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Thunndarr
Joined: 30 Sep 2003
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| Gotta love how people on here complain about Korea not being up to the West's standards and yet even suggesting that Korea implement a law that is similar to the West, brings on outrage. |
Being against drug testing has nothing to do with liking or disliking Korea. You do realize that there is actual outrage about the idea of drug testing in the United States, don't you? |
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Thunndarr
Joined: 30 Sep 2003
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| Posted: Mon Sep 25, 2006 8:49 pm Post subject: |
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So are you against drug testing in North America as well?
I simply don't see what people are complaining about when for a number of jobs back in the West you would get drug tested as well. |
How does it work there? Otis in his OP said that teachers in the U.S. are tested for drug use. I know there are many ESL teachers in Korea and on Dave's who used to teach in North America, but I've yet to see any of them write something like "Yay, Korea! Phew!! No more wee-wee tests!!" Is that because:
a. Drug-testing teachers in North America was only very recently enforced, so the teachers here wouldn't have been subject to it when they taught back home?
b. Enforcement varies from state to state, province to province, and it just so happens that most ESL teachers in Korea came from non-testing states or provinces?
c. I'm just mistaken and really there aren't many ESL teachers on Dave's who used to be teachers back home?
d. Otis was joking? |
And the answer is C. |
Wrong. I'll take A or B.
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CBC weighs drug testing of teachers and staff
By David Hunn
ST. LOUIS POST-DISPATCH
09/17/2006
TOWN AND COUNTRY
One of St. Louis' largest Catholic boys schools is considering mandatory drug-testing for its teachers, board members and staff, a plan that could become the first in the area and one of just a few in the country. |
Read the rest here |
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Milwaukiedave
Joined: 02 Oct 2004
Location: Goseong
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| Posted: Mon Sep 25, 2006 9:00 pm Post subject: |
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| I actually have a few friends that have smoked pot in their country (they are Canadian) and said they would never do it here because of the threat of deportation. So I think it's a fair assumption that is true. |
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Doogie
Joined: 19 Jan 2006
Location: Hwaseong City
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| Posted: Mon Sep 25, 2006 9:11 pm Post subject: |
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| Alcohol isn't against the law. You can't screen out people for doing something legal--for the most part. |
True, but alcoholism is socially pathological behaviour. I'm not sure if I'd be happy about having an alcoholic teach my children. Of course, in Korea the definition of alcoholic is pretty high up the scale, so most high functionals wouldn't have much to worry about. |
I'd go so far as to say that it's almost a bonus to be a drinker in Korea (although not a drunk). They consider you "one of the gang" when you go out and drink copious amounts of soju with them. Most of the Korean teachers I teach with will have a bottle of soju in the evening. By Korean standards that's probably not considered heavy drinking. |
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otis
Joined: 02 Jun 2006
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| Posted: Mon Sep 25, 2006 10:51 pm Post subject: |
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| Thunndarr wrote: |
| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
| JongnoGuru wrote: |
| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
So are you against drug testing in North America as well?
I simply don't see what people are complaining about when for a number of jobs back in the West you would get drug tested as well. |
How does it work there? Otis in his OP said that teachers in the U.S. are tested for drug use. I know there are many ESL teachers in Korea and on Dave's who used to teach in North America, but I've yet to see any of them write something like "Yay, Korea! Phew!! No more wee-wee tests!!" Is that because:
a. Drug-testing teachers in North America was only very recently enforced, so the teachers here wouldn't have been subject to it when they taught back home?
b. Enforcement varies from state to state, province to province, and it just so happens that most ESL teachers in Korea came from non-testing states or provinces?
c. I'm just mistaken and really there aren't many ESL teachers on Dave's who used to be teachers back home?
d. Otis was joking? |
And the answer is C. |
Wrong. I'll take A or B.
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CBC weighs drug testing of teachers and staff
By David Hunn
ST. LOUIS POST-DISPATCH
09/17/2006
TOWN AND COUNTRY
One of St. Louis' largest Catholic boys schools is considering mandatory drug-testing for its teachers, board members and staff, a plan that could become the first in the area and one of just a few in the country. |
Read the rest here |
I don't think most of the teachers in Korea were teachers back home. That's why Korea needs some standards. |
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stevieg4ever
Joined: 11 Feb 2006
Location: London, England
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| Posted: Tue Sep 26, 2006 2:12 am Post subject: |
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Surely anyone who indulges in drugs (from having a habit to recreational use) wouldn't think twice about not coming to Korea as drugs are hard to come by (as I understand it). What would be the likelihood of those types residing in any place where drugs are difficult to get hold of??
Surely there are other problems that are more worthy of 9 pages of daves esl chat then drug use? |
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re:cursive
Joined: 04 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Tue Sep 26, 2006 3:06 am Post subject: |
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Surely anyone who indulges in drugs (from having a habit to recreational use) wouldn't think twice about not coming to Korea as drugs are hard to come by (as I understand it). What would be the likelihood of those types residing in any place where drugs are difficult to get hold of??
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Why? You seem to be making the assumption that anyone who uses drugs absolutely needs to?...as if a drug supply is the number one priority in deciding where they go and what they do. Maybe for an addict, but recreational users?
There are plenty of things I could do, get and consume back home with relative ease that I can't easily do here in Korea. Sure I had to weigh those things up when deciding to come here or not but it certainly didn't stop me.
As an answer to you last question, I'd say there is a very high likelihood of "those types of people" residing anywhere. I'd seriously consider living on a space colony for a while given the chance and I'm pretty sure there's a lack of most luxuries there. |
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Adventurer
Joined: 28 Jan 2006
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Okay, so you stated that a low credit score is an indication of irresponsibility, but you object to employers checking if someone is taking drugs, while most consider taking drugs to be worse than having a poor credit score? That doesn't really make sense, with all due respect. There are many health risks involved with cocaine use.
I am not saying some people don't perform okay with cocaine, but I would think it is quite irresponsible in dangerous in so many cases. I did work with a cocaine addict. He eventually lost weight, disappeared in Mexico for a while after not showing up to work. I have seen a long-term user of drugs being quite incoherent. I don't take drugs, and I do not object to the testing. I have nothing to hide. I can understand that marijuana or cannibis which is less harmful than cocaine or, perhaps, alcohol and is consumed by many mainstream Canadians and Brits without fear of the police might be defended. However, hard drugs would affect so many people on the job. If you have any literature to back up the reverse, I am more than willing to see it. I did read that alcohol in, some ways, is worse than cannibis if you go driving. One shouldn't do it after consuming either, of course.
Have you guys ever seen those Korean dudes with vests who drive you home if you're wasted? |
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Roch
Joined: 24 Apr 2003
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Tue Sep 26, 2006 8:47 am Post subject: |
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| otis wrote: |
| Thunndarr wrote: |
| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
| JongnoGuru wrote: |
| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
So are you against drug testing in North America as well?
I simply don't see what people are complaining about when for a number of jobs back in the West you would get drug tested as well. |
How does it work there? Otis in his OP said that teachers in the U.S. are tested for drug use. I know there are many ESL teachers in Korea and on Dave's who used to teach in North America, but I've yet to see any of them write something like "Yay, Korea! Phew!! No more wee-wee tests!!" Is that because:
a. Drug-testing teachers in North America was only very recently enforced, so the teachers here wouldn't have been subject to it when they taught back home?
b. Enforcement varies from state to state, province to province, and it just so happens that most ESL teachers in Korea came from non-testing states or provinces?
c. I'm just mistaken and really there aren't many ESL teachers on Dave's who used to be teachers back home?
d. Otis was joking? |
And the answer is C. |
Wrong. I'll take A or B.
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CBC weighs drug testing of teachers and staff
By David Hunn
ST. LOUIS POST-DISPATCH
09/17/2006
TOWN AND COUNTRY
One of St. Louis' largest Catholic boys schools is considering mandatory drug-testing for its teachers, board members and staff, a plan that could become the first in the area and one of just a few in the country. |
Read the rest here |
I don't think most of the teachers in Korea were teachers back home. That's why Korea needs some standards. |
You must be punished!
We are the Gods of this nation, Otis, and one must not forget it, eh.
Carry on. |
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Qinella
Joined: 25 Feb 2005
Location: the crib
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| Posted: Tue Sep 26, 2006 10:31 am Post subject: |
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| Okay, so you stated that a low credit score is an indication of irresponsibility, but you object to employers checking if someone is taking drugs, while most consider taking drugs to be worse than having a poor credit score? That doesn't really make sense, with all due respect. There are many health risks involved with cocaine use. |
Sure, but cocaine is out of your system in like 48 hours. The one that nails people is mary jane, which is completely harmless. But you're right that it would indicate a level of irresponsibility since, by merit of its illegality, you are taking a risk with your freedom to get high. That is irresponsible.. Got me thar, varmint!
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| Have you guys ever seen those Korean dudes with vests who drive you home if you're wasted? |
Taxi drivers? |
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Qinella
Joined: 25 Feb 2005
Location: the crib
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| Posted: Tue Sep 26, 2006 10:51 am Post subject: |
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(a) You also mentioned exceptions. So why do you think teachers or anyone who works with children should not be drug tested?
(b) I don't know if I'd agree with your assumption that "most of us who did drugs back home wouldn't do them here." See (d) But fair enough.
(c) Sometimes one gets exasperated when pointing out something that appears to be obvious thus the use of the truism.
(d) It was a serious observation. People on here have complained about Korea not being like the West in legal terms. For example see the thread on car seats or any thread about violated contracts. Yet a mere observation that Korea should implement a law similar to the U.S brings on massive outrage including flames. Look at the names otis was called. I hardly see this as "patting myself on the back". I'm giving an opinion. |
a - Well, the exceptions I have in mind are jobs where, if a person happens to use before showing up to work, people's lives are at stake. This means surgeons, pilots, bus drivers.. Given the federal propaganda mills that churn out misinformation, I wouldn't blame you to think that drugs are likely to turn a person into a raving sociopath. However, without saying anything too incriminating, I'll point out that this is hardly the case. If a person has a violent nature and is unstable around children, this should be apparent without needing to test for drugs.
b - Why wouldn't you agree with that? It would take a lot of motivation, connections, and risk find any drugs here. We're talking about potheads, mostly. How many potheads do you know who are that motivated? Really.. they're too concerned scouting for Funyons and blueberry slurpees. Also, I think most people who come here know that drugs are practically an impossibility. Look how many people in this thread have said they gave up drugs when they moved here. You seem to be basing your opinion on bias and misinformation.
d - Since you wrote that in a reply to me, I assumed it was directed at me. To characterize my responses as outrage or even complaint would be laughably inappropriate, so I wasn't sure what to think.. |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired
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| Posted: Wed Sep 27, 2006 7:59 pm Post subject: |
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| Gotta love how people on here complain about Korea not being up to the West's standards and yet even suggesting that Korea implement a law that is similar to the West, brings on outrage. |
Being against drug testing has nothing to do with liking or disliking Korea. ? |
Sure. But bashing Korea for not up to being to the West's standards and then bashing Korea for applying a law that IS Western (at least in the U.S) seems to me to be contradictory. |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired
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| Posted: Wed Sep 27, 2006 8:01 pm Post subject: |
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| Thunndarr wrote: |
| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
| JongnoGuru wrote: |
| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
So are you against drug testing in North America as well?
I simply don't see what people are complaining about when for a number of jobs back in the West you would get drug tested as well. |
How does it work there? Otis in his OP said that teachers in the U.S. are tested for drug use. I know there are many ESL teachers in Korea and on Dave's who used to teach in North America, but I've yet to see any of them write something like "Yay, Korea! Phew!! No more wee-wee tests!!" Is that because:
a. Drug-testing teachers in North America was only very recently enforced, so the teachers here wouldn't have been subject to it when they taught back home?
b. Enforcement varies from state to state, province to province, and it just so happens that most ESL teachers in Korea came from non-testing states or provinces?
c. I'm just mistaken and really there aren't many ESL teachers on Dave's who used to be teachers back home?
d. Otis was joking? |
And the answer is C. |
Wrong. I'll take A or B.
| Quote: |
CBC weighs drug testing of teachers and staff
By David Hunn
ST. LOUIS POST-DISPATCH
09/17/2006
TOWN AND COUNTRY
One of St. Louis' largest Catholic boys schools is considering mandatory drug-testing for its teachers, board members and staff, a plan that could become the first in the area and one of just a few in the country. |
Read the rest here |
A and B may be applicable. But so is C as the majority of ESL teachers here on this forum (which was what Mr. Guru asked) were not teachers back home. Simply look for threads where what people did back home was discussed and you will see this to be true. |
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dogshed
Joined: 28 Apr 2006
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| Posted: Thu Oct 05, 2006 5:03 am Post subject: |
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| There are worse things than random drugs testing. But being required to piss in a cup in front of a uniformed stranger (and they'd better witness the sampling, or potheads will smuggle in drug-free wee-wee) sounds degrading. I would prefer polygraphs, and expand the investigation beyond simply drugs. I mean which is worse, a teacher whose smoked dope or one that believes Dokdo isn't rightfully Korea's? |
One of my jobs gave me a saliva test. It was a sponge on a stick in my mouth and then drip the saliva on a thing that looks like a pregnancy test. -Jeff |
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bowery4
Joined: 02 Jul 2005
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| Posted: Sat Oct 07, 2006 8:54 am Post subject: a lot has been said here |
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but really, I am just happy that you fools aren't being noticed by the Koreans  yet.
Drugs, booze posting, uncontrolably on a internet board. It is all the same.
Should you be around children if you have bad credit or smoke (anything) or partake in being a booze hound? What if you're really fat? Can't control you food addiction? Or worse, you are a bad speller, sure sign of stupidity.
Yeah well, that's what people are...... and some of those people have something to teach children, and are good at it. What would be worse, is if the parents are any of these things, one would think. Should we check their credit and give them drug tests too?(' ')
I can see checking for convictions for child abuse or worse, but seriously these are mostly not public schools (or giant corparations) we are talking about here.
To the girl who thinks bad credit is a good reason not to hire someone because that makes them irresposable. Tell it to Donald Trump, your fired.
To Otis, man, you are one of the most closed minded, dimwitted weenises, I have seen on this board.
Oh, and your stupid website sucks.
I think most of you are not really teachers either (even if you do have a piece of paper that says you are), you just play one at the baby sitting job you "teach" at.
Face it most of us are here to speak to kids in English so they can soak it up, that is all. If we were really teaching we would make them question things around them. Like why are Mom and Dad paying 300,000 a month to send me to this extra 2 hours of "school" everyday. 
Well, that is my little rant.
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