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ADVICE on responding to Boss's WEIRDNESS
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jaganath69



Joined: 17 Jul 2003

PostPosted: Fri Sep 22, 2006 12:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

gang ah jee wrote:
billybrobby wrote:
As for the guy's behavior, he seems like a typical Korean dude. Not knocking or respecting privacy, expecting you to work all the time, brushing his teeth at midday, asking rude questions, laughing at odd times. It's all normal. It sounds annoying but not disturbing. The changing clothes thing is weird part.

It might not be strange behaviour in a Korean context, except that the privacy issue is related to respect, and from what has been said so far it looks like the boss doesn't have any respect for jessie-b, rather is already looking at her as a chattel. It also points to a lack of cultural sensitivity, and to a serious lack of organisation on the part of the business. I wouldn't say that any of these things are necessarily unusual, but given the choice and chance, I'd spend my year elsewhere.


Correct, he is treating her like a Russian dancer he brought in on an entertainment visa, I would be very wary if it were my daughter in that situation.
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RACETRAITOR



Joined: 24 Oct 2005
Location: Seoul, South Korea

PostPosted: Fri Sep 22, 2006 12:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I haven't heard this for sure yet, but you're female, right? It's absolutely unacceptable according to Korean culture for you to stay with this guy. That makes it creepier.

The main issue here though is your own housing. A few years ago I was working in Suwon and my boss, who I got along with well, decided to recruit a new teacher. A day before she arrived, I asked about her apartment. He told me he had changed his mind and she would be living with his large family, so she could teach and look after his kids around the clock. At a lower salary than I get. After he had already promised her her own apartment. I demanded he get her an apartment, and he had it ready just in time. This was the beginning of a disastrous venture, and he end up hating her because of how much extra money he had to spend on her that she genuinely was entitled to.
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billybrobby



Joined: 09 Dec 2004

PostPosted: Fri Sep 22, 2006 1:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

RACETRAITOR wrote:
I haven't heard this for sure yet, but you're female, right? It's absolutely unacceptable according to Korean culture for you to stay with this guy. That makes it creepier.


It depends on if this is just the brother's house or the brother's family's house. I mean, if the brother is single or not. She says there's signs that a woman lives there. Frankly, I haven't been inside too many single men's apartments, but if they decorate as gay as they dress, I wouldn't be surprised if there was lace and throw pillows all around. Although I've heard after Korean dudes move out from mommy's house it's all soju bottles and ramen packets strewn about the floor.

Anyways, like RT said, the issue is housing and why it's not set up already. I don't think the privacy encroachment is a clear sign of disrespect. Seoulites grow up in small houses as part of tight-knit families. There's not a lot of privacy to go around. The dude probably grew up sleeping on the floor with his brother. But, yeah, it's annoying and not a good sign that the guy knows how to deal with the teacher.
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billybrobby



Joined: 09 Dec 2004

PostPosted: Fri Sep 22, 2006 1:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

On second thought, I guess I'm arguing things theoretically when the OP needs some fast advice. I would say if you're in country, you've got no visa, and you've got cash in pocket, then you're free as a bird and you should use that freedom to look around for the best job.

But, in the future, be aware that these weird situations are going to come up. Welcome to the ROK Smile
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rothkowitz



Joined: 27 Apr 2006

PostPosted: Fri Sep 22, 2006 1:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Koreans are dressed by their mothers and girlfriends,which would explain the lacey stuff.
Doesn't explain why EVERY Korean guy needs to have a shiny grey rayon suit and a pink tie.With a purple shirt.Farks sake...

I don't know if he's really wierd,but he is certainly clueless.He IS treating you like someone he brought in on an entertainment visa.If he doesn't sort it out quicksmart ,split.


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Junior



Joined: 18 Nov 2005
Location: the eye

PostPosted: Fri Sep 22, 2006 1:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Run.

And get a proper job at a public school. Where your privacy and independence will be assured.
What makes it all easier is that you don't even have an E2 yet.

Korean male behaviour is enough to freak out any western woman. They might be harmless, maybe not. Either way, there is no reason to work at an ajosshi's hagwon. As a single woman...take my advice, you can thank me later.
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Son Deureo!



Joined: 30 Apr 2003

PostPosted: Fri Sep 22, 2006 1:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

jessie-b wrote:
I don't have my Visa yet and I have to wait a couple of weeks for my degree (It's being sent here).


OK, this changes things a bit.

So you were going to be working here illegally for at least a few weeks, or more likely a few months. Did you realize this? If so, not smart. You came over here in a desperate situation and your boss is already taking advantage of this.

I take back what I said before about being able to get another job in a week. Without your degree, you can't get a job, at least not legally. This hurts your bargaining position for at least a few weeks.

The upshot is that since you're illegal anyway, you have no special ties to this school. You can leave any time you like, but you're taking a risk of deportation every day you work there (or anywhere else in Korea until you have a visa).

You can take that job and shove it, wait for your degree to arrive, and then look for a new job.

Have you told your boss you won't be spending the night there yet?

I'm not familiar with Jeonju but according to Lonely Planet there are plenty of cheap hotels near the bus terminal.

BTW, where are you accessing the internet, your boss' brother's place?
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The Hierophant



Joined: 13 Sep 2005

PostPosted: Fri Sep 22, 2006 5:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

jessie-b wrote:
I'm in Jeonju City. I don't have my Visa yet and I have to wait a couple of weeks for my degree (It's being sent here).


I'm in Jeonju City myself. If you need any city-specific info just pm me. Also I know a few foreign teachers who have just left/are leaving soon, and their jobs might be available if your current one turns out to be b.s.

I felt kinda vulnerable when I first arrived too. Don't worry, there are people here who can help if you ever need it.
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jessie-b



Joined: 17 Apr 2006

PostPosted: Fri Sep 22, 2006 6:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for the props. I'm out, staying in a hotel, paid for by the boss- at least for a couple of nights. I had to insist over and over again, which was awkward- and I made sure to lug all my stuff out to the street before he arrived so we weren't alone in the apartment again together. That's what made me so uncomfortable in the first place. He did grow up with a lot of siblings so he doesn't have the same space issues that I do- but he also kept saying things like, "You look better than money," and "How old do you think I am?"
I feel a lot better after getting responses from so many people. Thanks again.
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Corporal



Joined: 25 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Fri Sep 22, 2006 8:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

billybrobby wrote:
I haven't been inside too many single men's apartments, but if they decorate as gay as they dress, I wouldn't be surprised if there was lace and throw pillows all around. Although I've heard after Korean dudes move out from mommy's house it's all soju bottles and ramen packets strewn about the floor.


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he seems like a typical Korean dude. Not knocking or respecting privacy, expecting you to work all the time, brushing his teeth at midday, asking rude questions, laughing at odd times. It's all normal.


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I love Korean people



You must mean Korean women. Rolling Eyes
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uberscheisse



Joined: 02 Dec 2003
Location: japan is better than korea.

PostPosted: Fri Sep 22, 2006 9:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

jessie-b - keep in mind that you are here to make money and experience a new culture - not to experience some other dork's idiot-syncracies. someone else's problems are not yours, and at the very least you deserve your own personal space. any other contract worth its salt grants a teacher that.

so - circle the wagons, make sure you say "no, unh-uh, that won't happen" when something off-color occurs and by all means, make some good friends who speak the language in case you get in a situation you can't handle.

this director, as creepy as he sounds, is probably harmless. that said, in korean terms "harmless" also means "deserving of a good beating on bad manners alone".
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jessie-b



Joined: 17 Apr 2006

PostPosted: Fri Sep 22, 2006 4:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yay! My mom said my diploma just arrived at her house- sooner than expected. Now it's just a matter of her sending it somewhere- my apartment when I get one? I had a private, stress free night's sleep in a motel and already have a favorite internet bar-are these MagicPC stations open 24/7? They're so great. I'll almost be sad to get my computer hooked up and not hang out with all the kids playing video games and listening to random pop music.
Again, thanks to everyone for their feedback and support. I don't know what's going to happen next but I feel better knowing that I'm not alone here.
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rawiri



Joined: 01 Jun 2003
Location: Lovely day for a fire drill.

PostPosted: Fri Sep 22, 2006 4:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

[quote="jessie-b"]I had a private, stress free night's sleep in a motel and already have a favorite internet bar-are these MagicPC stations open 24/7? They're so great. I'll almost be sad to get my computer hooked up and not hang out with all the kids playing video games and listening to random pop music.
.[/quote]


Ohhh to be a newby again!
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kermo



Joined: 01 Sep 2004
Location: Eating eggs, with a comb, out of a shoe.

PostPosted: Fri Sep 22, 2006 5:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Right on! Good for you for taking a stand and getting him to pay for it, no less. He might not like it, or understand it, but you stand a much better chance of getting along together if you're not in compromising situations like that (if you choose to work at this place.)

Sounds like he might have a perception of Western women that is slightly wonky, and doesn't realize that his flirting will get him nowhere (and yeah, it does sound like he's flirting.)


To use my own made-up word, he sounds blecherous.
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poet13



Joined: 22 Jan 2006
Location: Just over there....throwing lemons.

PostPosted: Fri Sep 22, 2006 6:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

"this director, as creepy as he sounds, is probably harmless. "

Sure, harmless until he shows up drunk and decides since he bought her, it's ok to tear it up a little.

Good for you for sticking to your guns and getting private accomadations.
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