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R. S. Refugee
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 Posted: Fri Sep 22, 2006 4:37 pm Post subject: Chavez calls Bush, "the Devil," but I disagree. |
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In his speech at the UN that zany leader from down south kept calling Bush the Devil, but I disagree.
The Devil is proported to be very intelligent albeit with a very warped sense of values.
Bush only meets one of those two criteria.
�Devil� in the Details:
Chavez, Limbaugh and Hypocrisy over Name-Calling
by Jeff Cohen
http://www.commondreams.org/views06/0922-35.htm |
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ddeubel
Joined: 20 Jul 2005
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| Posted: Fri Sep 22, 2006 8:09 pm Post subject: |
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Talking about people who throw stones in glass houses....
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| Nor, for that matter, is Team Bush -- whose strategy has been to demonize and intimidate critics and other members of the �reality-based community.� |
Perhaps that is why Bush is so quiet about Chavez -- me thinks, he'd lose in a dog fight, debate, who did what to/for whom........best for him to brush him off, avoid.........
So much for reality.
Thanks, good article on the hypocricy -- but I will mention it is on both sides.....we need more calling a dog a dog and the devil the devil......MY God! never would have thought I'd have a sympathetic ear for McCain but by golly, he atleast says some decent and sane things....in comparison to all the fruit cakes in American politics.
DD |
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Beej
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| Posted: Fri Sep 22, 2006 9:03 pm Post subject: |
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Rush Limbaugh is an entertainer. Hugo Chavez is a leader of a nation.
I guess I would expect a sense of decorum from a world leader. |
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R. S. Refugee
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| Posted: Fri Sep 22, 2006 9:50 pm Post subject: |
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| Beej wrote: |
Rush Limbaugh is an entertainer. Hugo Chavez is a leader of a nation.
I guess I would expect a sense of decorum from a world leader. |
So, do you consider Goebbels to have been just an "entertainer" as he lambasted and ridiculed his government's enemies day in and day out?
I realize, of course, that Goebbels had an official government position, while Limbaugh only does some of his government's dirty work for them while making a fortune for his "entertainment" services.
So, do you call the daily character assassinations of critics of the state by Limbaugh "entertainment?"
To each their own definition. Many ancient Romans thought it entertaining to watch Christians (and other enemies of the state) killed and eaten by lions or slaughtered in other "amusing" ways. |
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dbee
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| Posted: Sat Sep 23, 2006 12:37 am Post subject: |
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The bush regime ( part I and part II ) practically have a patent on dirty politics at this stage.
Give 'em hell Chavez  |
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Beej
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| Posted: Sat Sep 23, 2006 12:48 am Post subject: |
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| Thats right. Go get em Chavez. Dont worry about the 60% of your country that lives well below the poverty line. |
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R. S. Refugee
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| Posted: Sat Sep 23, 2006 4:01 am Post subject: |
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| Beej wrote: |
| Thats right. Go get em Chavez. Dont worry about the 60% of your country that lives well below the poverty line. |
So, does this mean you believe in government intervention to ease the burdens of the poor and to help them to get out of poverty?
I'm guessing then, that probably like most of the Hurricane Katrina victims you didn't vote for Bush or support his policies of neglect, right?
Regarding the poor of Venezuela, they certainly are a large proportion of the population, but were even larger before Chavez. I doubt they would keep electing him by such large majorities in internationally recognized fair elections (wish we had those) if they weren't seeing their conditions improve, do you? |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
Joined: 25 May 2003
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| Posted: Sat Sep 23, 2006 9:25 pm Post subject: |
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R. S. Refugee wrote
| dbee wrote: |
The bush regime ( part I and part II ) practically have a patent on dirty politics at this stage.
Give 'em hell Chavez |
I guess in that is a go FARC cheer. |
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thepeel
Joined: 08 Aug 2004
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| Posted: Sat Sep 23, 2006 9:35 pm Post subject: |
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| R. S. Refugee wrote: |
| Beej wrote: |
| Thats right. Go get em Chavez. Dont worry about the 60% of your country that lives well below the poverty line. |
So, does this mean you believe in government intervention to ease the burdens of the poor and to help them to get out of poverty?
I'm guessing then, that probably like most of the Hurricane Katrina victims you didn't vote for Bush or support his policies of neglect, right?
Regarding the poor of Venezuela, they certainly are a large proportion of the population, but were even larger before Chavez. I doubt they would keep electing him by such large majorities in internationally recognized fair elections (wish we had those) if they weren't seeing their conditions improve, do you? |
Yes, oil cash should go into the pockets of the citizens and be kept out of the hands of chavez and his thugs. His is a nation that he has forgotten, because he enjoys the attention he gets when giving the oil away for political reasons.
He is the darling of the left. That says much more about the left than it does him.
Chavez, if not kicked out by his own people, is going to start a mini coldwar in Latin America. He is the worst thing to happen to that poor region since the spanish screwed it up. |
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R. S. Refugee
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| Posted: Sat Sep 23, 2006 9:44 pm Post subject: |
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...Yes, oil cash should go into the pockets of the citizens and be kept out of the hands of chavez and his thugs. ... |
So, do you also believe that oil cash here in the US should go into the pockets of our citizens and be kept out of the hands of Exxon-Mobil and their thugs? I'm with ya there, bro.  
"Exxon is giving Lee Raymond one of the most generous retirement packages in history, nearly $400 million, including pension, stock options and other perks, such as a $1 million consulting deal, two years of home security, personal security, a car and driver, and use of a corporate jet for professional purposes.
Last November, when he was still chairman of Exxon, Raymond told Congress that gas prices were high because of global supply and demand.
"We're all in this together, everywhere in the world," he testified."
http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/story?id=1841989
I'd say ole Ray has a pretty huge global demand of his own, and by the looks of him is gettin' a might oversupplied if you know what I mean. It can't be good for your health to be that much of a porker no matter how rich you are, Ray. |
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R. S. Refugee
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| Posted: Sat Sep 23, 2006 10:31 pm Post subject: |
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| Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee wrote: |
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Well, sure I did. But you're quoting me out of context there, old chap. |
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thepeel
Joined: 08 Aug 2004
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| Posted: Sat Sep 23, 2006 10:51 pm Post subject: |
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Royalties, not profits, should go to the citizen.
Profits are the risk-reward for the investment and delay on consumption that individual investors, via a firm, attempt to gain for engaging on economic activity. Economic activity that creates wealth, jobs and products that benefit society as a whole.
Royalties are the taxes that the states places on resources that the firm uses to make profits.
But most all nations do not tax oil firms enough, or gas enough and usually give generous forms of 'corporate welfare' to these firms.
Welfare which is nothing more than stealing from the poor to give to the rich.
By the by, for years I have been advocating for income taxes and such to be tossed aside in lieu of 'pollution taxes' and other similar fines on activity that we don't want. Why tax what is good (economic activity) and not tax what is bad (market failures such as pollution) as per our present situation?
And for years I have been told it is a "stupid" idea and such. Al Gore now supports it.
http://www.axcessnews.com/modules/wfsection/article.php?articleid=11278 |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Sat Sep 23, 2006 10:58 pm Post subject: Re: Chavez calls Bush, "the Devil," but I disagree |
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| R. S. Refugee wrote: |
In his speech at the UN that zany leader from down south kept calling Bush the Devil, but I disagree.
The Devil is proported to be very intelligent albeit with a very warped sense of values.
Bush only meets one of those two criteria.
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I agree. Bush does not have a "warped sense of values". |
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Privateer
Joined: 31 Aug 2005
Location: Easy Street.
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| Posted: Sun Sep 24, 2006 4:33 am Post subject: |
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| Beej wrote: |
Rush Limbaugh is an entertainer. Hugo Chavez is a leader of a nation.
I guess I would expect a sense of decorum from a world leader. |
I guess you wouldn't expect foreign ministers to be strip-searched either, but I bet the Bush team are having a good chuckle over that behind closed doors. |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Sun Sep 24, 2006 4:36 am Post subject: |
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| R. S. Refugee wrote: |
| Beej wrote: |
| Thats right. Go get em Chavez. Dont worry about the 60% of your country that lives well below the poverty line. |
So, does this mean you believe in government intervention to ease the burdens of the poor and to help them to get out of poverty?
I'm guessing then, that probably like most of the Hurricane Katrina victims you didn't vote for Bush or support his policies of neglect, right?
Regarding the poor of Venezuela, they certainly are a large proportion of the population, but were even larger before Chavez. I doubt they would keep electing him by such large majorities in internationally recognized fair elections (wish we had those) if they weren't seeing their conditions improve, do you? |
You do realize why many of us believe the Far Left is morally bankrupt, right? |
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