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Real Reality
Joined: 10 Jan 2003
Location: Seoul
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College Tutors Can Earn 60,000-100,000 Won Per Hour
Considering the extraordinary number of high school graduates with high hopes of going off to college in a foreign country, particularly in the United States, part-time tutors are being offered a handsome 60,000-100,000 won per hour, making those jobs very appealing.... Last summer vacation alone, Jung tutored students for one month and made 15 million won. Kim (22), an Ivy League student, teamed up with three of his fellow colleagues and rented a 60-pyong officetel in Gangnam in order to tutor 10 students everyday for 14 hours. He made approximately 100 million won in two months.
by Yi-Young Cho and Soo-Jung Shin, Donga.com (August 03, 2004)
http://english.donga.com/srv/service.php3?bicode=040000&biid=2004080497078
Star instructors teach thousands, earn millions
This attractive man is lavished with fan clubs and "guesses" he must be earning at least 10 billion won ($10 million) annually. He is not another Korean wave pop star, yet his influence among teenagers may be even greater. Cho Dong-gi, teacher extraordinaire at a hagwon, a private cram school, gives classes to middle and high school students on Korean literature and essay writing in preparation for the national college admissions test. The 39 year-old is one of a handful of "star hagwon teachers," whose annual income is estimated in the billions of won.
by Lee Min-a, JoongAng Daily (January 11, 2006)
http://joongangdaily.joins.com/200601/10/200601102140049509900091009101.html |
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Japchae
Joined: 03 Oct 2003
Location: South Korea
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| Posted: Thu Sep 21, 2006 6:04 pm Post subject: |
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| Milwaukiedave wrote: |
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teaching privates is legal if you're on an f-type or gyopo visa, which most people who teach SAT and other test prep are.
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I've heard Jinju say this over and over again on this board and I very much doubt it is true. I'm on an F visa as well. I'd like to know your source on this statement.
Furthermore, if you teach at a public school, it is a violation of your contract regardless of your visa because you are a public offical. |
Ever since immigration changed the F-visa regualtions last year, those with such a visa have been in a gray area. People who have been here long enough know that immigration officials are inconsistent at the best of times and rarely give you a straight forward answer. However, when I received my F-2 last year the official I talked to specifically said that I could work anywhere except for a bar or nightclub.
I believe the powers that be at immigration haven't yet figured out how to regulate F-visa people and I think it will be a while until they do. They have bigger concerns sorting through possible fradulent F-2 claims resulting from Korean men marrying women from China and SE Asia (a backlog which delayed my application for two months).
Some people on this board have mentioned registering with your local education office to legitimize your private teaching business. Sure, great go for it, but other than removing an imagined fear of the authorities catching up with you I see no reason to do so. After reading RR's articles, it would seem that foreigners doing privates on an F-2/5 are small fry compare these "Star" instructors. |
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Mashimaro
Joined: 31 Jan 2003
Location: location, location
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| Posted: Thu Sep 21, 2006 6:30 pm Post subject: |
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| robot wrote: |
teaching privates is legal if you're on an f-type or gyopo visa, which most people who teach SAT and other test prep are.
i know of some people who have made 90,000-100,000 won/hr,
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How many people like you mentioned who are legally allowed to do privates actually pay tax on those earnings? Very few I'd imagine |
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Milwaukiedave
Joined: 02 Oct 2004
Location: Goseong
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| Posted: Thu Sep 21, 2006 6:45 pm Post subject: |
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| Mashimaro wrote: |
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teaching privates is legal if you're on an f-type or gyopo visa, which most people who teach SAT and other test prep are.
i know of some people who have made 90,000-100,000 won/hr,
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How many people like you mentioned who are legally allowed to do privates actually pay tax on those earnings? Very few I'd imagine |
Mashimaro, good point, but I still doubt those who keep repeating on Dave's ESL that teaching privates are legal. It's complete misinformation.
Yes, F series have a lot of questions regarding what is legal and what is not.
My point is, if you follow the advice of those who keep repeating it and are unwilling to provide proof, then you deserve to get deported. If your in doubt about something, ask immigration directly. The worst thing they'll say is no. |
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Japchae
Joined: 03 Oct 2003
Location: South Korea
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| Posted: Thu Sep 21, 2006 7:46 pm Post subject: |
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"My point is, if you follow the advice of those who keep repeating it and are unwilling to provide proof, then you deserve to get deported. If your in doubt about something, ask immigration directly. The worst thing they'll say is no."
That was kind of my point earlier, immigration isn't sure of the situation either so any answer from them seems inconsequential. I don't know about any of you but have yet to hear about an F-visa holder being deported for teaching privates. That's usually reserved for E-2s.
Considering all of the part time and private positions being offered to F-visa holders on the worknplay site, it would certainly seem that they're legal. |
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komtengi
Joined: 30 Sep 2003
Location: Slummin it up in Haebangchon
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| Posted: Thu Sep 21, 2006 7:50 pm Post subject: |
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150,000 an hour for 2 elementary students to teach conversational english... 4 times a month
have heard of it... |
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jinju
Joined: 22 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Thu Sep 21, 2006 7:53 pm Post subject: |
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| Milwaukiedave wrote: |
| robot wrote: |
teaching privates is legal if you're on an f-type or gyopo visa, which most people who teach SAT and other test prep are.
ROBT. |
I've heard Jinju say this over and over again on this board and I very much doubt it is true. I'm on an F visa as well. I'd like to know your source on this statement.
Furthermore, if you teach at a public school, it is a violation of your contract regardless of your visa because you are a public offical. |
Think of it like this. You are on an F visa. What can they do to you? Im on an F5, theres nothing anyone can do to me. Can they fine me? Sure, but Im still way ahead of the game if they do fine me. The thing is who is going to fine me? Immigration? The second I flash them my F5 I say "Im on an F5, you have no jurisdiction here, run along officer".
If you want to make it all square with the Man then get a license and teach legally.
It is a violation of your contract mo matter where you tach. With an F visa immigration doesnt have a record of where you work so what can they do anyway? |
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jinju
Joined: 22 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Thu Sep 21, 2006 7:56 pm Post subject: |
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| Mashimaro wrote: |
| robot wrote: |
teaching privates is legal if you're on an f-type or gyopo visa, which most people who teach SAT and other test prep are.
i know of some people who have made 90,000-100,000 won/hr,
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How many people like you mentioned who are legally allowed to do privates actually pay tax on those earnings? Very few I'd imagine |
Screw privates. Listen, the real money is in corporate teaching. And when you work for them they deduct taxes from your pay and therefore the taxes are paid. I wouldnt touch a private class because the money there isnt generally as good as at a company..and companies are more stable: less cancellations, they pay even for cancelled classes. |
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Milwaukiedave
Joined: 02 Oct 2004
Location: Goseong
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| Posted: Thu Sep 21, 2006 7:57 pm Post subject: |
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How about not repeating something that you don't know for sure is true?
Again the misinformation network on Dave's strikes again. |
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JZer
Joined: 13 Jan 2005
Location: South Korea
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| Posted: Thu Sep 21, 2006 8:12 pm Post subject: |
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I totally agree here. These self-righteous do-gooders should shut
the hell up and mind there own business. If they want to make some
slimy hagwon owner rich then that is their own stupidity. |
and think about all the Koreans who are working illegally in Canada and the U.S. |
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jinju
Joined: 22 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Thu Sep 21, 2006 8:44 pm Post subject: |
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| Milwaukiedave wrote: |
How about not repeating something that you don't know for sure is true?
Again the misinformation network on Dave's strikes again. |
Heres whats true:
on an F visa immigration has no juridiction over the type of work you do, where you work or how many jobs you hold.
Thats the truth. |
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Tiberious aka Sparkles
Joined: 23 Jan 2003
Location: I'm one cool cat!
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| Posted: Thu Sep 21, 2006 8:56 pm Post subject: |
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| jinju wrote: |
| Milwaukiedave wrote: |
How about not repeating something that you don't know for sure is true?
Again the misinformation network on Dave's strikes again. |
Heres whats true:
on an F visa immigration has no juridiction over the type of work you do, where you work or how many jobs you hold.
Thats the truth. |
Just what, exactly, do you have against apostrophes?
_*_ |
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jinju
Joined: 22 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Thu Sep 21, 2006 9:00 pm Post subject: |
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| Tiberious aka Sparkles wrote: |
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| Milwaukiedave wrote: |
How about not repeating something that you don't know for sure is true?
Again the misinformation network on Dave's strikes again. |
Heres whats true:
on an F visa immigration has no juridiction over the type of work you do, where you work or how many jobs you hold.
Thats the truth. |
Just what, exactly, do you have against apostrophes?
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Im taking a moral stance against apostrophes. They are the Devil's punctuation mark.
Oh damn, I think I sinned. |
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Cohiba
Joined: 01 Feb 2005
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| Posted: Thu Sep 21, 2006 9:03 pm Post subject: Jobs |
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I totally agree here. These self-righteous do-gooders should shut
the hell up and mind there own business. If they want to make some
slimy hagwon owner rich then that is their own stupidity.
and think about all the Koreans who are working illegally in Canada and the U.S. |
I totally couldn't care less about Koreans working illegally in western
countries. More power to them! I ALWAYS tried to avoid paying taxes
when I lived in Canada. I totally disagree with my hard-earned money
going to support some lazy, drug addict welfare bum. Screw them and
and all lefty governments with their hands in my pockets. |
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Milwaukiedave
Joined: 02 Oct 2004
Location: Goseong
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| Posted: Thu Sep 21, 2006 10:44 pm Post subject: |
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| It's true about immigration not having any hand in it. It's still illegal. To keep repeating over and over that it is legal for F series to do privates is wrong. |
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