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Zyzyfer
Joined: 29 Jan 2003
Location: who, what, where, when, why, how?
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| Damned if ya do, damned if ya don't. |
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JeJuJitsu
Joined: 11 Sep 2005
Location: McDonald's
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| Posted: Thu Sep 28, 2006 7:35 pm Post subject: |
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Ha. You make assumptions. Bleach? Soap? Where do you live exactly? |
I know, it's hard to believe that the don;t just have a magician conjure up clingwrap, bleach and soap and that they actually have to produce these in chemical plants that produce toxic waste (which they dump into the Han or the sea). |
Another factor: How many people eat directly from the delivery container? Most people I know will put their food on a plate. And they will then clean the plate. Thus the reduction of soap and water pollution isn't a valid argument.
For the record, I'm not saying that the dish delivery / pickup method is more environmentally friendly than the disposable containers. But you have to look at a lot more than just the scooters for your answer. |
Ok then. But every single guy I know eats right out of the delivery containers, you have to admit that. Thats the beauty of it.
But I don't think people realize how dirty the 2- stroke engines are.
http://www.engr.colostate.edu/comm/news/index.cfm?fuseaction=con.main&cat=8&id=117
Throughout Asia, two-stroke vehicles create the pollution equivalent of 2 billion to 5 billion Honda Accords.
http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlerender.fcgi?artid=1247506
Because two-stroke engines burn an oil�gasoline mixture, they emit more smoke, carbon monoxide, hydrocarbons, and particulate matter than the gas-only four-stroke engines found in newer motorcycles. |
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Qinella
Joined: 25 Feb 2005
Location: the crib
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| Posted: Thu Sep 28, 2006 7:40 pm Post subject: |
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| Anyway, the Korean delivery guys like making those second and third trips to fetch your dirty dishes. Korean people are just kind like that. |
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eamo
Joined: 08 Mar 2003
Location: Shepherd's Bush, 1964.
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| Posted: Thu Sep 28, 2006 7:52 pm Post subject: |
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| Anyway, the Korean delivery guys like making those second and third trips to fetch your dirty dishes. Korean people are just kind like that. |
It's just one of those things that used to be done here so will continue to be done here. Just tradition.
Interestingly, they will bring you crap like ja-jang-myun in a real bowl but real food like a complete Bo-sam meal will come in disposable containers. Ours is not to reason why.......
But, point taken about cutting down on the amount of moped trips made. That could only be a good thing. Hate those sidewalk buzzing feckers. |
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pocketfluff
Joined: 30 May 2006
Location: Washington, DC (school) and Los Angeles, CA (home)
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| Posted: Thu Sep 28, 2006 9:52 pm Post subject: |
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I think it's praiseworthy that Korean delivery places use plates instead of disposable containers. Korea's not like America, where there are vast amounts of land to make landfills out of.
Last time I visited Korea, residents had to pack their trash in marked plastic bags, which were allocated sparingly. Different needs for different countries.
It's good to practice conservationism, anyway. Do some research or talk to someone who really knows the hard facts; reusable items are much more environmentally friendly/energy-efficient than disposable items. |
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JongnoGuru
Joined: 25 May 2004
Location: peeing on your doorstep
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| Posted: Thu Sep 28, 2006 10:08 pm Post subject: |
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| Cook your own food and help save the planet. |
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SuperHero
Joined: 10 Dec 2003
Location: Superhero Hideout
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| Posted: Thu Sep 28, 2006 10:40 pm Post subject: |
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| I like the dishes. Besides the delivery guys don't make a return trip for every trip out. I know at my apartment complex they often wait until there's several houses worth of dishes to pick up. I've seen them balancing about a dozen plates/bowls in the elevator, drop them on the scooter and then go back to the building to get more. |
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Guri Guy
Joined: 07 Sep 2003
Location: Bamboo Island
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| Posted: Fri Sep 29, 2006 2:38 am Post subject: |
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| Jejujitsu, I think you've had enough, bro. Leave this country. Seriously. Walk away from the computer, get on the bus, and take the first plane out of here. Ah, ah, ah! No excuses! Just go. |
Typical apologist garbage. Maybe if you thought about the issue at hand, you'd realize that he is more than likely right. I remember they did a study on whether disposable diapers (which could biodegrade) were better for the environment than cloth reusable ones. The disposable ones turned out to be be better for the environment. Changed my way of thinking.
I don't see it as a bashing Korea issue. I see it as a common sense issue. |
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gang ah jee
Joined: 14 Jan 2003
Location: city of paper
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| Posted: Fri Sep 29, 2006 2:41 am Post subject: |
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| JeJuJitsu wrote: |
| But I don't think people realize how dirty the 2- stroke engines are. |
Where are the delivery guys using 2-strokes? Those Honda Cub knockoff U-frames they ride are 4-stroke bikes aren't they? |
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huffdaddy
Joined: 25 Nov 2005
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| Posted: Fri Sep 29, 2006 2:49 am Post subject: |
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| I remember they did a study on whether disposable diapers (which could biodegrade) were better for the environment than cloth reusable ones. The disposable ones turned out to be be better for the environment. Changed my way of thinking. |
cite? There are so many subjective externalities that I would take any such study with a massive grain of salt. Not saying it's definitely wrong. But there are lot of judgement calls that could change that outcome. And just maybe the study was funded by Pampers.  |
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captain kirk
Joined: 29 Jan 2003
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If they were two strokes they'd be driving UP the apartment stairs not just on the sidewalk.
4stroke Honda Cub copies. On a tv show, 'world's greatest motorcycle', the Honda Cub was number one because it's everywhere, just like these copies in Korea. They dropped one off an eight story building and it still started and wanted to run, except the wheels were all bent.... |
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JeJuJitsu
Joined: 11 Sep 2005
Location: McDonald's
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| Posted: Fri Sep 29, 2006 3:33 am Post subject: |
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| gang ah jee wrote: |
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| But I don't think people realize how dirty the 2- stroke engines are. |
Where are the delivery guys using 2-strokes? Those Honda Cub knockoff U-frames they ride are 4-stroke bikes aren't they? |
Yeah, right. They have to downshift when they load the food box on 'em.
http://www.perc.ca/waste-line/articles/diaper.html (and there are dozens of loinks if you google this subject...
The pro-cloth view is that the production of disposable diapers consumes an inordinate amount of resources and energy.
Pro-disposable diaper advocates tell a different story. Production of cloth diapers uses more energy, they say, and contributes to the load on sanitary sewer systems and potential water pollution.
Who's right?
Various studies on the environmental effects of reusable and disposable diapers paint a complex picture. Most agree that reusable diapers require more water and generate more waterborne wastes through the laundering process. And home laundering uses more energy than commercial laundering.
The downside of disposables? It takes more raw materials to make them, and they are the third largest source of solid waste. Although some diapers are touted as biodegradable, the lack of oxygen in landfills means disposable diapers can take a long time to break down.
Judging the relative environmental impact of each method, then, means deciding to what extent solid waste is a more important problem than water use and wastewater disposal. |
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huffdaddy
Joined: 25 Nov 2005
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| I remember they did a study on whether disposable diapers (which could biodegrade) were better for the environment than cloth reusable ones. The disposable ones turned out to be be better for the environment. Changed my way of thinking. |
cite? |
To answer my own question:
http://www.ilea.org/lcas/franklin1992.html
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| With current information, when determining the best diaper through an energy analysis, disposable diapers are preferred. However they produce substantially more solid waste. Cloth diapers produce half as much solid waste but use more water volume and produce more waterborne waste. Evaluating the best diaper depends on local conditions. If in a drought, it's best to use disposable diapers. If the area has landfill problems, it's best to use commercially laundered cloth diapers. If there are air pollution problems, resort to disposable diapers. The best diaper ultimately depends on the community's situation. |
In short, they call it a push. Using a commercial laundry service is better than home laundry, as is air drying cloth diapers versus machine dry (naturally). The study does not seem to quantify externalities. Instead they just hedge it by saying it "depends on the comunity's situation." |
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Homer
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| Posted: Fri Sep 29, 2006 4:38 am Post subject: |
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Jistu,
They usually do not come to a building with just one delivery.
They make multi-order trips.
They then pick up the dishes when they do other deliveries in the area.....
I think that the extra gas is better than all the disposible dishes that would be used up.
I think the re-usable dishes is a good idea as is using scooters (more economical than cars like back home). |
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JeJuJitsu
Joined: 11 Sep 2005
Location: McDonald's
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| Posted: Fri Sep 29, 2006 4:42 am Post subject: |
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Jistu,
They usually do not come to a building with just one delivery.
They make multi-order trips.
They then pick up the dishes when they do other deliveries in the area.....
I think that the extra gas is better than all the disposible dishes that would be used up.
I think the re-usable dishes is a good idea as is using scooters (more economical than cars like back home). |
Did you see that quote--the scooters in Asia alone put out the equivilent pollution of 2 to 5 BILLION Honda Accords. Food for thought anyway. |
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