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MollyBloom
Joined: 21 Jul 2006
Location: James Joyce's pants
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 Posted: Tue Sep 26, 2006 10:36 pm Post subject: anyone heard of YES Youngdo school? |
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| is it on any lists? has anyone worked there? any info would be appreciated. |
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ttompatz
Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea
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| Posted: Tue Sep 26, 2006 10:57 pm Post subject: Re: anyone heard of YES Youngdo school? |
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| MollyBloom wrote: |
| is it on any lists? has anyone worked there? any info would be appreciated. |
Many of them are on the gray/black lists.
It is a large company with a lot of franchised branches.
Pay is usually lower than the industry standard.
If you look in the contract sticky you will see a couple of their contracts pulled apart. http://www.eslcafe.com/forums/korea/viewtopic.php?t=59265
Check, check, check with MORE than ONE of the current staff about conditions at that particular branch.
ASK SPECIFICALLY - and get good answers about:
+PAY, overtime (do they pay it or avoid it with creative book keeping).
+CLASSES - how many per day / week / month. How long is a class and +WHAT IS A CLASS HOUR. A contract that says 120 class hours can have you doing up to 180 x 40 minute classes (7200 contact minutes) per month for the same money as someone doing 120 x 50 minute classes (6000 contact minutes per month).
+Do they really pay into the pension and national medical?
+Do they do taxes properly or just flat rate you at 3.3 or 5% (illegal but often done - money is usually not remitted to the tax man)
+What is the housing like and what do they pay for? Your free apartment can cost you up to 150k or more won per month (not really free).
Will they PREPAY a 1 year open airticket ticket? Don't settle for less.
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MollyBloom
Joined: 21 Jul 2006
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| Posted: Wed Sep 27, 2006 8:26 pm Post subject: |
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| how do you know all of this...did you work there? |
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ttompatz
Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea
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| Posted: Wed Sep 27, 2006 8:46 pm Post subject: |
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| MollyBloom wrote: |
| how do you know all of this...did you work there? |
I don't work.
I never work.
I spend all day giving bad advice to newbies and committing acts of slander and liable against reputable companies because I am bored and have nothing better to do.
I never said anything bad about that particular school or franchise. I just said you should check first hand BEFORE you sign a year of your life away into hakwon hell.
http://www.eslteachersboard.com/cgi-bin/forum/index.pl?noframes;read=8320
Alternatively you can look above here to where it says "
FAQ, Search, Memberlist" and click "search"
In the box, but in "YES and Youngdo"
Read some of the 45 matches that come out.
Better yet, you should sign the contract as FAST as you can before you miss out on that golden opportunity. High quality jobs like that are hard to find and get taken very, very quickly.
3 months from now you can come back and ask for advice about "pulling a runner". You will have certainly had a good education from the "school of hard knocks" by then.
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MollyBloom
Joined: 21 Jul 2006
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| Posted: Wed Sep 27, 2006 8:57 pm Post subject: |
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haha.
First of all, I never accused you of saying anything about about the school, so just relax on attacking people who need help. It seems you got a little defensive for no reason.
Second of all, with that attitude, you didn't even come close to helping me at all with what I specifically asked for. All you did was complain and try to embarass someone who is new at this.
Please try your tactics on someone else. |
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ttompatz
Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea
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| Posted: Wed Sep 27, 2006 9:08 pm Post subject: |
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| MollyBloom wrote: |
haha.
First of all, I never accused you of saying anything about about the school, so just relax on attacking people who need help. It seems you got a little defensive for no reason.
Second of all, with that attitude, you didn't even come close to helping me at all with what I specifically asked for. All you did was complain and try to embarass someone who is new at this.
Please try your tactics on someone else. |
Actually, I did answer your question AND provided links for you AND the search criteria for you to do it yourself (as compared to my posting 45 MORE links here).
You've been too long at grad school and not enough time in the real world. Time to get the knot out of your nose before you trip on it.
AND BTW... why would anyone with post grad work (at Harvard? no less) want to do a year in hakwon hell with one of the chains? Get a uni position or at least a government sponsored job where you don't have to worry about 99% of those issues.
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MollyBloom
Joined: 21 Jul 2006
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| Posted: Wed Sep 27, 2006 9:21 pm Post subject: |
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Listen, please don't post to anything of mine if you are going to try to argue, knock-down, or make invalid anything I write about.
I signed up here to get help, and your negative hostility doesn't aid me.
By the way, to redirect the immature and ignorant idea that you know something about me because I go to Harvard: the "real world" at grad school involves teaching "real students," and getting paid for it. I have a year to think, research, and develop my thesis proposal, and travelling during that sabbatical sounds good to me.
Thank you. |
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MollyBloom
Joined: 21 Jul 2006
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| Posted: Wed Sep 27, 2006 9:27 pm Post subject: |
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I'm sorry. I didn't answer your question.
I am asking about this school because I have to narrow down the offers from schools I have interviewed with. It's last minute decision-making. I'm weird: I like crunch time, so being pressured in a week to make a choice makes me feel I will truly choose the right one.
I'd rather work at a university, but I want a higher salary than what these certain places offer. |
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Yu_Bum_suk
Joined: 25 Dec 2004
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| Posted: Wed Sep 27, 2006 9:32 pm Post subject: |
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Have you tried entering the school's name in this site's search engine?
As for your idea of using a year at a hogwan as some time off, it might not be a bad idea, but you'll really want to find out just how much free time you'll have. Some hogwan teachers have heaps of free time, and others are slaves. If things don't work out you can always bail.
Have you asked the hogwan if you can speak (or better yet, email) some of the other foreigners working there?
BTW, ttompatz's info and advice was spot on. You don't need to have owned a Pinto to know they're problematic cars and should be checked out thoroughly before purchase. |
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Smee
Joined: 24 Dec 2004
Location: Jeollanam-do
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| Posted: Wed Sep 27, 2006 9:35 pm Post subject: |
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| Stay in Canada. |
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MollyBloom
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| Posted: Wed Sep 27, 2006 9:50 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks for your advice.
I've done research, checked them out, talked to people. But I do respect people on this board and some advice they give, so I'd like to see what this community thinks. I'm not scared of turning down all the offers; I have no rush to leave the US and I am not considering taking the first offer. To be honest with you, I am looking for a very high salary, and if I am looking at a school that doesn't make me work a lot or hard, but there is no opportunity for overtime or a good salary, I might not take it. I am really coming here to make money, so I don't mind working as much as I can. I love the Korean culture, the people, and the food. I think teaching Korean kindy wouldn't be as bad as teaching/tutoring bratty, wealthy, spoiled rotten kids in Cambridge. I can deal with a finger in my bum, but not with some of the crazy requests the parents of the students have.
Anyway, I have an open mind and heart, and I don't want pressure to have to sit in the bowels of the Widener library for a year when I could be traveling. |
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MollyBloom
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| Posted: Wed Sep 27, 2006 9:52 pm Post subject: |
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| If I was going anywhere up near Canada, I'd probably redirect to Nova Scotia or even better, Alaska. I want to go to the National Parks. |
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Yu_Bum_suk
Joined: 25 Dec 2004
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| Posted: Wed Sep 27, 2006 10:04 pm Post subject: |
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| MollyBloom wrote: |
Thanks for your advice.
I've done research, checked them out, talked to people. But I do respect people on this board and some advice they give, so I'd like to see what this community thinks. I'm not scared of turning down all the offers; I have no rush to leave the US and I am not considering taking the first offer. To be honest with you, I am looking for a very high salary, and if I am looking at a school that doesn't make me work a lot or hard, but there is no opportunity for overtime or a good salary, I might not take it. I am really coming here to make money, so I don't mind working as much as I can. I love the Korean culture, the people, and the food. I think teaching Korean kindy wouldn't be as bad as teaching/tutoring bratty, wealthy, spoiled rotten kids in Cambridge. I can deal with a finger in my bum, but not with some of the crazy requests the parents of the students have.
Anyway, I have an open mind and heart, and I don't want pressure to have to sit in the bowels of the Widener library for a year when I could be traveling. |
If you want to make lots of money here the way to do it is to get a job with lots of free time and do safe privates illegally. Working overtime for a hogwan doesn't pay terribly well and employees are frequently short-changed on OT. If you can clarify what ages you wish to teach and what hours you wish to work it would be easier for people to offer suggestions.
Just a word of warning, however - spoiled, rich, Korean kindy kids with picky parents can be just as awful as any American equivalents you could find. |
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MollyBloom
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| Posted: Wed Sep 27, 2006 10:16 pm Post subject: |
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| Yeah...I guess you are right. |
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MollyBloom
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| Posted: Wed Sep 27, 2006 10:22 pm Post subject: |
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I don't know what age I want to teach to Koreans because I have never taught them before. From my experience, European kids, teenagers, and especially adults are great. I am sure there are lots of Europeans that are difficult as well. But I have had a wonderful time teaching ESL to them. I have heard that teaching Korean kidsis horrible, but also teenagers and adults too.
I'm certified, have experience. I want to work 4-6 hours a day, get paid 2.5-2.8, good vacation, a 2 bedroom apt, no weekends/splits. Oh, my love is coming too, and we are not married. He has same cred. and wants the same things as me, except he has his Masters degree.
All wishful thinking, but it sounds like I can manipulate a contract that I want if i come in contact with good school. I don't even mind working 8 hours a day if I am getting paid good money and overtime.
Like I said, I am just taking time after all my interviews to think all of it over before I hear/don't hear from the schools again. |
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