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uberscheisse
Joined: 02 Dec 2003
Location: japan is better than korea.
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in the end, potheads are more interesting to talk to than drunks. so if you want a kid with an inspiration to try innovative, new things, go for the pothead teacher.
if you want a kid to get yelled at by some fruit with a hangover, well, choose the drunk.
and otis - your argument "alcohol is legal, pot isn't" is pretty weak. what would you have said if you were typing this during prohibition? |
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endo
Joined: 14 Mar 2004
Location: Seoul...my home
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Otis can you please tell me what you have against people who smoke weed?
I mean I know it's againt the law and such, but what do you personally have against it?
Nobody has been able to give me an acceptable answer as to why marijuana is illegal, when alcohol does much more damage to society as a whole. And even thought alcohol messes up a lot of peoples lives I still think it should be legal, so why can't people affored me the same respect when it comes to smokig herb?
Although i'm obviously biased, i'm still real enough to see the blatent hypocracy in the marijuana laws around the world.
Please man, try to explain to me why the dude over there can sip some vodka, whille I can't smoke some reefer? |
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Tarmangani
Joined: 17 Apr 2006
Location: the Calm
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| Posted: Sat Sep 23, 2006 5:16 am Post subject: |
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I don't drink or use drugs. I never have. But the thought of some Korean official coming to my place of employment and singling me out in front of all the other (many hungover) Korean teachers for the sake of a random drug test on the foreigner, is absolutely offensive..
It's hard to believe that some foreign teachers are actually suggesting that it be done. Drug tests in the United States are done with subtlety and with some concern for our privacy. But somehow I feel that our butt poking, no international ATM card giving, often anti-foreigner hosts would not extend the same due diligence.
Let the schools worry about who they hire, and stop suggesting new ways in which to dcik with us |
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Milwaukiedave
Joined: 02 Oct 2004
Location: Goseong
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| Posted: Sat Sep 23, 2006 5:20 am Post subject: Re: Should ESL teachers be given drug tests? |
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I'm sorry, man.
I'm anti-drug to the core.
I don't think potheads should be around children.
And if teachers are smoking and purchasing drugs in Asia knowing they face prison and deportation...
Well, to my mind, that shows at the very minimum a complete lack of judgment. |
Never bring your children to New Zealand then - I'd hazard a guess that teachers here smoke up at higher than the national average. Anyway, regardless of whether or not pot smokers are dangerous around children, so few teachers in Korea even have access to drugs that drug testing would be a horrendously wasteful enterprise of little benefit.
Rather than worrying about pot, if I were really concerned about the quality of teachers in Korea I'd want to allocate more resources for screening out habitual alcohol abusers. |
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Yes. YES! In these 4 pages, I'm surprised this point hasn't been developed further (it's so self-evidently true I suppose it doesn't need to be).
Boozers in Korea are a big problem. Soju and others are very much like illegal drugs in their effects - a quick, highly intoxicating buzz - and filthy cheap. Admittedly, there've been times when I've been drinking too much and showing up for work with my head f***ed up and in a mess, but I know how horrible it is so avoid it at all costs these days. Smokers too. I don't smoke at work at all, because kids smell it a mile off and Korean kids think smoking is scummy and horrible. I know a teacher who smokes at school in full view of the kids and she's an unpopular teacher. It's hardly rocket surgery my job and really it makes little difference if I've not touched a drop for days or have been out with the boys the previous evening and got smashed and went to bed at 2.30am. But hangovers definitely make you less interested and wish you in bed instead of at work - and that's obviously not great. Yes, I'm not averse to drug tests, since I've nothing to hide (although if they tested me at Incheon Airport entering the country for the first time, and indeed when returning from vacation this month, I'd have been f***ed!). But test for the big drinkers too. Mind you, latter's impossible sadly because going out and getting wasted is socially acceptable here.
Otis - you're the worst kind of hypocrite. You're "anti-drugs to the core" yet are obviously a boozer, a big boozer. Boozers aren't fit to teach either since booze is a drug and affects mood, decreases intellectual capability. Who'd I rather have teaching my kid - an everyday boozer and smoker, or someone who enjoys pot (or even opium) occasionally, like at weekends or something? Latter, any day.
Furthermore - extremely important point this, although I'm biased - generally, the coolest people one meets in life are those who are "experienced" (see Jimi song), whereas the biggest douchbags are those that have never done anything other than booze and yet, although their daily intake of alcohol is enough to get a rhino mashed, condemn those who like to do other stuff than just boring old booze. Actually, the very, very worst scumbags in the whole world, the most outrageously heinous creatures on the planet, are the uptight, sanctimonious, miserable, condescending, health-freak, straightheads! I hate religion as well. I'd have my kids' teachers religion and belief-tested. I'd have a smack-and-crack head teaching my kid before any straighthead, wan_er Christian! |
Actually I agree with you about Otis being a hypocrite, but for a diffrent reason. He stated he likes to smoke a bowl now and then. I guess he thinks you can be anti-drug but still be a pothead.
It's pretty apparent from his rants he's drunk. Maybe we should all chip in and get him a stay at the Betty Ford Clinic for Christmas.
On second thought, that would be too kind. |
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jaganath69
Joined: 17 Jul 2003
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| Posted: Sat Sep 23, 2006 5:58 am Post subject: |
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| I think a more appropriate question would be "should big bill aka otis have a breathylizer installed on his comp that would require him to be sober before posting here and hence disabling his ability to be a drunken troll". |
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Adventurer
Joined: 28 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Sat Sep 23, 2006 8:03 am Post subject: |
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Otis is a troll whose intelligence quotient would cause an encephalitic jar baby to burp with jealousy, but this is a question worth looking at.
I'm 100% anti-drug testing in almost every possible scenario. It's simply an irrelevant factor that has been overblown by media outlets and politicians. The only important thing is how a person acts while they are on the job, and there are a million factors that can influence this--trouble at home, a bad relationship, mental problems, unsuitable personality for the position, good ole irresponsibility and unprofessionalism..
A far better idea would be to do background and credit checks. A credit check will be a far better indicator of responsibility than a drug test ever would be. Also, actually calling the references on the CV would be a smart idea, and perhaps even conducting a real interview instead of just arranging details as to "how soon you can get here".
And, of course, all prospective English teachers should be required to take English tests. I remember before I had my first "interview" with a recruiter, I in my naivity was studying my grammar books to make sure they didn't hit me with a curveball.  |
I don't think a credit check is a proper asssessment of how someone would do on the job. |
Not at all what I said, man.
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| There are plenty of doctors who have poor credit, but they do well on the job. I do good on the job, and I don't have the highest credit rating. I don't need a deposit for getting a cell phone or certain credit cards, but would someone who has stellar credit be a better teacher than me. I disagree. |
 I'm glad we both disagree with your straw man.
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| I think that kind of analysis is a typical narrow Western way of isolating one factor and overgeneralizing. It looks at one symptom of one's person's life and makes so many assumptions. |
Feel better now that you got your anti-Westerner rant off? Because I don't know of any Koreans who generalize based on isolated factors. And I'm glad I isolated credit check as the only factor in my post above. Good grief. |
This is not a Western thing. It is a dumb idea that is very prevalent in the U.S. and to some extent in Canada. It is a dumb idea. It is not an idea that most Americans or Canadians support. It is the corporations. But your analysis kind of reminds me of how some doctors look at symptoms and misdiagnose someone, and I lost a friend because of that. I think you think it is appropriate to judge a person's ability to perform a job by a credit check.
You have a right to that opinion. It is no indication whether someone will be honest, do their job, and put in extra hours, if necessary. Anyway, my response was inappropriate, but I think there is too much in North America of isolating one factor, partially due to corporate influence which leads to distorted hiring practices, such as focusing so much on credit, and distorted scientific reporting. Anyway, I don't want to get off topic. Drugs can affect your brain, your spending habits cannot. Your argument is that if you are irresponsible with your money, you will not perform your job well. On what basis? I suppose, in some cases, if you are responsible with your money, it may mean there is an increased likelihood that you are a responsible, careful person.
If people with poor credit were turned away from jobs, there would be serious unemployment and a major shortage of qualified workers or professionals. Many professionals have poor credit scores including wealthy people.
Calling people on the CV is a better idea. You have a way of seeing how someone performed at the work place. Anyway, I apologize for my rant. |
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Qinella
Joined: 25 Feb 2005
Location: the crib
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| Posted: Sat Sep 23, 2006 9:32 am Post subject: |
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| I think you think it is appropriate to judge a person's ability to perform a job by a credit check. |
I will point out to you for the second consecutive time now that this is not at all what I said. I will repeat my original claim that one's credit rating is an indicator of responsibility. I'm sure there are exceptions, but in general, I think this is true. I look at someone who has absolute crap credit in their home country and is running from tens of thousands in debt, and I think they are not trustworthy. Don't you?
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| Drugs can affect your brain, your spending habits cannot. |
I can't agree with you here. Go on a shopping binge some time, maxing out all your credit cards only to regret it the next day, and tell me how your brain feels. Almost all actions affect our brains.
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| Your argument is that if you are irresponsible with your money, you will not perform your job well. |
No, it's not. I made no argument, and I did not make that claim. |
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Roch
Joined: 24 Apr 2003
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Sat Sep 23, 2006 10:39 am Post subject: |
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I don't drink or use drugs. I never have. But the thought of some Korean official coming to my place of employment and singling me out in front of all the other (many hungover) Korean teachers for the sake of a random drug test on the foreigner, is absolutely offensive..
It's hard to believe that some foreign teachers are actually suggesting that it be done. Drug tests in the United States are done with subtlety and with some concern for our privacy. But somehow I feel that our butt poking, no international ATM card giving, often anti-foreigner hosts would not extend the same due diligence.
Let the schools worry about who they hire, and stop suggesting new ways in which to dcik with us |
This is one of the balliest posts to date on Daves. |
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hogwonguy1979
Joined: 22 Dec 2003
Location: the racoon den
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| Posted: Sat Sep 23, 2006 2:24 pm Post subject: |
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| I think a more appropriate question would be "should big bill aka otis have a breathylizer installed on his comp that would require him to be sober before posting here and hence disabling his ability to be a drunken troll". |
yeah considering this is the only site that lets him post |
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otis
Joined: 02 Jun 2006
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| Posted: Sat Sep 23, 2006 10:47 pm Post subject: Re: Should ESL teachers be given drug tests? |
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| Milwaukiedave wrote: |
| SPINOZA wrote: |
| 강아지 wrote: |
| otis wrote: |
I'm sorry, man.
I'm anti-drug to the core.
I don't think potheads should be around children.
And if teachers are smoking and purchasing drugs in Asia knowing they face prison and deportation...
Well, to my mind, that shows at the very minimum a complete lack of judgment. |
Never bring your children to New Zealand then - I'd hazard a guess that teachers here smoke up at higher than the national average. Anyway, regardless of whether or not pot smokers are dangerous around children, so few teachers in Korea even have access to drugs that drug testing would be a horrendously wasteful enterprise of little benefit.
Rather than worrying about pot, if I were really concerned about the quality of teachers in Korea I'd want to allocate more resources for screening out habitual alcohol abusers. |
(see bold)
Yes. YES! In these 4 pages, I'm surprised this point hasn't been developed further (it's so self-evidently true I suppose it doesn't need to be).
Boozers in Korea are a big problem. Soju and others are very much like illegal drugs in their effects - a quick, highly intoxicating buzz - and filthy cheap. Admittedly, there've been times when I've been drinking too much and showing up for work with my head f***ed up and in a mess, but I know how horrible it is so avoid it at all costs these days. Smokers too. I don't smoke at work at all, because kids smell it a mile off and Korean kids think smoking is scummy and horrible. I know a teacher who smokes at school in full view of the kids and she's an unpopular teacher. It's hardly rocket surgery my job and really it makes little difference if I've not touched a drop for days or have been out with the boys the previous evening and got smashed and went to bed at 2.30am. But hangovers definitely make you less interested and wish you in bed instead of at work - and that's obviously not great. Yes, I'm not averse to drug tests, since I've nothing to hide (although if they tested me at Incheon Airport entering the country for the first time, and indeed when returning from vacation this month, I'd have been f***ed!). But test for the big drinkers too. Mind you, latter's impossible sadly because going out and getting wasted is socially acceptable here.
Otis - you're the worst kind of hypocrite. You're "anti-drugs to the core" yet are obviously a boozer, a big boozer. Boozers aren't fit to teach either since booze is a drug and affects mood, decreases intellectual capability. Who'd I rather have teaching my kid - an everyday boozer and smoker, or someone who enjoys pot (or even opium) occasionally, like at weekends or something? Latter, any day.
Furthermore - extremely important point this, although I'm biased - generally, the coolest people one meets in life are those who are "experienced" (see Jimi song), whereas the biggest douchbags are those that have never done anything other than booze and yet, although their daily intake of alcohol is enough to get a rhino mashed, condemn those who like to do other stuff than just boring old booze. Actually, the very, very worst scumbags in the whole world, the most outrageously heinous creatures on the planet, are the uptight, sanctimonious, miserable, condescending, health-freak, straightheads! I hate religion as well. I'd have my kids' teachers religion and belief-tested. I'd have a smack-and-crack head teaching my kid before any straighthead, wan_er Christian! |
Actually I agree with you about Otis being a hypocrite, but for a diffrent reason. He stated he likes to smoke a bowl now and then. I guess he thinks you can be anti-drug but still be a pothead.
It's pretty apparent from his rants he's drunk. Maybe we should all chip in and get him a stay at the Betty Ford Clinic for Christmas.
On second thought, that would be too kind. |
Listen, man. I don't smoke dope. That's the truth. |
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otis
Joined: 02 Jun 2006
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| Posted: Sat Sep 23, 2006 10:50 pm Post subject: |
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| hogwonguy1979 wrote: |
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| I think a more appropriate question would be "should big bill aka otis have a breathylizer installed on his comp that would require him to be sober before posting here and hence disabling his ability to be a drunken troll". |
yeah considering this is the only site that lets him post |
Listen, Rocky Racoon--aka Rudyflyer, former Dave's mod, former eslslaves mod, for expatinkorea mod--you have an axe to grind.
Don't come here with your socks and start acting stupid.
It doesn't become you. Well, perhaps it does become you. Still, that's no excuse.
You sucked up to the mods here back in the day. You sucked up to me. You sucked up to PK.
By golly, I guess that makes you...a suck up. |
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otis
Joined: 02 Jun 2006
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| Posted: Sat Sep 23, 2006 10:56 pm Post subject: |
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By the way, Rocky Racoon is about the gayest username I've ever heard of.
Now go back to your humble abode and start smoking your crack. |
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endo
Joined: 14 Mar 2004
Location: Seoul...my home
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| Posted: Sun Sep 24, 2006 12:12 am Post subject: |
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| R U going 2 answer my question Otis? |
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otis
Joined: 02 Jun 2006
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| Posted: Sun Sep 24, 2006 12:16 am Post subject: |
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| R U going 2 answer my question Otis? |
The truth?
Drugs are destroying Western society.
It's that simple. |
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uberscheisse
Joined: 02 Dec 2003
Location: japan is better than korea.
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| Posted: Sun Sep 24, 2006 12:19 am Post subject: |
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| jaganath69 wrote: |
| I think a more appropriate question would be "should big bill aka otis have a breathylizer installed on his comp that would require him to be sober before posting here and hence disabling his ability to be a drunken troll". |
how about an IQ test? |
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