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Moldy Rutabaga

Joined: 01 Jul 2003
Location: Ansan, Korea

Posted: Mon Sep 25, 2006 5:56 pm Post subject:

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Canada does have generally a pro-woman bias in legislation

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What laws are these?

Primarily, employment (specialized quotas and government hiring programs for women), university (affirmative quotas and programs), and marriage laws (alimony and child support and child access). I am not arguing that such initiatives are totally wrong, only that they exist. But I do think the perception of these laws can be damaging-- I have several male friends in Canada who tell me only a fool gets married if he's a man, for he will be left with nothing if the marriage sours, and he has no hope of obtaining custody of children.

But I'm no authority on this and I won't say more on it. I do not write in order to bash women, as they have borne much more of the brunt of a materialistic society which commodifies sex. I only again wonder if it's a media fashion or a continuing trend. There's an obvious limit to it, right?-- once celebrities walk around naked, where can they go from there? Maybe I don't want to know--

Ken:>

red dog

Joined: 31 Oct 2004

Posted: Mon Sep 25, 2006 6:05 pm Post subject:

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I have several male friends in Canada who tell me only a fool gets married if he's a man, for he will be left with nothing if the marriage sours, and he has no hope of obtaining custody of children.

Well, I'm (definitely) no authority on these matters either, but do the laws specifically favour women in divorce cases or just attempt to give a better deal to the poorer spouse (who by coincidence is usually the woman)? I'd be very surprised if the law actually stated that a mother is automatically entitled to custody of the child as long as she wants it ... how often do men actually seek full custody?

flotsam

Joined: 28 Mar 2006

Posted: Mon Sep 25, 2006 6:13 pm Post subject:

jinglejangle wrote:

red dog wrote:

Where are the mods? Rolling Eyes

What do we need mods for? So far everyone's disagreeing politely.

Some people want mod control every time they see a post they disagree with.

red dog

Joined: 31 Oct 2004

Posted: Mon Sep 25, 2006 6:30 pm Post subject:

flotsam wrote:

jinglejangle wrote:

red dog wrote:

Where are the mods? Rolling Eyes

What do we need mods for? So far everyone's disagreeing politely.

Some people want mod control every time they see a post they disagree with.

Not exactly ... has anyone read the TOS lately?

flotsam

Joined: 28 Mar 2006

Posted: Mon Sep 25, 2006 6:39 pm Post subject:

red dog wrote:

flotsam wrote:

jinglejangle wrote:

red dog wrote:

Where are the mods? Rolling Eyes

What do we need mods for? So far everyone's disagreeing politely.

Some people want mod control every time they see a post they disagree with.

Not exactly ... has anyone read the TOS lately?

Does TOS refer to the forum guidelines? As in terms of service?

1. Which one do you find being breached here?
2. How many threads breach the TOS every single day?
3. Have you never breached the TOS? Hmmmmm...?

red dog

Joined: 31 Oct 2004

Posted: Mon Sep 25, 2006 6:56 pm Post subject:

That's right. TOS = terms of service Mods please take note.

flotsam

Joined: 28 Mar 2006

Posted: Mon Sep 25, 2006 7:04 pm Post subject:

red dog wrote:

That's right.

TOS = terms of service

Mods please take note.

Care to answer the questions?

Moldy Rutabaga

Joined: 01 Jul 2003
Location: Ansan, Korea

Posted: Mon Sep 25, 2006 8:52 pm Post subject:

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I'd be very surprised if the law actually stated that a mother is automatically entitled to custody of the child as long as she wants it ... how often do men actually seek full custody?

Not to my knowledge, no-- it is likely simply customary that the woman is assumed to be the natural parent and the ex-husband would have to prove the mother's unfitness. I expect that most disputes would be about fathers with visitation rights being denied them, either by the courts or by mothers undermining visitation agreements. I've known of men who retailiated by cutting support payments, but confiscation of bank accounts or refusal to renew drivers' licenses, etc., does happen, at least in Alberta.

I don't understand why we're discussing mods here-- there's been no abuse or excessive vulgarity.

Ken:>

JongnoGuru

Joined: 25 May 2004
Location: peeing on your doorstep

Posted: Mon Sep 25, 2006 9:30 pm Post subject:

Moldy Rutabaga wrote:

I don't understand why we're discussing mods here-- there's been no abuse or excessive vulgarity.

Ken:>

To me, the excessive vulgarity is in the popular culture as illustrated in the second post of this thread. I share the OP's sentiments on the whole matter. "Born in the wrong decade" -- that I can relate to. Sometimes "wrong century" might be more accurate. The thread title is blunt, crude and in-yer-face, but not nearly so much as the phenonemon it refers to. However, "now that women have the reins" is unhelpful because it sidetracks from the issue, and it's a misleading overstatement which BillyB already responded to.

I'm not against people wearing or doing what they want within the boundary of the law and minimum standards of good taste. I'm also aware that taste is very subjective, and that in an open, pluralistic and increasingly fractured society like the West, I'd be foolish to insist or expect that my own personal standards & taste will rule the day. I'm just a bit irked by the sleazy ones that currently seem to.

Big_Bird

Joined: 31 Jan 2003
Location: Sometimes here sometimes there...

Posted: Mon Sep 25, 2006 9:53 pm Post subject:

JongnoGuru wrote:

Moldy Rutabaga wrote:

I don't understand why we're discussing mods here-- there's been no abuse or excessive vulgarity.

Ken:>

Good post Jongno - some very good points there.

I have to agree that I'm not too impressed with the sleazyness I'm constantly exposed to now that I'm back living in the West. It seems to have deteriorated remarkably in just a few years. I turned on the telly recently just to see two silly people with their pants down having their arses tattooed on national TV for a few dollars. What's that? Entertainment apparently. I'm now the mother of a small child, and I dread the crap that he's going to be deluged with in a few years. Bring back good taste!

periwinkle

Joined: 08 Feb 2003

Posted: Mon Sep 25, 2006 10:00 pm Post subject:

flotsam wrote:

red dog wrote:

flotsam wrote:

jinglejangle wrote:

red dog wrote:

Where are the mods? Rolling Eyes

What do we need mods for? So far everyone's disagreeing politely.

Some people want mod control every time they see a post they disagree with.

Not exactly ... has anyone read the TOS lately?

I figured it was the Christina Aguilera photo~

I don't understand the Lindsay Lohan thing. Can someone explain the attraction to me? As to the Op's post, I don't get it, other than the fact that sex sells. I read about a Russian woman whose only exposure to what American women were like was through "Sex and the City" and pop stars like Britney Spears. She thought American women were all like Carrie. No wonder western women are viewed as slutty by the rest if the world. I reallly wonder about some parents back home. If I have a girl, I'm not letting her run around showing her thong (actually, I won't even let her buy a thong), showing off her belly, wearing wicked tight hip huggers or super tight t-shirts. My parents wouldn't let me dress like that- there were a couple of times when I was told to change my clothes before going out.

periwinkle

Joined: 08 Feb 2003

Posted: Mon Sep 25, 2006 10:07 pm Post subject:

djsmnc wrote:

You mean like this?

Does Christina remind anyone of Elvira, from the Bud Light (?) ads? They're both scary~

red dog

Joined: 31 Oct 2004

Posted: Mon Sep 25, 2006 11:18 pm Post subject:

JG and BB made good points. However, the OP was definitely born in the right decade.

jinju

Joined: 22 Jan 2006

Posted: Mon Sep 25, 2006 11:20 pm Post subject:

periwinkle wrote:

djsmnc wrote:

You mean like this?

Does Christina remind anyone of Elvira, from the Bud Light (?) ads? They're both scary~

Are they both scary? In a sexy way.

red dog

Joined: 31 Oct 2004

Posted: Mon Sep 25, 2006 11:36 pm Post subject:

Moldy Rutabaga, as far as I know there's no gender discrimination written into the law in child support cases ... it just seems that way because women are more often the custodial parents and usually make less money. Mothers without custody are subject to the same punishments as fathers if they default on child support payments, but this is a less common situation. I think a lot of what you find discriminatory is the result of women more often being responsible for child care and being the primary caregivers to their children. If you have evidence of real discrimination I'd like to know about it.

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