in the name of God? Those poor people got rights you know! The West made �em do it anyway.
You gotta love the West. The day has come folks - right here and now - when we can't even say mass murder in the name of God is just plain wrong. Of course it is OK if the object of hate is white, Christian, male, conservative and middle class. After all, they are privileged, ain't they?
The Pope should have just shut his mouth, initiated self-flagellation, uttered a thousand self-criticisms, and ameliorated himself. He'd be safe then.
BTW, I think Islamic extremism is fine and dandy, just quietly. There's nothin' wrong with it at all. And just for the record, I am not, nor have I ever been white, Christian, conservative, male or middle class. Nor has anyone else in my family or circle of immediate friends. |
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miguel
Joined: 05 Sep 2006
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| Posted: Fri Sep 15, 2006 6:39 am Post subject: |
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have any of you read his remarks? This is the remark he made that has made so many people angry
"He said, I quote, 'Show me just what Muhammad brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached,' "
The quote is from Emperor Manuel II. The pope's point was that religion shouldn't be used to justify violence. This is a good point and the pope does carry a lot of weight, but he could have done that without including a quote that says to many people, (especially semi-literate muslims who will only hear about this by word of mouth and at anti-Catholic rallies) that everything Muhammad brought was evil and inhuman. |
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mindmetoo
Joined: 02 Feb 2004
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| Posted: Fri Sep 15, 2006 7:29 am Post subject: |
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Oh man, you told us you weren't going do this! THIS IS THE GREATEST DAY EVER! |
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thepeel
Joined: 08 Aug 2004
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| Posted: Fri Sep 15, 2006 9:23 am Post subject: |
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| otis wrote: |
| Moldy Rutabaga wrote: |
The Pope has already issued a retraction saying offence was not the intention. From what I can gather, all he said anyway is that religion should not be spread by violence.
Mixed feelings. It opens a kettle of fish he should probably have stayed out of, and sooner or later someone will point out that what Catholics did in Mexico in the 1500s wasn't a whole lot better than what Muslims do today in northern Africa. On the other hand, I wonder what some Muslim leaders use for brains: apologize for calling us a violent religion or we'll kill all of you (again); don't come to Turkey because, well, accidents happen, you know, mon?
Ken:> |
Yeah, you've boiled the problem down.
Muslims are still living in the 1500s.
Time to get with it, wouldn't you say? Sure beats waiting for the return of the 5th Imam. |
Yep. Islam is a violent cult.
Basically the Pope called the brainwashed fools out on their intolerance and violence. They responded to this "lie" by being intolerant and threatening violence while acting quite violent.
Barbarians.
But I see this as a good sign. The more that they act like deluded, arrogant and out of control children, (with their ranting, burning, raving and killing about any little thing) the more quickly that the voters in the West will wake up to the thugs in our midst (and in our countries). Multiculturalism is lie. All cultures aren't equal, indeed, some cultures are better than others. Islam is an inferior worldview to the moderate secularism of Canada/Europe/Australia/USA. No reason to lie about that essential truth.
Soon, soon, out they will go. And they will have themselves, and themselves alone, to blame when they have to live in a country where allah (hakuna matata) and his child molesting "prophet" mohammad rein supreme. A place where women cannot drive or leave the house without a male relative. Where gays are killed -- as official government policy. Where rape is acceptable, and gang-rape too. Where the women who are raped are stoned to death for complaining. Where women are killed for choosing their own mate. And where a man gets 72 children (or women over the age of 6?) to screw when he kills a Jew. Paradise! |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994
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Ummmm....how about a WHOLE lot worse? |
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mithridates
Joined: 03 Mar 2003
Location: President's office, Korean Space Agency
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| Posted: Fri Sep 15, 2006 10:53 am Post subject: |
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| vertical loser wrote: |
Oh, almost forgot, we live in a liberal society. Can't say nothin' bad about no-one less they get offended. So what the hell if you like blowing up planes and murdering civilians in the name of God? Those poor people got rights you know! The West made �em do it anyway.
You gotta love the West. The day has come folks - right here and now - when we can't even say mass murder in the name of God is just plain wrong. Of course it is OK if the object of hate is white, Christian, male, conservative and middle class. After all, they are privileged, ain't they?
The Pope should have just shut his mouth, initiated self-flagellation, uttered a thousand self-criticisms, and ameliorated himself. He'd be safe then.
BTW, I think Islamic extremism is fine and dandy, just quietly. There's nothin' wrong with it at all. And just for the record, I am not, nor have I ever been white, Christian, conservative, male or middle class. Nor has anyone else in my family or circle of immediate friends. |
 How did your whole family and circle of friends manage that? |
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bucheon bum
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Fri Sep 15, 2006 11:25 am Post subject: |
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| BJWD wrote: |
| otis wrote: |
| Moldy Rutabaga wrote: |
The Pope has already issued a retraction saying offence was not the intention. From what I can gather, all he said anyway is that religion should not be spread by violence.
Mixed feelings. It opens a kettle of fish he should probably have stayed out of, and sooner or later someone will point out that what Catholics did in Mexico in the 1500s wasn't a whole lot better than what Muslims do today in northern Africa. On the other hand, I wonder what some Muslim leaders use for brains: apologize for calling us a violent religion or we'll kill all of you (again); don't come to Turkey because, well, accidents happen, you know, mon?
Ken:> |
Yeah, you've boiled the problem down.
Muslims are still living in the 1500s.
Time to get with it, wouldn't you say? Sure beats waiting for the return of the 5th Imam. |
Yep. Islam is a violent cult.
Basically the Pope called the brainwashed fools out on their intolerance and violence. They responded to this "lie" by being intolerant and threatening violence while acting quite violent.
Barbarians.
But I see this as a good sign. The more that they act like deluded, arrogant and out of control children, (with their ranting, burning, raving and killing about any little thing) the more quickly that the voters in the West will wake up to the thugs in our midst (and in our countries). Multiculturalism is lie. All cultures aren't equal, indeed, some cultures are better than others. Islam is an inferior worldview to the moderate secularism of Canada/Europe/Australia/USA. No reason to lie about that essential truth.
Soon, soon, out they will go. And they will have themselves, and themselves alone, to blame when they have to live in a country where allah (hakuna matata) and his child molesting "prophet" mohammad rein supreme. A place where women cannot drive or leave the house without a male relative. Where gays are killed -- as official government policy. Where rape is acceptable, and gang-rape too. Where the women who are raped are stoned to death for complaining. Where women are killed for choosing their own mate. And where a man gets 72 children (or women over the age of 6?) to screw when he kills a Jew. Paradise! |
yeah, crap. if it weren't for islam, this place would be a lot more peaceful.
Of course no Xtians are nuts at all
Yes, Islam is the only violent religion out there these days |
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Novernae
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| Posted: Fri Sep 15, 2006 6:20 pm Post subject: |
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The Pope criticising violence in religion is as hypocritical as Bush criticising another country for an illegal war. 
The Catholic church has never repented for its violence. The Pope, in representing an organisation which has never repented is in no position to criticise others. |
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bignate
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