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dulouz



Joined: 04 Feb 2003
Location: Uranus

PostPosted: Tue Sep 19, 2006 8:13 am    Post subject: I beat them!!! Reply with quote

Cheativity down!!!

Korean students don't cheat, they engage in the collective. I put a virus in the hive. We had word-search-puzzle-day and I gave them all different puzzles! The machine sputtered, yawed, screech and halted!
The sour looks were priceless.
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ajuma



Joined: 18 Feb 2003
Location: Anywere but Seoul!!

PostPosted: Tue Sep 19, 2006 8:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I use "collectivism" to work for my advantage. I tell them that they are ALL teachers!! I WANT them to help each other!

Student A knows W and X. Student B knows Y and Z. Together, they know W, X, Y AND Z!!

If the smart students teach the not-so-smart students, doesn't everyone win????
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Thunndarr



Joined: 30 Sep 2003

PostPosted: Tue Sep 19, 2006 3:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ajuma wrote:
I use "collectivism" to work for my advantage. I tell them that they are ALL teachers!! I WANT them to help each other!

Student A knows W and X. Student B knows Y and Z. Together, they know W, X, Y AND Z!!

If the smart students teach the not-so-smart students, doesn't everyone win????


That's only true if being shown the answer is as beneficial as figuring the answer out on one's own. And if that's the case, why not simply pass out completed worksheets for the students to peruse at their leisure, and do away with actual studying altogether.
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jmbran11



Joined: 19 Jan 2006
Location: U.S.

PostPosted: Tue Sep 19, 2006 7:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ajuma wrote:

If the smart students teach the not-so-smart students, doesn't everyone win????


I used to hate teachers like you in school, expecting me to do their job. Basically, it just means the smart kids do the work for the others and everyone gets the same grade. Of course, now that I'm the teacher, it has its advantages.
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I_Am_Wrong



Joined: 14 Sep 2004
Location: whatever

PostPosted: Tue Sep 19, 2006 7:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

jmbran11 wrote:
ajuma wrote:

If the smart students teach the not-so-smart students, doesn't everyone win????


I used to hate teachers like you in school, expecting me to do their job. Basically, it just means the smart kids do the work for the others and everyone gets the same grade. Of course, now that I'm the teacher, it has its advantages.


but grades aren't the most important thing in education right...
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EFLtrainer



Joined: 04 May 2005

PostPosted: Tue Sep 19, 2006 8:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

How can we have teachers that don't even know the basics of pair/group teaching? Everything rests on how you set it up. You don't "just" let them "help."


Good for you, ajumma. The rest of you, go do some research...

Criminy...
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Boodleheimer



Joined: 10 Mar 2006
Location: working undercover for the Man

PostPosted: Tue Sep 19, 2006 9:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

jmbran11 wrote:
ajuma wrote:

If the smart students teach the not-so-smart students, doesn't everyone win????


I used to hate teachers like you in school, expecting me to do their job. Basically, it just means the smart kids do the work for the others and everyone gets the same grade. Of course, now that I'm the teacher, it has its advantages.


ditto
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Yu_Bum_suk



Joined: 25 Dec 2004

PostPosted: Tue Sep 19, 2006 9:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

EFLtrainer wrote:
How can we have teachers that don't even know the basics of pair/group teaching? Everything rests on how you set it up. You don't "just" let them "help."


Good for you, ajumma. The rest of you, go do some research...

Criminy...


While there's definitely a place for group / pairs work there's also a place for individual thinking. Finding one's own words on a wordsearch and not copying the words one's friends have already circled might be one such place.

Actually, I only do word searches when I want the lower-level kids to have something to do while I go around checking pronunciation in pairs. I give them a puzzle with a crossword on one side (for the brighter kids) and a wordsearch on the other, and if they can't do the crossword they will at least usually start doing the wordsearch themselves and not just wait to copy off a friend's.
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Panic



Joined: 03 Aug 2006
Location: Busan

PostPosted: Tue Sep 19, 2006 10:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If I have a small course book, I get a class of students to make their own word find's and we do 1 at the begnning of each lesson to fired up. I give them a few minutes head start then proceed to finish their puzzles in less than minute. This really annoys them and I use this energy to encourage them and teach them how to make more and more difficult puzzles. If you play your class right, it's great when a student has forgotten to write a word into the puzzle. Then it becomes mission impossible and you can quietly not say anything in order to torture the fastest students.

I easily remained undefeated until one of my clever students decided to make a puzzle using Japanese words written in English. I took the defeat with suitable melodramatic bad grace te he he he.

Panic
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ajuma



Joined: 18 Feb 2003
Location: Anywere but Seoul!!

PostPosted: Thu Sep 21, 2006 5:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

One of the many reasons that it's good for the "smart" kids to help the not-so-smart is that it's very different KNOWING that an answer is correct and explaining the reason to someone else. I do a lot of pair and small group (3-4 students) work. The students have to write a dialogue based on the whatever we're working on. For example, when doing introductions, I put the basic structure on the board:
A, this is my ______ B. B, this is my _________A.

Or

A, THESE ARE my ____________s B and C.
B and C, THIS IS my __________ A.

I have them come up with as many ideas as possible for the __________ such as friend, teacher, mother, boyfriend, roommate....

Then, as a group of 3 or 4, they ALL have to write the dialogue and perform it together. Even the lowest-level students have to participate, even if the only thing they say is "nice to meet you".

Even their exams are done as a group. I give individual AND group grades so the lower-level/lazy student doesn't pull down the grade of the more adept.

I want my students to learn English AND gain confidence. What's the point of humiliating a student?
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Pak Yu Man



Joined: 02 Jun 2005
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 22, 2006 12:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote